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1. 02:46 AM - Re: DOTHs Christmas Period (Duncan McFadyean)
2. 03:35 AM - Re: ICAO Designations (Duncan McFadyean)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: ICAO Designations (Fergus Kyle)
4. 11:34 AM - Re: FWF Options (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
5. 05:31 PM - Plywood between W18 plates in wing (Andrew Sarangan)
6. 07:17 PM - Re: Plywood between W18 plates in wing (SteveD)
7. 07:48 PM - Re: FWF Options (Fred R. Klein)
8. 08:46 PM - Re: FWF Options (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: DOTHs Christmas Period |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Yes, but not before 29/12/04.
Duncan.
do not archive
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From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: DOTHs Christmas Period
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
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> Anyone want to come out to play this week?
> William
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ICAO Designations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
EUPA frequently doesn't work/is unrecognised on some flight planning
systems, especially in France it seems. Might as well keep trying though!
Duncan McF.
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From: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: ICAO Designations
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> EUPA.
> Echo Uniform Papa Alpha ?
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: ICAO Designations
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees"
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> Firstly, I'd like to wish everyone a Happy Christmas and hope everyone
> has a great new year. I'd also like to thank everyone for the help
> they've given me since we acquired Hotel India in September after far
> too little research!
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> I have a nice easy question for the list for a change - what is the ICAO
> code for the Europa (ie what code do I put on a flight plan?)
>
> Peter
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| Subject: | Re: ICAO Designations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ICAO Designations
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
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| EUPA frequently doesn't work/is unrecognised on some flight planning
| systems, especially in France it seems. Might as well keep trying though!
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| Duncan McF.
...........which evokes the opinion that France is coveting the EUPA for
some secret agenda item in future. It's EUPA, France! Conform!
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good morning Fred,
Am I correct in my reading on this option is 75 lbs heavier that the Rotax?
Doesn't this penalty negate any baggage carrying? However, I would be
interested in what the final cost of an install like this would save people that
are
looking at the Rotax.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Plywood between W18 plates in wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
The manual calls for a piece of plywood between the outer two W18
plates. It says the plywood should be aligned with the front of the W18
plates. I am not clear about this. Should the plywood overlap the
sides of the W18 plates, or should it overlap the leading edge of the
W18 plates? My gut feeling is that it should overlap the sides of the
plates, but I could be wrong. The diagram might illustrate what I mean.
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Plywood overlapping Plywood overlapping
the sides of the W18 leading edge of the
plates W18 plates
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| Subject: | RE: Plywood between W18 plates in wing |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Andrew,
Does this help, you can see the holes in the W18 plates on the one side.
Also cruse through the Gallery http://www.europaowners.org/Gallery with over 4000 builders photos there's just about a picture of everything, including were to install a parrot or chiwawa. : )
Steved
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hey Mike,
I can give you some short answers, but would prefer to hear from Neil
Varcoe; when I get comments on these issues from him, I'll pass them on.
You ask,
> Am I correct in my reading on this option is 75 lbs heavier that the Rotax?
Alex and Neil say their CAM 125 weighs 231 lbs.; I don't know the weight of
the 912S or the 914.
> Doesn't this penalty negate any baggage carrying?
Alex's ship is approved for 1500 lb gross weight.
> I would be interested in what the final cost of an install like this would
> save people that are looking at the Rotax.
Though the CAM 125 still retails for US$11,250.00, Firewall Forward Aero
Engines, Alex Bowman, and Neil Varcoe have incurred significant development
costs which, if possible, they would like to recoup if a short "run" of
Europa installations are produced. Our present effort to get a group
together to move ahead is the result of some prodding by Tony Renshaw after
my postings some months ago. A price for a CAM 125 fwf package is not known
at this time. Alex and Neil have said before that they recognise that the
price would have to be comparable to the Rotax. My hunch is that the
comparatively low price of the CAM 125 engine will be offset by the
relatively high cost for the mods, special FG moldings and hardware.
Personally, I'm attracted more to the prospect of optimal performance and
trouble-free operation than I am to the possibility of significant cost
savings over the Rotax.
At this time I have a list of six builders who have expressed an interest in
this endeavor; I spoke w/ Bob Masters of FWF today, and he's heard from two
more, so I'm optomistic that if the economics work, we'll be going ahead.
BTW, what's your situation vis a vis powerplant?
Fred
on 12/27/04 11:29 AM, DuaneFamly@aol.com at DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
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> Good morning Fred,
>
> Am I correct in my reading on this option is 75 lbs heavier that the Rotax?
> Doesn't this penalty negate any baggage carrying? However, I would be
> interested in what the final cost of an install like this would save people
> that are
> looking at the Rotax.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
> that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Fred,
As the tagalong on my signature, I am getting the last little details taken
care of in order to put the top of the canoe on. I keep going through the
emails about things to do and reread the manual and I am still finding little
things.
As for power plant, right now I am looking towards the 912S. I am not one to
reinvent the wheel and take a pioneering risk of a new design unless I am
getting a significant break on power, range, or cost. My wife even talked me
into a conventional gear so she would not be afraid of my landings in a mono.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding a bunch of little things to
do before that.
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