---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/04/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: Flap Indicator (R.C.Harrison) 2. 03:32 AM - Flap position warning (Richard Iddon) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Flap position warning (R.C.Harrison) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: Flap Indicator (JEFF ROBERTS) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Flap Indicator () 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Flap Indicator () 7. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: TP11 Torque tube bearings (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 8. 08:36 PM - Rotax Sourcing (Dan Bish) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:11 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap Indicator --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Jeff As I said I'm not sure about the UMA Transducer to which you refer but the unit I used was the Pos-12 position sender unit supplied by The Ray Allen Company. It has an operating travel length of 30mm (1.19"). I found the best solution to provide use of this full range was a point in space about 3/16" forward of the Flap Operating Arm (in my case the port with the flaps in down position) about 1/14" above the fuselage floor. I then bolted on to the arm a piece of flat aluminium suitably drilled for a slender push rod to operate the sender unit positioned about 9" behind the flap drive slot. The Arc of the drive arm in this arrangement equates to approx. 30mm in a straight line for the Unit and the bolt on item and hole stay above the floor. Since the unit is situated behind and above the flap drive slot I have shielded it from weather by a passing the link through a "boot" of a polythene bag completely enclosing the unit and sealed to the push rod. I meanwhile guess that you know about the position visual markings suggested by Europa for P1 to see on the upper surface of the port flap relative to the wing surface? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Flap Indicator --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hello Everyone & Happy New Year, I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs. Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount it? Thanks, in advance, Jeff A258 One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:25 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: Flap position warning --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I have a bad habit when things get a little busy, of forgetting to raise my flaps occasionally after take off. I wondered if anyone had fitted a 'flap not up' indicator, perhaps a light or similar. I have considered a momentary switch, normally closed, mounted adjacent to the flap tube and depressed (to switch the light off) when the flaps were fully up. This would illuminate an indicator light on the panel whenever the flaps were not fully up but so far haven't been able to find something suitable. Any other idea's? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:19 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap position warning --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Richard. Happy New Year. I have today posted a message about my position Indicator for the flaps.....if you have an LED position indicator you get green bars on the panel in front of your eyes. That may answer your problem ? The difficulty with noise related warnings is the continuous noise problem in up position. The point is important since the max speed with flaps extended at all is 82kts. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Flap position warning --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I have a bad habit when things get a little busy, of forgetting to raise my flaps occasionally after take off. I wondered if anyone had fitted a 'flap not up' indicator, perhaps a light or similar. I have considered a momentary switch, normally closed, mounted adjacent to the flap tube and depressed (to switch the light off) when the flaps were fully up. This would illuminate an indicator light on the panel whenever the flaps were not fully up but so far haven't been able to find something suitable. Any other idea's? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:19 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap Indicator --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Thanks Bob, I found a suitable way to mount the transducer. Mine travels like a dial hand on a clock with the pivot point being the transducer. The transducer itself is round so I mounted it with a 1 1/2 inch hose clamp that I connected to a 2 inch square of scrap firewall-wall material. This I floxed onto the floor under the flap arm. The dial or arm coming from the transducer comes up about 6 inches and lays into a slot I made of a piece of aluminum that is clamped to the flap arm. After several attempts to get it to align with indicator markings of 10 20 & 30 degrees it works perfect. I just didn't want that awful looking sticker on my wing. Nor did I want to paint lines there. The indicator and transducer are in my opinion very over priced but it looks a lot better. Thanks very much for your response. Best Regards, Jeff A258 Finding more & more & more things to do before paint. On Jan 4, 2005, at 3:09 AM, R.C.Harrison wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > Hi! Jeff > As I said I'm not sure about the UMA Transducer to which you refer but > the unit I used was the Pos-12 position sender unit supplied by The Ray > Allen Company. It has an operating travel length of 30mm (1.19"). I > found the best solution to provide use of this full range was a point > in > space about 3/16" forward of the Flap Operating Arm (in my case the > port > with the flaps in down position) about 1/14" above the fuselage floor. > I > then bolted on to the arm a piece of flat aluminum suitably drilled for > a slender push rod to operate the sender unit positioned about 9" > behind > the flap drive slot. > The Arc of the drive arm in this arrangement equates to approx. 30mm in > a straight line for the Unit and the bolt on item and hole stay above > the floor. > Since the unit is situated behind and above the flap drive slot I have > shielded it from weather by a passing the link through a "boot" of a > polythene bag completely enclosing the unit and sealed to the push rod. > > I meanwhile guess that you know about the position visual markings > suggested by Europa for P1 to see on the upper surface of the port flap > relative to the wing surface? > > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF > ROBERTS > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Flap Indicator > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > Hello Everyone & Happy New Year, > I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their > indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come > up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs. > Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount > it? > > Thanks, in advance, > Jeff > A258 > One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Flap Indicator --> Europa-List message posted by: I intend to add something a little more simple - a Microswitch and an LED to indicate that the flaps are not set to zero. In the UK, does this constitue a mod - which would require to go through the time consuming PFA approval before the aircraft can be flow with this fitted. Any suggestions as to the best place to pick up the movement for the microswitch? Peter > > From: JEFF ROBERTS > Date: 2005/01/04 Tue PM 02:55:47 GMT > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap Indicator > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > Thanks Bob, > I found a suitable way to mount the transducer. Mine travels like a > dial hand on a clock with the pivot point being the transducer. The > transducer itself is round so I mounted it with a 1 1/2 inch hose clamp > that I connected to a 2 inch square of scrap firewall-wall material. > This I floxed onto the floor under the flap arm. The dial or arm coming > from the transducer comes up about 6 inches and lays into a slot I made > of a piece of aluminum that is clamped to the flap arm. After several > attempts to get it to align with indicator markings of 10 20 & 30 > degrees it works perfect. I just didn't want that awful looking sticker > on my wing. Nor did I want to paint lines there. The indicator and > transducer are in my opinion very over priced but it looks a lot > better. Thanks very much for your response. > Best Regards, > Jeff > A258 > Finding more & more & more things to do before paint. > > On Jan 4, 2005, at 3:09 AM, R.C.Harrison wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > > > > Hi! Jeff > > As I said I'm not sure about the UMA Transducer to which you refer but > > the unit I used was the Pos-12 position sender unit supplied by The Ray > > Allen Company. It has an operating travel length of 30mm (1.19"). I > > found the best solution to provide use of this full range was a point > > in > > space about 3/16" forward of the Flap Operating Arm (in my case the > > port > > with the flaps in down position) about 1/14" above the fuselage floor. > > I > > then bolted on to the arm a piece of flat aluminum suitably drilled for > > a slender push rod to operate the sender unit positioned about 9" > > behind > > the flap drive slot. > > The Arc of the drive arm in this arrangement equates to approx. 30mm in > > a straight line for the Unit and the bolt on item and hole stay above > > the floor. > > Since the unit is situated behind and above the flap drive slot I have > > shielded it from weather by a passing the link through a "boot" of a > > polythene bag completely enclosing the unit and sealed to the push rod. > > > > I meanwhile guess that you know about the position visual markings > > suggested by Europa for P1 to see on the upper surface of the port flap > > relative to the wing surface? > > > > Regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF > > ROBERTS > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Europa-List: Flap Indicator > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > > > Hello Everyone & Happy New Year, > > I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their > > indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come > > up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs. > > Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount > > it? > > > > Thanks, in advance, > > Jeff > > A258 > > One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:56 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Flap Indicator --> Europa-List message posted by: I intend to add something a little more simple - a Microswitch and an LED to indicate that the flaps are not set to zero. In the UK, does this constitue a mod - which would require to go through the time consuming PFA approval before the aircraft can be flow with this fitted. Any suggestions as to the best place to pick up the movement for the microswitch? Peter > > From: JEFF ROBERTS > Date: 2005/01/04 Tue PM 02:55:47 GMT > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap Indicator > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > Thanks Bob, > I found a suitable way to mount the transducer. Mine travels like a > dial hand on a clock with the pivot point being the transducer. The > transducer itself is round so I mounted it with a 1 1/2 inch hose clamp > that I connected to a 2 inch square of scrap firewall-wall material. > This I floxed onto the floor under the flap arm. The dial or arm coming > from the transducer comes up about 6 inches and lays into a slot I made > of a piece of aluminum that is clamped to the flap arm. After several > attempts to get it to align with indicator markings of 10 20 & 30 > degrees it works perfect. I just didn't want that awful looking sticker > on my wing. Nor did I want to paint lines there. The indicator and > transducer are in my opinion very over priced but it looks a lot > better. Thanks very much for your response. > Best Regards, > Jeff > A258 > Finding more & more & more things to do before paint. > > On Jan 4, 2005, at 3:09 AM, R.C.Harrison wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > > > > Hi! Jeff > > As I said I'm not sure about the UMA Transducer to which you refer but > > the unit I used was the Pos-12 position sender unit supplied by The Ray > > Allen Company. It has an operating travel length of 30mm (1.19"). I > > found the best solution to provide use of this full range was a point > > in > > space about 3/16" forward of the Flap Operating Arm (in my case the > > port > > with the flaps in down position) about 1/14" above the fuselage floor. > > I > > then bolted on to the arm a piece of flat aluminum suitably drilled for > > a slender push rod to operate the sender unit positioned about 9" > > behind > > the flap drive slot. > > The Arc of the drive arm in this arrangement equates to approx. 30mm in > > a straight line for the Unit and the bolt on item and hole stay above > > the floor. > > Since the unit is situated behind and above the flap drive slot I have > > shielded it from weather by a passing the link through a "boot" of a > > polythene bag completely enclosing the unit and sealed to the push rod. > > > > I meanwhile guess that you know about the position visual markings > > suggested by Europa for P1 to see on the upper surface of the port flap > > relative to the wing surface? > > > > Regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF > > ROBERTS > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Europa-List: Flap Indicator > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > > > Hello Everyone & Happy New Year, > > I am in the process of trying to install a UMA transducer to feed their > > indicator gauge thats mounts on the panel. I haven't been able to come > > up with a way and a place that I can get the travel the thing needs. > > Has anyone used this unit successfully, and if so where did you mount > > it? > > > > Thanks, in advance, > > Jeff > > A258 > > One of the many things needed before the top goes on. Too late for me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:36 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: TP11 Torque tube bearings --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Thanks Steve. Good method on the plastic sleeves! Thanks again. Happy trails Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:37 PM PST US From: "Dan Bish" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Sourcing --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" Hi all, Like many of you, I've been discouraged lately by the exchange rate driving up the Rotax alternative and was wondering something. I'm sure someone's already considered this but what if someone from the US was going to Europe anyway and wanted to purchase an engine there and have it shipped back home? Don't know if there's any merit to such an idea but I know Mercedes and BMW both have programs where you visit the factory, buy your car, then they assist in having it transported home. I hear you can usually save enough on the car to pay for most of the trip. Anyone given this any thought and, if so, does it pan out after figuring the exchange and freight rates? Ideas anyone? Dan Bish N914RB@earthlink.net Kit A144 - Mono Tucson, AZ, USA