---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/05/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:38 AM - (Colin John Howard Richardson) 2. 03:18 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/04/05 (Graham Singleton) 3. 03:33 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Alan Burrows) 4. 03:41 AM - europa parts wanted (j t) 5. 03:58 AM - Glider Wings (Alan Burrows) 6. 04:35 AM - Re: Glider Wings (Jeremy Davey) 7. 05:34 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Richard Iddon) 8. 06:20 AM - Re: Rotax Sourcing (Davidghillam@aol.com) 9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals () 10. 08:28 AM - Re: europa parts wanted (nigel charles) 11. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Richard Iddon) 12. 09:24 AM - Re: Glider Wings (Terry Seaver) 13. 11:14 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (NevEyre@aol.com) 14. 12:13 PM - Re: Rotax Sourcing (Fred Fillinger) 15. 04:15 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 01/03/05 (Graham Singleton) 16. 09:33 PM - Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Andrew Sarangan) 17. 09:49 PM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Cliff Shaw) 18. 11:33 PM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (DuaneFamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:02 AM PST US From: "Colin John Howard Richardson" Subject: Europa-List: 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header --> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson" Dear Europa Forum members, Has anyone had any aircraft work, modifications etc carried out by Southdown Aero Services at Lasham, England? If so could you please contact me off list at cjh.richardson@virgin.net or by phone on +44 (0)1398 361259. Many thanks and a Happy new Year to you all. John Richardson. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:44 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/04/05 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 04/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Don't know if there's any merit to such an idea but I know Mercedes and BMW >both have programs where you visit the factory, buy your car, then they >assist in having it transported home. I hear you can usually save enough on >the car to pay for most of the trip. Anyone given this any thought and, if >so, does it pan out after figuring the exchange and freight rates? Dan you might talk to Ernst Keppert he has a contact at Diamond who used to do work for Rotax Austria where the engines are made. (Gunther Weinhart) Don't tell him I told you !!:o) Ernst has Trevor Jackson's lovely Classic monowheel and has given it a very attractive home. Graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:31 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Richard Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully and am now wondering if that's right? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane). I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home. Can anyone enlighten me? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:19 AM PST US From: "j t" Subject: Europa-List: europa parts wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" hi all i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft i have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to sell thanks Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:23 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi All Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck without one Alan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:08 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Glider Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Alan, I've sent you a PDF copy - attached to a separate email as this Forum doesn't allow attachments. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi All Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck without one Alan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:59 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Alan, Yes. Neville advised me to back off the collars .030in. from fully home and retain them with loctite on the threads. If you tighten them fully, one of the seals blocks the small holes which allow fluid from the central reservoir in the cylinder to the ones at the side where the pistons are. Richard. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Richard Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully and am now wondering if that's right? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane). I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home. Can anyone enlighten me? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:36 AM PST US From: Davidghillam@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Sourcing --> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com Sounds a good idea, but when I was on holiday in Austria a few years back, I tried to arrange a factory visit (after buying one of their engines). I spent what felt like hours on the phone over at least two days repeatedly being told that I had to ring back and speak to someone else. After explaining my request many times to lots of different people, I eventually spoke to someone who categorically said that they never do factory visits, using security, health and safety as reasons. David G-SHSH what if someone from the US was going to Europe anyway and wanted to purchase an engine there and have it shipped back home? Don't know if there's any merit to such an idea but I know Mercedes and BMW both have programs where you visit the factory, buy your car, then they assist in having it transported home. Dan Bish N914RB@earthlink.net Kit A144 - Mono Tucson, AZ, USA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:16 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: I have finger brakes though they seem more like hand brakes as you have to really pull them hard to make them work at all let alone have any finesse with them. I think they came with the tri conversion kit from Europa (not too sure as I didn't do the work) Are you able to operate your brakes with a reasonable degree of ease? Mine have very little feel to them (the levers move forward with ease by about an inch or so but when you pull them from the rest position, they need a good hard pull before they do much at all. It really spoils the ground handling. Are they all like this, is it just due to the type of cylinder thats been used on my setup or do I have a 'dud'? Peter > > From: "Richard Iddon" > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 01:33:55 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" > > Alan, > > Yes. Neville advised me to back off the collars .030in. from fully home > and retain them with loctite on the threads. If you tighten them fully, > one of the seals blocks the small holes which allow fluid from the > central reservoir in the cylinder to the ones at the side where the > pistons are. > > Richard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Burrows > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > > Richard > > Did you get a reply to this one as I have tightened the collar up fully > and am now wondering if that's right? > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Iddon > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" > > I had a seal on one side of my finger brake cylinder fail whist taxiing > yesterday, causing me to taxi in ever decreasing circles. (Fortunately > I was able to cut the engine before I disappeared up my own tailplane). > > I have a set of replacement pistons / cylinders which I am intending to > fit but I seem to recall that there is something odd about tightening up > the collar which retains them. From memory I think I should leave it > around 1 or 2 mm. away from being fully home. > > Can anyone enlighten me? