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1. 08:46 AM - Purpose of plywood between ribs (Andrew Sarangan)
2. 09:37 AM - Re: Purpose of plywood between ribs (Fred R. Klein)
3. 10:06 AM - Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount (Roger Mills)
4. 10:25 AM - Re: Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount (Gerry Holland)
5. 10:47 AM - Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) (Paddy Clarke)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount (ROGER MILLS)
7. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: TP11 Torque tube bearings (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: TP11 Torque tube bearings (Michael Grass)
9. 01:54 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Michael Grass)
10. 02:09 PM - Flight testing guide (Paul McAllister)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Flight testing guide (Mike Baker)
12. 04:10 PM - Re: Flight Testing Guide (rlborger)
13. 05:27 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (KARL HEINDL)
14. 07:12 PM - Re: TP11 Torque tube bearings (SteveD)
15. 09:19 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Michael Grass)
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| Subject: | Purpose of plywood between ribs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Does anyone know why a piece of plywood is laminated between the two
ribs adjoining the W18 plates?
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| Subject: | Re: Purpose of plywood between ribs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
IMHO it appears to be an essential structural stiffener...lot's of stress on
the outriggers
Fred
A194
on 1/3/05 8:44 AM, Andrew Sarangan at asarangan@YAHOO.COM wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Does anyone know why a piece of plywood is laminated between the two
> ribs adjoining the W18 plates?
>
>
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| Subject: | Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Mills" <Roger.Mills@btinternet.com>
Happy New Year to everyone!
Does anyone in the UK have a classic engine mount in good condition that
they wish to sell?
Regards
Roger Mills
G-BVUV
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Roger Hi!
> Does anyone in the UK have a classic engine mount in good condition that
> they wish to sell?
Try Nigel Charles: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
He is upgrading his Europa to XS Mountings to upgrade Starter Motor
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Bank Holiday DOTH (aka FLY-IN) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Did anyone make it to Shobdon to-day ?.
I got past Gloucester, then ran into low cloud and rain - so came home!
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Europa Classic Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ROGER MILLS <roger.mills@btinternet.com>
Thanks Gerry I'll give him a mail.
Regards
Roger
Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
Roger Hi!
> Does anyone in the UK have a classic engine mount in good condition that
> they wish to sell?
Try Nigel Charles: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
He is upgrading his Europa to XS Mountings to upgrade Starter Motor
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:17:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Post2Forum@comcast.net writes:
Then measure TP-11s from center to center. We can only hope it's 255 mm.
I'm not sure what the calcs where for TP-11 and keeping it in place, maybe
1/8 is ok, but is sounds light.
Thanks Steve. I truly appreciate the help!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi Brian,
my bearings outside faces are about 5 mm (or 3/8 of an inch) proud of the
outer surface. My total measurement from outside to outside face of the
bearings are 267 mm. They are for sure not centered in the hole of the
fuselage.
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
Detroit, Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:17:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> Post2Forum@comcast.net writes:
> Then measure TP-11s from center to center. We can only hope it's 255 mm.
> I'm not sure what the calcs where for TP-11 and keeping it in place, maybe
> 1/8 is ok, but is sounds light.
> Thanks Steve. I truly appreciate the help!
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
A happy new year and a thank you to all who have a replied to my questions.
It for sure did not made my decision much easier but I still will likely to
go with the 914 engine. At present, I can not come up with an economical or
logical rather an emotional decision.
Logical would be to buy an aircraft
Economical would mean to rent an aircraft.
Emotional means to put in the smoothest engine with the most power and
altitude capabilities I can afford.
BTW, for all those who feel the need to go with an automotive engine, there
is a German engineer working on an conversion engine from the European SMART
car. This engine is a turbocharged and fuel injected 82 hp diesel engine
with only 11 lbs more weight then the 912 (without the S) but has much
better torque / rpm characteristics. http://www.ecofly.de/ According to the
German flier magazine "Aerokurier 9/2004" this guy is currently working on a
100 HP version and has plans to install it in to a Europa. Maybe Bruno, the
Europa distributor in Germany could shine a bit more light on this one.
