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1. 01:38 AM - (Colin John Howard Richardson)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/04/05 (Graham Singleton)
3. 03:33 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Alan Burrows)
4. 03:41 AM - europa parts wanted (j t)
5. 03:58 AM - Glider Wings (Alan Burrows)
6. 04:35 AM - Re: Glider Wings (Jeremy Davey)
7. 05:34 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Richard Iddon)
8. 06:20 AM - Re: Rotax Sourcing (Davidghillam@aol.com)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals ()
10. 08:28 AM - Re: europa parts wanted (nigel charles)
11. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Richard Iddon)
12. 09:24 AM - Re: Glider Wings (Terry Seaver)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (NevEyre@aol.com)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Rotax Sourcing (Fred Fillinger)
15. 04:15 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 01/03/05 (Graham Singleton)
16. 09:33 PM - Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Andrew Sarangan)
17. 09:49 PM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Cliff Shaw)
18. 11:33 PM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Dear Europa Forum members,
Has anyone had any aircraft work, modifications etc carried out by Southdown Aero
Services at Lasham, England?
If so could you please contact me off list at cjh.richardson@virgin.net or by
phone on +44 (0)1398 361259.
Many thanks and a Happy new Year to you all.
John Richardson.
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/04/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 04/01/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Don't know if there's any merit to such an idea but I know Mercedes and BMW
>both have programs where you visit the factory, buy your car, then they
>assist in having it transported home. I hear you can usually save enough on
>the car to pay for most of the trip. Anyone given this any thought and, if
>so, does it pan out after figuring the exchange and freight rates?
Dan
you might talk to Ernst Keppert <ekeppert@a1.net> he has a contact at
Diamond who used to do work for Rotax Austria where the engines are made.
(Gunther Weinhart)
Don't tell him I told you !!:o)
Ernst has Trevor Jackson's lovely Classic monowheel and has given it a very
attractive home.
Graham
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Subject: | Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Richard
Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully
and am now wondering if that's right?
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing
yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately
I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane).
I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to
fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up
the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it
around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Subject: | europa parts wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com>
hi all
i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft
i have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants
for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to sell
thanks
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi All
Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck
without one
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Alan,
I've sent you a PDF copy - attached to a separate email as this Forum
doesn't allow attachments.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1250 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi All
Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck
without one
Alan
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Subject: | Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Alan,
Yes. Neville advised me to back off the collars .030in. from fully home
and retain them with loctite on the threads. If you tighten them fully,
one of the seals blocks the small holes which allow fluid from the
central reservoir in the cylinder to the ones at the side where the
pistons are.
Richard.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Richard
Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully
and am now wondering if that's right?
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing
yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately
I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane).
I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to
fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up
the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it
around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Sourcing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
Sounds a good idea, but when I was on holiday in Austria a few years back, I
tried to arrange a factory visit (after buying one of their engines). I
spent what felt like hours on the phone over at least two days repeatedly being
told that I had to ring back and speak to someone else. After explaining my
request many times to lots of different people, I eventually spoke to someone
who categorically said that they never do factory visits, using security,
health and safety as reasons.
David
G-SHSH
what if someone from the US was going to Europe
anyway and wanted to purchase an engine there and have it shipped back home?
Don't know if there's any merit to such an idea but I know Mercedes and BMW
both have programs where you visit the factory, buy your car, then they
assist in having it transported home.
Dan Bish
N914RB@earthlink.net
Kit A144 - Mono
Tucson, AZ, USA
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Subject: | Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
I have finger brakes though they seem more like hand brakes as you have to really
pull them hard to make them work at all let alone have any finesse with them.
I think they came with the tri conversion kit from Europa (not too sure as
I didn't do the work)
Are you able to operate your brakes with a reasonable degree of ease? Mine have
very little feel to them (the levers move forward with ease by about an inch
or so but when you pull them from the rest position, they need a good hard pull
before they do much at all. It really spoils the ground handling.
Are they all like this, is it just due to the type of cylinder thats been used
on my setup or do I have a 'dud'?
Peter
>
> From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
> Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 01:33:55 GMT
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> Alan,
>
> Yes. Neville advised me to back off the collars .030in. from fully home
> and retain them with loctite on the threads. If you tighten them fully,
> one of the seals blocks the small holes which allow fluid from the
> central reservoir in the cylinder to the ones at the side where the
> pistons are.
>
> Richard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Burrows
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Richard
>
> Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully
> and am now wondering if that's right?
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Iddon
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing
> yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately
> I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane).
