Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 01/06/05


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:41 AM - Re: Finger Brake cylinder seals (Alan Burrows)
     2. 01:49 AM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Jeremy Davey)
     3. 03:39 AM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (SteveD)
     4. 06:40 AM - Re: europa parts wanted (j t)
     5. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: europa parts wanted ()
     6. 07:40 AM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (John & Amy Eckel)
     7. 07:55 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (UVTReith@aol.com)
     8. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: europa parts wanted (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
     9. 10:04 AM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (Jeremy Davey)
    10. 10:22 AM - Re: europa parts wanted (ctsmallwood)
    11. 01:42 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Fred R. Klein)
    12. 02:05 PM - Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle (DvdPar@aol.com)
    13. 08:03 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Michael Grass)
    14. 08:49 PM - Flight testing (Paul McAllister)
    15. 11:21 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (NevEyre@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:41:49 AM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: Finger Brake cylinder seals
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Thanks Nev That might be my problem I'll try it. Happy New Year Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brake cylinder seals --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Alan, The reply was back off the collar by 0.030'' from fully tight. Secure with a locking / sealing fluid [Loctite] Cheers, Nev.


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    Time: 01:49:22 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> In fairness to the factory, I think that solution was applied worldwide! Andrew, if Mike can't find those instructions, I'm sure that if you contact the new factory, Andy will email them to you. I'm not sure I'd like to fly in the one with the moved joggles on the ribs... That bump is there for a reason :-( Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Andrew, That was one of the OOPS! that was found in many of the kits sold. Here in the States, the company had us remove the section of reinforcement on the skin and add a strip of foam covered by two layers of BID. I may still have the written instructions if you need them. I remember one builder that just repositioned the joggles at each rib. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that.


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    Time: 03:39:03 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
    From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
    2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> Andrew, the PDF file is posted at: http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=102 If that link is broken, go to http://www.europaowners.org/ Downloads, Service bulletins, #8 =, 8 Port wing closure panel. All manual updates, service bulletins, Manuals (upon request), that I have are available. Also some of Grahams mods so you can see what's involved in the mod. Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/


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    Time: 06:40:34 AM PST US
    From: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com>
    Subject: europa parts wanted
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com> do u know exactly yet what u have >From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa parts wanted >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:28:19 -0000 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" ><nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> > > >i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft i >have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants >for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to >sell thanks< > >I am upgrading my Classic to XS status so have some Classic firewall >forward parts available should they be of interest. > >Regards > >Nigel Charles > > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/


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    Time: 07:06:35 AM PST US
    From: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: europa parts wanted
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> I have a set of classic cowls, front leg (less tyre), 2 outriggers and a tail wheel if interested. P > > From: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com> > Date: 2005/01/06 Thu PM 02:38:40 GMT > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa parts wanted > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com> > > do u know exactly yet what u have > > > >From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> > >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > >Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa parts wanted > >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:28:19 -0000 > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" > ><nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> > > > > >i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft i > >have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants > >for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to > >sell thanks< > > > >I am upgrading my Classic to XS status so have some Classic firewall > >forward parts available should they be of interest. > > > >Regards > > > >Nigel Charles > > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/


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    Time: 07:40:03 AM PST US
    From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> Jeremy, I am the builder that Mike Duane referred to. I moved the joggles in the wing ribs to accommodate the rib on the wing skin. My reasoning is that it is not good to break the line of the skin rib with a joggle, but better to move the joggle in the wing rib so the rib on the skin would be straight. I checked with Andy and Neville before making the change and got their okay. I think this is a stronger solution, although the factory fix will work just fine. The reason there is a rib on the skin is that during flight it was observed that the skin buckled between the ribs during high G maneuvers. The rib fixed that problem. If anyone is interested in more detail on how I did this I will be glad to accommodate. Regards, John Eckel, A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> > > In fairness to the factory, I think that solution was applied worldwide! > Andrew, if Mike can't find those instructions, I'm sure that if you > contact > the new factory, Andy will email them to you. > > I'm not sure I'd like to fly in the one with the moved joggles on the > ribs... That bump is there for a reason :-( > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1250 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > DuaneFamly@aol.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle > > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Andrew, > > That was one of the OOPS! that was found in many of the kits sold. Here in > the States, the company had us remove the section of reinforcement on the > skin > and add a strip of foam covered by two layers of BID. I may still have the > written instructions if you need them. > > I remember one builder that just repositioned the joggles at each rib. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before > that. > > >


