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1. 12:37 AM - Re: DOTHs Christmas Period (William Mills)
2. 03:07 AM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Duncan McFadyean)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: FWF Options (Paul McAllister)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Cliff Shaw)
5. 08:38 AM - In-line skate wheels (Erich Trombley)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: FWF Options (Fred R. Klein)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: FWF Options (Fred R. Klein)
8. 11:58 AM - Re: FWF Options (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: FWF Options (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
10. 01:35 PM - Re: FWF Options (Fred R. Klein)
11. 05:52 PM - Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? (Andrew Sarangan)
12. 06:06 PM - Re: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
13. 06:59 PM - Re: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? (Timothy.P.Ward)
14. 08:12 PM - Re: FWF Options (Fergus Kyle)
15. 08:15 PM - Re: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? (Steve Hagar)
16. 09:35 PM - Cleaning steel before paint? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
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| Subject: | Re: DOTHs Christmas Period |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Just sent you an email re airhood, but it didn't register in the "out box",
so please let me know if you didn't receive it.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTHs Christmas Period
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Yes, but not before 29/12/04.
>
> Duncan.
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: DOTHs Christmas Period
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> >
> > Anyone want to come out to play this week?
> > William
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Cliff,
Did you ever get the numbers? i.e. the speed improvement with the wheel
pants.
Rgds.,
Duncan McFadyean.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> I don't have the numbers, but the wheel pants sure do make a difference. I
> will post some number next week when I do some tests with and with out
them.
> (weather permitting) The weather is doing its usual thing up here in the
> Pacific Northwest. Rain !!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > We have the XS mono wheel with a 914. After installing the speed
fairings
> we picked
> > up 2 or 3 knots at best.
> >
> > I thank that maby the tri -gear may show more improvement than the
> mono-wheel
> >
> > What about it, tri gear owners??????????
> >
> > Jim Brown
> > N398JB
> >
> > Alan Stewart wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
> <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I tried to measure the cruise speed improvement in my 912 Classic
> > > monowheel as accurately as possible, after fitting of the outrigger
and
> > > tail wheel fairings.
> > >
> > > I made several runs on a triangular course, at different power
settings,
> > > and worked out TAS by trigonometry. My measured speed improvement was
> > > certainly less than 5 knots.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Has anyone made any before and after easements on what the speed
> > > fairings add to the top speed on the XS Mono's ?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Paul
> > >
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Fred,
I am just curious, has Alex published any fuel flow numbers yet?
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FWF Options
> I've made several postings regarding the installation of the Honda
> VTEC-based CAM 125, one of which is now flying. Alex Bowman's C-GGNY;
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| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Duncan and All
Sorry. Not yet. I have been working on the main gear fairing. Want them to
fit better to the steel landing gear legs. The work is done now, so it is
time to make a test flight with no fairing. Then install the fairings and
wheel pants. The weather is not very reliable here in the Seattle aria, so
making another test flight might be delayed for a while.
These thing seem to take longer than first planned. I will get to it.
Thanks for asking.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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| Subject: | In-line skate wheels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
The question was raised regarding in-line skate wheels. I have switched over to
the 100 mm in-line wheels earlier this year. They seems to work as well as
the Colson wheels I had been using prior, however, as you can imagine the in-line
wheels are much lighter. I plan on staying with the in-line wheel at this
time. Additionally, I made new slimmer wheel mounting brackets which attach
the wheel to the nylon leg. I would suggest purchasing good quality sealed bearing
for the wheels.
Erich Trombley
N28ET 914 Classic Mono
200+ hours
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Paul,
Alex and Neil Varcoe, his engineer, have published the following:
PERFORMANCE DATA - Europa XS Mono w/ CAM 125 & AP3222
(Note: w/ 1 pilot and 3/4 fuel; OAT/AP unknown, however, I believe data was
taken during summer months in Pacific NW, perhaps 70-75 deg. F)
Climb @ sea level: 2000 ft/min @ 100 mph w/ fulll throttle
Climb @ 2000 ft. altitude: 1650 ft/min @ 100 mph - MAP 28", 5600 rpm
Cruise @ 3000 ft. altitude:
RPM MAP IAS (mph) Fuel Flow (US gal/hr)
4.600 16" 125 3.0
4,600 18" 132 3.6
4,600 20" 145 4.3
4,600 22" 160 5.1
4,600 24" 174 5.8
4,600 26" 185 6.6
My personal thoughts on the above data:
First, bear in mind that the source of this data is not from a couple of
hotshots eager to hype a product and set the world on fire...a common
occurance in the home-built universe.
