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1. 01:32 AM - Finger Brake cylinder seals (Richard Iddon)
2. 01:49 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (NevEyre@aol.com)
3. 04:33 AM - Re: LED Wingtip Lights (Jeremy Davey)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Jeremy Davey)
5. 05:30 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Gerry Holland)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Jeremy Davey)
7. 07:00 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Gerry Holland)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Fred Fillinger)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Andrew Sarangan)
10. 07:52 AM - Re: Treating aileron bellcrank (Cliff Shaw)
11. 09:55 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Andrew Sarangan)
12. 12:17 PM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (j t)
13. 02:26 PM - Out rigger legs (Graham Singleton)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
15. 04:29 PM - New Europa Forum (Sean Caranna)
16. 05:04 PM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Andrew Sarangan)
17. 05:26 PM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
18. 07:57 PM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (SteveD)
19. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
20. 11:47 PM - Re: Out rigger legs (NevEyre@aol.com)
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Subject: | Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing
yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately
I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane).
I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to
fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up
the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it
around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Subject: | Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Richard,
The gap from fully tight should be 0.030'' [ no idea what that is in foriegn]
Cheers,
Nev.
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Subject: | LED Wingtip Lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
That's odd! Mine wouldn't! I had some very early lenses from Graham, so
perhaps his later ones were bigger?
Graham, any thoughts?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1250 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
beecho@beecho.org
Subject: RE: Europa-List: LED Wingtip Lights
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Gosh, Jeremy, I guess my Creative Air nav lights didn't know that they
could not fit Graham's lenses so they just did fit themselves!
Tom
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: LED Wingtip Lights
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Just a quick word of warning... The CreativAir nav lights with built-in
landing lights won't fit under Graham's lenses, which are smaller than the
Europa ones. Graham's are fine for smaller systems like the usual
incandescents from Whelen, or possibly some of the smaller LED systems.
Anyone in the UK who needs a mod for fitting these - mine is approved
subject to flight testing, and it looks like Pete Kember is going to beat me
on that by a fair margin!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes
fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster
CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and
alarms
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: Europa-List: LED Wingtip Lights
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
So far I know of two sources for LED lights. CreativAir and GS-Air. Web
sites are: http://www.creativair.com/ and http://www.gs-air.com
CreativAir nav lights has to be mounted on the leading edge of the wingtip,
and has the option of including a landing light. GS-Air nav lights must be
mounted at the center of the wingtip, and includes a strobe and a
rearward-looking white light, and it come in a preformed plexiglas housing.
Are there other sources?
Does Europa still sell the wingtip lenses? Which design would be most
compatible with the Europa XS wing? I am looking for any general advice in
this regard.
Thanks everyone, and Happy New Year to everybody!!
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Subject: | Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Andrew,
I don't know if you can get it over there, but over here there is a very
light, 3/4", white, reasonably flexible, plastic piping you can get for the
overflow pipe for toilet cisterns. It's so light as it doesn't have to take
pressure and hence is very thin-walled.
I used it for my wing conduits and it's excellent.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1250 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: Europa-List: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Thanks to many before me, I decided to install the blue corrugated
tubing as a raceway for the pitot/static tubes and wiring. This tubing
comes in two sizes - 3/4" and 1/2" diameter. Which ones did you guys
use? I am tempted to go with 3/4", but would rather avoid the excess
weight if it is not necessary.
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Good Day Sir!
> I don't know if you can get it over there, but over here there is a very
> light, 3/4", white, reasonably flexible, plastic piping you can get for the
> overflow pipe for toilet cisterns. It's so light as it doesn't have to take
> pressure and hence is very thin-walled.
>
> I used it for my wing conduits and it's excellent.
I'm sure you included a connection to your Pee tube system Jez.
Admirable idea for when you personally 'overflow'. Good outflow too!
Happy New Year to You.
Holland of the Western Blairdom of Britain
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Subject: | Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
I never thought of hooking the pee tube up to the wing conduits. Would that
be the Crop Sprayer mod? :-)
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1250 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Good Day Sir!
> I don't know if you can get it over there, but over here there is a very
> light, 3/4", white, reasonably flexible, plastic piping you can get for
the
> overflow pipe for toilet cisterns. It's so light as it doesn't have to
take
> pressure and hence is very thin-walled.
>
> I used it for my wing conduits and it's excellent.
I'm sure you included a connection to your Pee tube system Jez.
Admirable idea for when you personally 'overflow'. Good outflow too!
Happy New Year to You.
Holland of the Western Blairdom of Britain
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Jez
> I never thought of hooking the pee tube up to the wing conduits. Would that
> be the Crop Sprayer mod? :-)
Possibly and it would be a costed Mod. You would probably attract attention
of the Animal Cruelty League for some reason or another too!! The mind
boggles!