Graham,
Yes, Jim Price is my tech councilor and also looked after Thomas Scherer's
bird. He is a very knowledgeable mechanical and electrical engineer and is
with me on my wishful dream to go with the lower compression engine. Also I
am very interested in the Kremen CS prop. Fortunately I still can wait with
the decision of the prop but think that I should order the FWF kit very
soon.
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear, Detroit Mi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 19/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>>What makes more sense: To get first the 914 kit and then, if I change my
>>mind (means
>>I cant afford the 914) upgrade to the 912? Or get the 912 package and have
>>left over's? I would hate to buy parts I do not need. If somebody has the
>>packing list from both that would be great so I could see what I really
>>would
>>get from Europa.
>>
>>The last of the set of questions:
>>I know some of you where interested about the Kremen CS Prop. Are there
>>any Europas
>>Michael Grass
>>A266 Trigear, Detroit MI,
>
> Michael
> whose your tech councilor? Jim Price? He was Thomas Scherer's remember
> him?
> Kremen is the cheapest and looks OK . I like the Arplast (French) still
> economical,
> 914 is the smoothest engine and is very good at high density altitude.
> Plenty of that in the West.
> Graham
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight testing guide |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I seem to recall that the FAA has an updated version of AC90-89a. If this is the
case would any one happen to know the document number.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Flight testing guide |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
AC Number:
AC 90-89A
Subject:
Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing
Handbook
go here to find
http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft
Great Information
--- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I seem to recall that the FAA has an updated version
> of AC90-89a. If this is the case would any one
> happen to know the document number.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Testing Guide |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul
I just checked the FAA website ( http://av-info.faa.gov/ ) and on the
2nd page for Advisory Circulars the AC90-89a is still there and shows
now sign of any more recent updates.
Hope this helps.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(75%) Work on hold while I accumulate $$ to purchase the plexi, prop
and other parts that I'll never get from EMIL or E(04). Meanwhile,
working on Instrument, Commercial, CFI & CFII ratings for potential
career change.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
The M160 looks promising, but I can't find any reference that this is a
Diesel.
Karl
>From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Reply-To:
>europa-list@matronics.com To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re:
>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options Date: Mon, 3
>Jan 2005 16:53:46 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
>A happy new year and a thank you to all who have a replied to my
>questions.
>
>It for sure did not made my decision much easier but I still will likely to
>go with the 914 engine. At present, I can not come up with an economical or
>logical rather an emotional decision. Logical would be to buy an aircraft
>Economical would mean to rent an aircraft. Emotional means to put in the
>smoothest engine with the most power and altitude capabilities I can
>afford.
>
>BTW, for all those who feel the need to go with an automotive engine, there
>is a German engineer working on an conversion engine from the European
>SMART car. This engine is a turbocharged and fuel injected 82 hp diesel
>engine with only 11 lbs more weight then the 912 (without the S) but has
>much better torque / rpm characteristics. http://www.ecofly.de/ According
>to the German flier magazine "Aerokurier 9/2004" this guy is currently
>working on a 100 HP version and has plans to install it in to a Europa.
>Maybe Bruno, the Europa distributor in Germany could shine a bit more light
>on this one.
>
>Graham, Yes, Jim Price is my tech councilor and also looked after Thomas
>Scherer's bird. He is a very knowledgeable mechanical and electrical
>engineer and is with me on my wishful dream to go with the lower
>compression engine. Also I am very interested in the Kremen CS prop.
>Fortunately I still can wait with the decision of the prop but think that I
>should order the FWF kit very soon.
>
>Michael Grass A266 Trigear, Detroit Mi
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton"
><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject:
>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton >
><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> > > At 23:56 19/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >>-->
>Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> >>What
>makes more sense: To get first the 914 kit and then, if I change my >>mind
>(means >>I cant afford the 914) upgrade to the 912? Or get the 912 package
>and have >>left over's? I would hate to buy parts I do not need. If
>somebody has the >>packing list from both that would be great so I could
>see what I really >>would >>get from Europa. >> >>The last of the set of
>questions: >>I know some of you where interested about the Kremen CS Prop.