>
> I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to
> fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up
> the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it
> around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | europa parts wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft i
have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants
for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to
sell thanks<
I am upgrading my Classic to XS status so have some Classic firewall
forward parts available should they be of interest.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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Subject: | Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
It may be that your cylinders need cleaning out. It is my understanding
that when delivered new, most of the Europa supplied finger brake
cylinders had a good deal of grey 'gunge' in them hidden in various
places. Neville tells me it is buffing soap, used to polish the
cylinders. It took me quite a long time to get this out of mine
originally and when I stripped them down again last week after approx.
100 hours flying I found that more seemed to have appeared. This stuff
can cause the pistons to stick and the brakes to become stiff.
I have stripped my cylinders down, cleaned them thoroughly again,
replaced the piston & seal assemblies (supplied by Europa) and replaced
all the silicone fluid in the system. My brakes are quite smooth to
operate now and don't need much pressure to become effective.
You might also check the stiffness of your shimmy damper. If set too
stiff, you have to haul on the brakes quite hard to persuade the
nosewheel to change direction.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
peter.rees05@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
I have finger brakes though they seem more like hand brakes as you have
to really pull them hard to make them work at all let alone have any
finesse with them. I think they came with the tri conversion kit from
Europa (not too sure as I didn't do the work)
Are you able to operate your brakes with a reasonable degree of ease?
Mine have very little feel to them (the levers move forward with ease by
about an inch or so but when you pull them from the rest position, they
need a good hard pull before they do much at all. It really spoils the
ground handling.
Are they all like this, is it just due to the type of cylinder thats
been used on my setup or do I have a 'dud'?
Peter
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Subject: | Re: Glider Wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jeremy,
Could you also mail me a copy of the Glider wing manual?
Also,
does anyone out there have the V-speeds for the Europa glider:
Vne ?
Vx, Vy ?
max gear extension speed?
max air-brake extension speed?
stall speed?
minimum sink airspeed?
best glide speed?
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
400 hours on our short wings, still working on the long ones.
Jeremy Davey wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Alan,
>
> I've sent you a PDF copy - attached to a separate email as this Forum
> doesn't allow attachments.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1250 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi All
>
> Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck
> without one
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Alan,
The reply was back off the collar by 0.030'' from fully tight.
Secure with a locking / sealing fluid [Loctite]
Cheers,
Nev.
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Sourcing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> I eventually spoke to someone who
> categorically said that they never
> do factory visits, using security,
> health and safety as reasons.
> David
> G-SHSH
That's interesting. An engineer friend of mine toured the Rotax plant
some years ago. Very impressive, he said. To the contrary, and until
recently they say, the Lycoming plant here was something out the
distant past. Just no workers with handlebar mustaches and those
cloth, what-you-call-em hats.
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 01/03/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 03/01/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
>Karl,
>
>yes you are right. Sorry no diesel, it has a dual electronic ignition. For
>some reason I must interpreted the constant toque over speed diagram and the
>low fuel consumption as a diesel but reading the article again it is
>defiantly not a diesel. The Engine still looks very interesting.
>
>Michael Grass
There is a Smart diesel, Jon Tye has one though I haven't seen it yet. Jon
was the Europa launch customer, he bought kit no. 1 then built it as the
lightest and very straight too.
Graham
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Subject: | Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
I just noticed that the strip on the underside of the wing skin does
not line up with the joggle in the ribs. It is off by about 2 inches. I
searched the archives and found a couple emails about this. It appears
Europa replaced these faulty skins. I wonder if the new Europa will do
anything about this. If not, is there an easy fix I can do myself?
Perhaps cut the ribs to extend the joggles?
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
We just moved the jog on the wing skin. The Europa Factory did not replace
the skins for any of us on the right side of the pond. We were advised to
cut out and lay up 2 ply of BID in the aria.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=index
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I just noticed that the strip on the underside of the wing skin does
> not line up with the joggle in the ribs. It is off by about 2 inches. I
> searched the archives and found a couple emails about this. It appears
> Europa replaced these faulty skins. I wonder if the new Europa will do
> anything about this. If not, is there an easy fix I can do myself?
> Perhaps cut the ribs to extend the joggles?
>
>
> =====
> Andrew Sarangan
> http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Andrew,
That was one of the OOPS! that was found in many of the kits sold. Here in
the States, the company had us remove the section of reinforcement on the skin
and add a strip of foam covered by two layers of BID. I may still have the
written instructions if you need them.
I remember one builder that just repositioned the joggles at each rib.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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