Must go.... Matron says I need more medication.
Have I had my Tea yet?
Greetings from the Home for the Bewildered.
GH
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks to many before me, I decided to install the blue corrugated
> tubing as a raceway for the pitot/static tubes and wiring.
Dou you mean corrugated around the circumference? One advantage of
this conduit is easier for replacing/adding wires. I'd want something
smooth, and ordinary polyethylene tubing is light, if maybe not the
lightest available.
If a builder wants to save all possible increments of weight, the
Grumman AA-x series of aircraft use rubber grommets in the wing ribs,
and the wings are glued together for very limited future access. They
purposely do not neaten the bundle with ty-wraps, and flashlight
inspection down the 15-foot length will suggest it was an awful way to
do it. There's a ty-wrap at the grommet at either end for a little
tension, so they don't flop too much., and there's a trick to add a
wire -- take an existing wire to pull through two new ones, scrap the
old one -- is why no internal ty-wraps.
After 30+ yrs in the fleet, there's probably some grommets gettin'
hard, and if one falls apart (the least accessible one!), wires will
chafe on thin metal. No problem yet, maybe in another 15-20.... The
difference in the XS wing is you won't be able to sight down the run
with flashlight and tug on it to look for a problem at the grommets
you can see. But there's no metal to short a wire either. Builder
choice, IMO.
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Jeremy,
Thank for that idea. I think I know which tube you are talking about.
It is a corrugated white plastic tube that is used to make flexible
drain connections. They sell that stuff by the foot at hardware stores.
I will take a look.
--- Jeremy Davey <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Andrew,
>
> I don't know if you can get it over there, but over here there is a
> very
> light, 3/4", white, reasonably flexible, plastic piping you can get
> for the
> overflow pipe for toilet cisterns. It's so light as it doesn't have
> to take
> pressure and hence is very thin-walled.
>
> I used it for my wing conduits and it's excellent.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then
> it is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1250 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sarangan
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan
> <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thanks to many before me, I decided to install the blue corrugated
> tubing as a raceway for the pitot/static tubes and wiring. This
> tubing
> comes in two sizes - 3/4" and 1/2" diameter. Which ones did you guys
> use? I am tempted to go with 3/4", but would rather avoid the excess
> weight if it is not necessary.
>
>
> =====
> Andrew Sarangan
> http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Re: Treating aileron bellcrank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Andrew
I did not treat the bearing retainers. I think your reasoning is correct.
The ball bearing may be harmed in the process.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
PS wishing the clouds would blow away
>>>conversion. The bearing may be packed with grease, and I am afraid to
> dip that in the acid wash. Any comments?
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Cliff
The blue corrugated tube used for home electrical wiring is lighter
than the thin PVC pipes. Most plumbing tubing are made to withstand
pressure, so they tend to be thick walled and heavier. The only
exception could be drain tubing. I will scout around Lowes to find a
suitable tubing. Thanks for the ideas.
--- Fred Fillinger <n3eu@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger"
> <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> > Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan
> <asarangan@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thanks to many before me, I decided to install the blue corrugated
> > tubing as a raceway for the pitot/static tubes and wiring.
>
> Dou you mean corrugated around the circumference? One advantage of
> this conduit is easier for replacing/adding wires. I'd want
> something
> smooth, and ordinary polyethylene tubing is light, if maybe not the
> lightest available.
>
> If a builder wants to save all possible increments of weight, the
> Grumman AA-x series of aircraft use rubber grommets in the wing ribs,
> and the wings are glued together for very limited future access.
> They
> purposely do not neaten the bundle with ty-wraps, and flashlight
> inspection down the 15-foot length will suggest it was an awful way
> to
> do it. There's a ty-wrap at the grommet at either end for a little
> tension, so they don't flop too much., and there's a trick to add a
> wire -- take an existing wire to pull through two new ones, scrap the
> old one -- is why no internal ty-wraps.
>
> After 30+ yrs in the fleet, there's probably some grommets gettin'
> hard, and if one falls apart (the least accessible one!), wires will
> chafe on thin metal. No problem yet, maybe in another 15-20.... The
> difference in the XS wing is you won't be able to sight down the run
> with flashlight and tug on it to look for a problem at the grommets
> you can see. But there's no metal to short a wire either. Builder
> choice, IMO.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com>
them finger brakes are a pain in the backside to fit have you only just put
them because if you have the best way to get all of the air out is to get 2
lots of blue foat about 1 foot square by about 3/4 of afoot thick then put
them uner them 2 main wheels and bleed them in the ushal way it woors a
treat just make sure that u chock the front wheel
>From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:31:29 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
>I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing
>yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately
>I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane).