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:53 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa parts wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" >i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft i have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to sell thanks< I am upgrading my Classic to XS status so have some Classic firewall forward parts available should they be of interest. Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:24 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" It may be that your cylinders need cleaning out. It is my understanding that when delivered new, most of the Europa supplied finger brake cylinders had a good deal of grey 'gunge' in them hidden in various places. Neville tells me it is buffing soap, used to polish the cylinders. It took me quite a long time to get this out of mine originally and when I stripped them down again last week after approx. 100 hours flying I found that more seemed to have appeared. This stuff can cause the pistons to stick and the brakes to become stiff. I have stripped my cylinders down, cleaned them thoroughly again, replaced the piston & seal assemblies (supplied by Europa) and replaced all the silicone fluid in the system. My brakes are quite smooth to operate now and don't need much pressure to become effective. You might also check the stiffness of your shimmy damper. If set too stiff, you have to haul on the brakes quite hard to persuade the nosewheel to change direction. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter.rees05@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: I have finger brakes though they seem more like hand brakes as you have to really pull them hard to make them work at all let alone have any finesse with them. I think they came with the tri conversion kit from Europa (not too sure as I didn't do the work) Are you able to operate your brakes with a reasonable degree of ease? Mine have very little feel to them (the levers move forward with ease by about an inch or so but when you pull them from the rest position, they need a good hard pull before they do much at all. It really spoils the ground handling. Are they all like this, is it just due to the type of cylinder thats been used on my setup or do I have a 'dud'? Peter ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:20 AM PST US From: Terry Seaver Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glider Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver Hi Jeremy, Could you also mail me a copy of the Glider wing manual? Also, does anyone out there have the V-speeds for the Europa glider: Vne ? Vx, Vy ? max gear extension speed? max air-brake extension speed? stall speed? minimum sink airspeed? best glide speed? regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD 400 hours on our short wings, still working on the long ones. Jeremy Davey wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > Alan, > > I've sent you a PDF copy - attached to a separate email as this Forum > doesn't allow attachments. > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1250 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > > Hi All > > Has anyone got a build manual for the glider wings as I am now stuck > without one > > Alan > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:00 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Alan, The reply was back off the collar by 0.030'' from fully tight. Secure with a locking / sealing fluid [Loctite] Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:28 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Sourcing --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > I eventually spoke to someone who > categorically said that they never > do factory visits, using security, > health and safety as reasons. > David > G-SHSH That's interesting. An engineer friend of mine toured the Rotax plant some years ago. Very impressive, he said. To the contrary, and until recently they say, the Lycoming plant here was something out the distant past. Just no workers with handlebar mustaches and those cloth, what-you-call-em hats. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:32 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 01/03/05 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 03/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > >Karl, > >yes you are right. Sorry no diesel, it has a dual electronic ignition. For >some reason I must interpreted the constant toque over speed diagram and the >low fuel consumption as a diesel but reading the article again it is >defiantly not a diesel. The Engine still looks very interesting. > >Michael Grass There is a Smart diesel, Jon Tye has one though I haven't seen it yet. Jon was the Europa launch customer, he bought kit no. 1 then built it as the lightest and very straight too. Graham -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:12 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan I just noticed that the strip on the underside of the wing skin does not line up with the joggle in the ribs. It is off by about 2 inches. I searched the archives and found a couple emails about this. It appears Europa replaced these faulty skins. I wonder if the new Europa will do anything about this. If not, is there an easy fix I can do myself? Perhaps cut the ribs to extend the joggles? ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:28 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" We just moved the jog on the wing skin. The Europa Factory did not replace the skins for any of us on the right side of the pond. We were advised to cut out and lay up 2 ply of BID in the aria. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sarangan" Subject: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle > --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan > > > I just noticed that the strip on the underside of the wing skin does > not line up with the joggle in the ribs. It is off by about 2 inches. I > searched the archives and found a couple emails about this. It appears > Europa replaced these faulty skins. I wonder if the new Europa will do > anything about this. If not, is there an easy fix I can do myself? > Perhaps cut the ribs to extend the joggles? > > > ===== > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.geocities.com/asarangan > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:35 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Andrew, That was one of the OOPS! that was found in many of the kits sold. Here in the States, the company had us remove the section of reinforcement on the skin and add a strip of foam covered by two layers of BID. I may still have the written instructions if you need them. I remember one builder that just repositioned the joggles at each rib. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that.