>Are there >>any Europas >>Michael Grass >>A266 Trigear, Detroit MI, > >
>Michael > whose your tech councilor? Jim Price? He was Thomas Scherer's
>remember > him? > Kremen is the cheapest and looks OK . I like the Arplast
>(French) still > economical, > 914 is the smoothest engine and is very good
>at high density altitude. > Plenty of that in the West. > Graham > > >
>
>
>Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I got to the hanger, it's hard to measure the torque tube stuff when its installed.
I measured the inside to inside edge of TP12. Got 141 mm. I lucked out and
my bushings centered.
I got a tip for installing TP10 plastic tube. I found that I pushed on them while
trying to drill the hole. This made them bind on TP11 bushings. What I did
was put TP10 edge down on two layers of thin duct tape. Then I cut around the
outside then the inside. So I had a duct tape O on the end of the tube. Then you
can put TP10 up tight against TP11. Drill the hole for the pin. Remove the
tape and the gap is perfect.
Chat Later,
Steved.
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Karl,
yes you are right. Sorry no diesel, it has a dual electronic ignition. For
some reason I must interpreted the constant toque over speed diagram and the
low fuel consumption as a diesel but reading the article again it is
defiantly not a diesel. The Engine still looks very interesting.
Michael Grass
----- Original Message -----
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
>
> The M160 looks promising, but I can't find any reference that this is a
> Diesel.
>
> Karl
>
>
>>From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Reply-To:
>>europa-list@matronics.com To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re:
>>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options Date: Mon, 3
>>Jan 2005 16:53:46 -0500
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>>
>>A happy new year and a thank you to all who have a replied to my
>>questions.
>>
>>It for sure did not made my decision much easier but I still will likely
>>to
>>go with the 914 engine. At present, I can not come up with an economical
>>or
>>logical rather an emotional decision. Logical would be to buy an aircraft
>>Economical would mean to rent an aircraft. Emotional means to put in the
>>smoothest engine with the most power and altitude capabilities I can
>>afford.
>>
>>BTW, for all those who feel the need to go with an automotive engine,
>>there
>>is a German engineer working on an conversion engine from the European
>>SMART car. This engine is a turbocharged and fuel injected 82 hp diesel
>>engine with only 11 lbs more weight then the 912 (without the S) but has
>>much better torque / rpm characteristics. http://www.ecofly.de/ According
>>to the German flier magazine "Aerokurier 9/2004" this guy is currently
>>working on a 100 HP version and has plans to install it in to a Europa.
>>Maybe Bruno, the Europa distributor in Germany could shine a bit more
>>light
>>on this one.
>>
>>Graham, Yes, Jim Price is my tech councilor and also looked after Thomas
>>Scherer's bird. He is a very knowledgeable mechanical and electrical
>>engineer and is with me on my wishful dream to go with the lower
>>compression engine. Also I am very interested in the Kremen CS prop.
>>Fortunately I still can wait with the decision of the prop but think that
>>I
>>should order the FWF kit very soon.
>>
>>Michael Grass A266 Trigear, Detroit Mi
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton"
>><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject:
>>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
>>
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton >
>><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> > > At 23:56 19/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >>-->
>>Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>> >>What
>>makes more sense: To get first the 914 kit and then, if I change my >>mind
>>(means >>I cant afford the 914) upgrade to the 912? Or get the 912 package
>>and have >>left over's? I would hate to buy parts I do not need. If
>>somebody has the >>packing list from both that would be great so I could
>>see what I really >>would >>get from Europa. >> >>The last of the set of
>>questions: >>I know some of you where interested about the Kremen CS Prop.
>>Are there >>any Europas >>Michael Grass >>A266 Trigear, Detroit MI, > >
>>Michael > whose your tech councilor? Jim Price? He was Thomas Scherer's
>>remember > him? > Kremen is the cheapest and looks OK . I like the Arplast
>>(French) still > economical, > 914 is the smoothest engine and is very
>>good
>>at high density altitude. > Plenty of that in the West. > Graham > > >
>>
>>
>>Forums.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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