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1. 10:39 AM - Re: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway (Andrew Sarangan)
2. 12:07 PM - Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) (Duncan McFadyean)
3. 12:11 PM - Re: Out rigger legs (Duncan McFadyean)
4. 12:27 PM - Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) (William Mills)
5. 12:53 PM - Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) (Paddy Clarke)
6. 01:37 PM - Re: Outrigger Legs (rlborger)
7. 03:43 PM - Flap Indicator (JEFF ROBERTS)
8. 03:52 PM - TP11 Torque tube bearings (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
9. 07:16 PM - Re: TP11 Torque tube bearings (SteveD)
10. 10:18 PM - Rudder Length Dimension??? (tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au)
11. 10:38 PM - Re: Rudder Length Dimension??? (David Glauser)
12. 10:40 PM - Re: Rudder Length Dimension??? (Cliff Shaw)
13. 11:16 PM - Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) (Richard Iddon)
14. 11:51 PM - Re: Flap Indicator (ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk)
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| Subject: | Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Thanks Bob for that advice. The 1/2" black irrigation tube weighs about
1.2 lb for 22' length. My only concern is whether the 1/2" diameter
would be enough to feed the pitot static tubes and the electrical
wiring. They also had the 3/4" irrigation tube. I didn't weigh it but
it appeared to be much heavier, probably twice as much. The 3/4"
corrugated electrical blue tube weighed in at 2.2 lb for 22' length.
So, they are all within a pound of each other.
--- Robert Berube <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> If you go into the irrigation department at Home Depot, they carry
> 1/2 inch
> black irrigation tubing that comes in 25ft rolls. It is very thin
> and very
> light. Cost is around 7.00 for the entire roll. Never weighed it
> but
> entire roll weighs not much over a pound. When you cut the hole in
> the ribs
> for the tubing, make sure you reinforce that area with a 2 layer BID
> patch
> at least on one side of the rib
>
> Bob
> Flight Crafters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sarangan
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Blue corrugated tube for wing raceway
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan
> <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
> I estimated that the blue tube weighs about 2 lb each for a 12'
> length.
> That is about 4 lb extra for both wings. Just wondering if the
> conduit
> is really worth its weight. I realize that fishing a wire would be
> difficult without a conduit, but what about using a long telescoping
> pole to feed the wire or tubing? Also, the aileron bellcrank
> inspection
> plate provides an access point about half way down the wing. If the
> rib
> holes are made along a straight line, it should be possible to fish a
> wire, no?
>
>
> --- EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >
> > I went with the 3/4.
> > The Chihuahua wouldn't fit through the 1/2 inch!
> >
> > Brian Skelly
> > Texas
> > Europa # A276 TriGear
> > See My build photos at:
> > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
> >
> >
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>
> =====
> Andrew Sarangan
> http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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| Subject: | Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Wouldn't mind Shobdon. The 20 knot wind will be straight down the runway
and it will be a tailwind or cross wind return journey for most.
Any takers?
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> The "Pilot" freebies include Beccles, Huddersfield, Sandtoft and Seething,
> which might give a little more scope for location.
> I'm game for Monday.
> Happy New Year to all,
> William
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN)
>
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> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > Given that it will be very windy in the UK until at lest 2 Jan., after
> which
> > it may still be windy, and few are likely to be sufficiently
alcohol-free
> on
> > New Year's day, is anyone up for a DOTH?
> >
> > The Flyer freebies are include Bodmin, Enstone and Tattenhill. The last
> two
> > are too close for me and Bodmin may be too far for most with the
available
> > daylight.
> >
> > There are bound to be some other fly-ins coming to light before then, so
> one
> > of these could be the venue.
> >
> > Stay tuned and interested.
> >
> > Duncan McF.
> > do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Out rigger legs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The actual nylon used was quoted in one of the early Factory newsletters;
which are available at the Club website.
But you are probably correct because I remember it as Nylon 66 too; but
could also be wrong!
Duncan Mcf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Out rigger legs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 30/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >There is different types of nylon. Think type 6 and also type 66.
> >
> >I forget which is which, but 1 has little ability to handle UV, thus
fails.
> >
> >I remember reading a warning somewhere to make sure you use the proper
nylon.
> >
> >McMaster may give a description of properties of nylon they carry.
> >
> >Ron Parigoris
>
> Ron is right. Europa did quite a lot of testing before finalising the
> supplier. There is a brittleness issue too, maybe to do with aging but
> perhaps low temps in Wisconsin winters could crack them
> Memory suggets 66 nylon but don't rely on my fuzzy logic
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Although it is only just up the road for me, I'll join you, Duncan.