Second, after face to face conversations, telephone calls, and numerous
email communications w/ Alex and Neil, I've come to believe that their
mating of the CAM 125 to the Europa XS has been a thoughtful and rigorous
process pursued with integrity.
Third, I take note of Alex's previous career as a test pilot for the RCAF
and hence, believe the data represents best efforts at an accurate, though
perhaps limited, representation of performance of this configuration; more
flight test data will be forthcoming.
Fred
A194
on 12/28/04 5:41 AM, Paul McAllister at paul.mcallister@qia.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> I am just curious, has Alex published any fuel flow numbers yet?
>
> Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Mike,
You write and I comment:
> I am getting the last little details taken
> care of in order to put the top of the canoe on. I keep going through the
> emails about things to do and reread the manual and I am still finding little
> things.
I only wish I was as far along on my build!..and I'm sure the care and
attention to detail you're doing at this point will serve you well.
> As for power plant, right now I am looking towards the 912S. I am not one to
> reinvent the wheel and take a pioneering risk of a new design unless I am
> getting a significant break on power, range, or cost.
Well...I don't consider myself as a wheel-reinventor...though I taught
myself to fly 30 years ago in one of the very early foot-launched biplane
ultralights, my mantra at the time was to cautiously "manage the degree of
novelty" as I transitioned from pure hang gliding; that fit my definition of
"pioneering". In the case at hand, Alex and Neil have been the pioneers, but
even so, they've worked w/ an engine which has been around a while and the
basic Honda VTEC is sound. As I see it, w/ the CAM 125, I'm anticipating a
modest increase in power, some improvement in reliability, maintenance, and
tweaking which some (NOT ALL!) Rotaxes seem to need, and though costs have
yet to be determined precisely, I don't expect any savings.
> My wife even talked me into a conventional gear so she would not be afraid of
> my landings in a mono.
I share some of your wife's concerns; I'm giving some thought to going
conventional myself as I think of the satisfying feeling of nailing the
upwind wheel on the runway in a stiff crosswind (sigh)!
Happy landings!
Fred
A194
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
Hi Fred.
In your respons to Mike Duane to the heavier Cam engine you say " Alex's
ship is approved for 1500 lb gross weight".
Who has approved this weight, and on what grounds, please? Do you have
details on this?
Regards,
Hans. #334 in Norway hansjd@online.no
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:33:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
fklein@orcasonline.com writes:
"manage the degree of novelty"
Fred,
I like your saying. Having given it some thought, I think it suits my
approach also. Otherwise we'd all be flying Cessna 172's.
What part of the NorthWest are these guys working in? Did they make it to
Arlington this past season? Do they plan on being there this coming July?
I think that when anyone comes up with a new way of doing things there is
always a healthy bit of skepticism from those that have gone before and a good
deal of wariness of those coming up. I think this might come across as
naysaying from an entrenched rival and those that support it, but it is well meant
and, I believe, necessary so that all what-ifs and what-abouts come to the
table so people can make an honest evaluation. I think that this will
ultimately provide us with enough alternatives in power plants that the prices
may get
a bit more competitive.
Thanks for all the input.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hans,
Alex is based in Canada. For specifics on his approved gross weight, I
suggest you contact him directly at: ahmd.shaw.ca
Please post any info you get!
Fred
A194
> --> Europa-List message posted by: hansjd@online.no
>
> Hi Fred.
>
> In your respons to Mike Duane to the heavier Cam engine you say " Alex's
> ship is approved for 1500 lb gross weight".
>
> Who has approved this weight, and on what grounds, please? Do you have
> details on this?