>
>I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to
>fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up
>the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it
>around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home.
>
>Can anyone enlighten me?
>
>Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 30/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>There is different types of nylon. Think type 6 and also type 66.
>
>I forget which is which, but 1 has little ability to handle UV, thus fails.
>
>I remember reading a warning somewhere to make sure you use the proper nylon.
>
>McMaster may give a description of properties of nylon they carry.
>
>Ron Parigoris
Ron is right. Europa did quite a lot of testing before finalising the
supplier. There is a brittleness issue too, maybe to do with aging but
perhaps low temps in Wisconsin winters could crack them
Memory suggets 66 nylon but don't rely on my fuzzy logic
Graham
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I went with the 3/4.
The Chihuahua wouldn't fit through the 1/2 inch!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | New Europa Forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean Caranna" <VP2Flyer@cfl.rr.com>
I've started a new aircraft homebuilding forum at http://www.WingsForum.com
"They" say that a picture is worth a thousand words. The ability to attach
spreadsheets, documents, and CAD files can speak volumes.
I am not asking anyone to leave this list. I'm just offering an additional
resource that will offer easily accessible photo and data file content
intergraded with the message threads. http://www.wingsforum.com also has
form based email and private messaging that will nonpublic communications
while protecting your email address from SPAM email harvesters.
http://www.WingsForum.com was created because the email based groups just
can't compete with the forum format for organization of topics, searching
information already covered by a group, and relevancy of information
presented. I can't tell you how many HOURS of my life have been wasted
scrolling through off topic threads and information irrelevant to my search
on Yahoo and MSN groups. Lets face it, if you are looking for info on your
spar why should you need to scroll through 30 email post on firewalls 5
about rudders and 2 about nothing at all?
At http://www.WingsForum.com you will find topics well organized, pictures
and relevant files directly attached to their post, private messaging, and
more all on one site. Forum membership is, and will always be, FREE. Try
in out, it cost nothing, and you just might like it. If you don't like it
just let me know how I can improve the site.
Email Digest are available for those who prefer them. You can customize
them for what forums you want to watch, if you want a short excerpt or full
messages of up to 36,000 characters, and what time of day they will be
delivered to you. Users just click the Digest link at the top of the page
once logged in to enable them.
Thanks for your consideration,
Sean C. Caranna
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
I estimated that the blue tube weighs about 2 lb each for a 12' length.
That is about 4 lb extra for both wings. Just wondering if the conduit
is really worth its weight. I realize that fishing a wire would be
difficult without a conduit, but what about using a long telescoping
pole to feed the wire or tubing? Also, the aileron bellcrank inspection
plate provides an access point about half way down the wing. If the rib
holes are made along a straight line, it should be possible to fish a
wire, no?
--- EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I went with the 3/4.
> The Chihuahua wouldn't fit through the 1/2 inch!
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
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Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Andrew.
Yes, indeed it is posable to fish wiring through the holes in the wing ribs.
Actually, should the occasion arise it is best to pull the new wire / tubing
through using the old wire you are replacing. I have replaced wiring in my old
Cherokee with that method.
My decision to add the tubes were for a number of reasons including ease of
repair to the internals. In addition I did not want any loose wiring flopping
around in the wing and next to the aileron bellcranks.
While I did not weigh the tubing or brackets I'm surprised with the estimate
of 4 pounds. Perhaps it could be that much. One thing is for sure. The tubing
will be heavier that grommets!
Happy building and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
3/4 blue tube from home depot. .125 lb per foot. 11 ft per wing, 1.375 lb. Say
1.5 lb. per wing 3 lb. total or 0.214285714 Stone. : )
The mice ate my tygon tubing and chewed the one wire I had strung through the wing.
Time to replace, about 5 minutes. I'm glad I put them in.
Steved.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Steve:
Perhaps you should install a cat in the wing for the mice...
Just a suggestion. Happy New Year
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Out rigger legs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi,
Graham's memory is better than he claims, the nylon is indeed ''66''.
Make sure that is what you get, I have seen '' just as good as 66 nylon, but
cheaper'' used, failed like a bit of chewing gum !
Happy new year to all you Europhiles.
Cheers,
Nev.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken Gresham" <kgresham@dtnspeed.net>
Black poly irrigation tubing (1/2" diameter) found at your local home center or
hardware store only weighs approximately 8 ounces per 10 feet and comes in rolls
of 50 to 100 feet. I bought 100' for only $7.00 (It was all they had) It is
stiff but flexible enough to be creative.
Ken Gresham
Delavan, IL
A268 Tri-gear
Flying surfaces built, wings ready to close (except for wiring), cockpit module
in, and gear on. working on all to do before bonding on top.
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