Regards,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Wouldn't mind Shobdon. The 20 knot wind will be straight down the runway
> and it will be a tailwind or cross wind return journey for most.
> Any takers?
>
>
> Duncan McF.
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hope to see you there,
Cheers
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger Legs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Gents,
Duncan was correct about both the material and the general location of
the information.
In Factory Newsletter #4, page1, paragraph 1, sentence 4:
"The only change we have made is in the outrigger material which was
Polypropelene and is now Nylon 66.''
1.25 inch Nylon Rod is available from McMaster-Carr (isn't
everything?), cut to length, under the part number 8538K25 at a cost of
$4.47/ft.
A Most Happy And Prosperous New Year To All,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(75%) Work on hold while I accumulate $$ to purchase the plexi, prop
and other parts that I'll never get from EMIL or E(04). Meanwhile,
working on Instrument, Commercial, CFI & CFII ratings for potential
career change.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hello Everyone & Happy New Year,
I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their
indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come
up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs.
Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount
it?
Thanks, in advance,
Jeff
A258
One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me.
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| Subject: | TP11 Torque tube bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
My TP11 Torque tube bearings are not centered as the illustration on page
18-4 shows. They are proud towards the inside of the fuselage. Only about 1/8
inch over hang on the outside. My measurements from outer edge bulkhead to the
other outer edges is dead on 255 mm per instructions.
Anyone else have this same experience? Could this be a problem?
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Brian,
TP12s could have been drilled into the torque tube in the wrong spot. I'm in the
hanger now so I can't pop out and get the measurements. If they're not posted
I'll get them for you tomorrow.
Put everything together, torque tube, TP-11, TP-12 and pin. Then measure TP-11s
from center to center. We can only hope it's 255 mm.
I'm not sure what the calcs where for TP-11 and keeping it in place, maybe 1/8
is ok, but is sounds light.
Chat Later,
Steved
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| Subject: | Rudder Length Dimension??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
Gidday,
I am on vacation in California, away from my kit and about to visit Aircraft Spruce
tomorrow, if someone could tell me the entire length of the rudder at the leading
edge,
should I choose to experiment with a full length hinge? Thanks in hopeful anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
P.S. Yes, I know I can guess, but I fear my Visa card it likely to come out of
there
already depleted, so I am attempting to mitigate the guilty feeling when, "she
who
must be obeyed" asks me......"how much did all this cost"???
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Length Dimension??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: David Glauser <dglauser@gmail.com>
My full-length hinge is 49.25" long. I believe AS sells it in whole
feet only. Four feet ought to work.
David
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:16:27 +1100, tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
>
> Gidday,
> I am on vacation in California, away from my kit and about to visit Aircraft
Spruce
> tomorrow, if someone could tell me the entire length of the rudder at the leading
edge,
> should I choose to experiment with a full length hinge? Thanks in hopeful anticipation.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> P.S. Yes, I know I can guess, but I fear my Visa card it likely to come out of
there
> already depleted, so I am attempting to mitigate the guilty feeling when, "she
who
> must be obeyed" asks me......"how much did all this cost"???
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Length Dimension??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Tony
I did a full llinth hinge on Wile E Coyote. Plan on 48 inches. That is what
I used. ( in carbon fiber though) ((don't ask, it was too expencive))
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Rudder Length Dimension???
> --> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
>
> Gidday,
> I am on vacation in California, away from my kit and about to visit
> Aircraft Spruce
> tomorrow, if someone could tell me the entire length of the rudder at the
> leading edge,
> should I choose to experiment with a full length hinge? Thanks in hopeful
> anticipation.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> P.S. Yes, I know I can guess, but I fear my Visa card it likely to come
> out of there
> already depleted, so I am attempting to mitigate the guilty feeling when,
> "she who
> must be obeyed" asks me......"how much did all this cost"???
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Looks a bit windy but I'll give it a go also all being well.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Wouldn't mind Shobdon. The 20 knot wind will be straight down the
runway
and it will be a tailwind or cross wind return journey for most.
Any takers?
Duncan McF.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Hi! Jeff.
I'm on my way home just now so I will contact you tomorrow morning with
my solution to the problem.
However I used the sender provided by I think "The Allen ompany".......(I
forgot the name, to early in the morning and too old !)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive
>-- Original Message --
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
>Subject: Europa-List: Flap Indicator
>Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:42:08 -0600
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>Hello Everyone & Happy New Year,
>I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their
>indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come
>up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs.
>Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount
>it?
>
>Thanks, in advance,
>Jeff
>A258
>One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me.
>
>
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