>
> Regards,
> Hans. #334 in Norway hansjd@online.no
>
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| Subject: | Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Just looking for ideas on how I can maneuver the wings during
construction. I have a wing-caddy, but lifting the wing from the shop
table to the caddy needs an extra pair of hands. I also need to flip
the wings over, tilt them etc.. to work on different parts. I was
thinking of suspending from the ceiling, but there doesn't seem to be a
clear attach points on the wings. Any ideas are appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I used sawhorses and often moved the wings by myself. They are not as
cumbersome as they look. I simply lifted or lowered one end at a time off and
on the
horses. They are easily flipped around on the leading edge while on the floor
then put them back on the sawhorses allowing you to work on the top or
bottom. Handle them at the spar end when you do that and make sure you have a
piece
of carpeting underneath the edge to keep the wings from scuffing.
You can spend a lot of unnecessary time making dollies, suspensions and
caddies that really are not necessary. IMHO
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Andrew,
Without the flaps and ailerons attached I was able to lift the wing by myself and
move it about the workshop. I always had a cradle mount at both ends around
the leading edge in case I wanted to put it down. However they were light enough
to lift if you centred yourself at the right position and they were the old
style wings fill up blue foam!! The new ones would be lighter I would think.
I used to put them on saw horses with blue foam underneath and turn them over by
tilting them vertical on the leading edge on the horses and then shift them
to one end and lower them onto the other side.
I had to do this as my children are too young to help and my wife was feed up with
the project anyway so asking her did not create good vibs!!
Cheers,
Tim
>
> From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
> Date: 2004/12/29 Wed PM 02:49:37 GMT+13:00
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Just looking for ideas on how I can maneuver the wings during
> construction. I have a wing-caddy, but lifting the wing from the shop
> table to the caddy needs an extra pair of hands. I also need to flip
> the wings over, tilt them etc.. to work on different parts. I was
> thinking of suspending from the ceiling, but there doesn't seem to be a
> clear attach points on the wings. Any ideas are appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FWF Options
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
|
| Hans,
|
| Alex is based in Canada. For specifics on his approved gross weight, I
| suggest you contact him directly at: ahmd.shaw.ca
|
| Please post any info you get!
|
| Fred
| A194
|
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: hansjd@online.no
| >
| > Hi Fred.
| >
| > In your respons to Mike Duane to the heavier Cam engine you say " Alex's
| > ship is approved for 1500 lb gross weight".
| >
| > Who has approved this weight, and on what grounds, please? Do you have
| > details on this?
| >
| > Regards,
| > Hans. #334 in Norway hansjd@online.no
Hi,
Canadian regs permit choice of AUW based on a wing area formula
Ferg
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| Subject: | Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Andrew:
I wound up suspending my wings from the ceiling. I took 2 pieces of 2 X 4
for each wing and covered each in carpet. They were each slightly longer
than the widest chord of the wing. Large screw eyes were at the top
surface of each end. Holes were put in the drywall ceiling of the garage
by the ceiling studs at the spacing of the screw eyes. Hardware store
chain was attached to the studs at screw eyes and hung down through the
holes in the ceiling. Spring loaded hook closures were then positioned so
that the 2 X 4's were level an at a convenient height. When installing the
wing only one hook is released and the 2 X 4 swung down. I was able to
lift 1 end of the wing with one hand and swing up the board with the other
and secure the clasp. Having extra lenght of chain available also allowed
me to hang up the top side of the fuselage up there upside down when the
wings weren't there.
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/28/2004 6:49:42 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Can one person maneuver the wings in the shop?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Just looking for ideas on how I can maneuver the wings during
> construction. I have a wing-caddy, but lifting the wing from the shop
> table to the caddy needs an extra pair of hands. I also need to flip
> the wings over, tilt them etc.. to work on different parts. I was
> thinking of suspending from the ceiling, but there doesn't seem to be a
> clear attach points on the wings. Any ideas are appreciated.
>
>
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| Subject: | Cleaning steel before paint? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I have been using a sand blasting cabinet with glass beads to prepare parts made
from aluminium.
I wash with hot water and Palmolive soap and scotch bright and or brushes before
painting.
I need to paint some steel parts.
How can i clean off the glass beading grunge from Steel?
I tried enamel reducer, even with scotch bright it does not seem to clean real
well.
I tried washing a practice steel part with hot water and Palmolive and it seems
to work well.
I am concerned that it may get surface rust??? I washed the practice part, dried
it and hit it with a heat shrink gun. Don't see any corrosion.
I will be using Dupont self etching primer.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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