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    Time: 07:55:38 AM PST US
    From: UVTReith@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
    --> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com In einer eMail vom 04.01.2005 06:20:42 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt M.Grass@comcast.net: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Karl, yes you are right. Sorry no diesel, it has a dual electronic ignition. For some reason I must interpreted the constant toque over speed diagram and the low fuel consumption as a diesel but reading the article again it is defiantly not a diesel. The Engine still looks very interesting. Michael Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options > --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com> > > > The M160 looks promising, but I can't find any reference that this is a > Diesel. > > Karl > > >>From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Reply-To: >>europa-list@matronics.com To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: >>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options Date: Mon, 3 >>Jan 2005 16:53:46 -0500 >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> >> >>A happy new year and a thank you to all who have a replied to my >>questions. >> >>It for sure did not made my decision much easier but I still will likely >>to >>go with the 914 engine. At present, I can not come up with an economical=20 >>or >>logical rather an emotional decision. Logical would be to buy an aircraft >>Economical would mean to rent an aircraft. Emotional means to put in the >>smoothest engine with the most power and altitude capabilities I can >>afford. >> >>BTW, for all those who feel the need to go with an automotive engine, >>there >>is a German engineer working on an conversion engine from the European >>SMART car. This engine is a turbocharged and fuel injected 82 hp diesel >>engine with only 11 lbs more weight then the 912 (without the S) but has >>much better torque / rpm characteristics. http://www.ecofly.de/ According >>to the German flier magazine "Aerokurier 9/2004" this guy is currently >>working on a 100 HP version and has plans to install it in to a Europa. >>Maybe Bruno, the Europa distributor in Germany could shine a bit more >>light >>on this one. >> >>Graham, Yes, Jim Price is my tech councilor and also looked after Thomas >>Scherer's bird. He is a very knowledgeable mechanical and electrical >>engineer and is with me on my wishful dream to go with the lower >>compression engine. Also I am very interested in the Kremen CS prop. >>Fortunately I still can wait with the decision of the prop but think that >>I >>should order the FWF kit very soon. >> >>Michael Grass A266 Trigear, Detroit Mi >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" >><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: >>Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options >> >> >> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > >><graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> > > At 23:56 19/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >>--> >>Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> >> >>What >>makes more sense: To get first the 914 kit and then, if I change my >>mind >>(means >>I cant afford the 914) upgrade to the 912? Or get the 912 package >>and have >>left over's? I would hate to buy parts I do not need. If >>somebody has the >>packing list from both that would be great so I could >>see what I really >>would >>get from Europa. >> >>The last of the set of >>questions: >>I know some of you where interested about the Kremen CS Prop. >>Are there >>any Europas >>Michael Grass >>A266 Trigear, Detroit MI, > > >>Michael > whose your tech councilor? Jim Price? He was Thomas Scherer's >>remember > him? > Kremen is the cheapest and looks OK . I like the Arplast >>(French) still > economical, > 914 is the smoothest engine and is very >>good >>at high density altitude. > Plenty of that in the West. > Graham > > > >> >> >>Forums. >> >> > > > Hi friends, the M160 is a 82 HP 3-Cylinder turbocharched petrol engine from smart (Mercedes) and comes together with a Fly-Control System, called MIP-System.=20 This is similar to the Rotax Fly-Dat, but can do much more. It will also prevent the engine for overheating etc. The engine drive shaft is operating via a cetrifugal clutch (out of the motorbice racing business) a very strong tooth-belt and via this a strong made prop shaft. Otto Funk, the founder and (still) owner, together with his son of the microlight planes FK 9, FK 14 etc. has developed the aircraft side of this =20smart motor and founded for that the company ecofly. They have flown a FK 9 with this M160 smart engine more than 1.900 hours and stripped it down. There was anything like new. The vibrations are very low and the prop will start to spin, when the engine runs at about 1.200 rpm. BUT: This engine was not good enough for my baby (Monowheel XS). The Mercedes-Benz tuner BRABUS has upgrated this nice engine to 102 HP. At present ecofly has one of this engines on test in a FK 9 Mark 4 and will get two smart-BRABUS engines during January, one for my baby and one for a Katana!!! I have supplied ecofly with a front part of the XS and the cowling last year. They meanwhile have developed/constructed an engine mounting frame for the Europa. We think, that we also can use the XS cowling without a lot of big changes, as the intake openings are similar to the FK 9. We estimate, that the complete firewall package up to the Prop flange(engine, mounting frame, cowling, MIP-System and the starter box) will be available during spring time this year. The complete price is not fixed yet, but will be definately by some thousand dollars or euros below the 912S version. At present they are using a fix Warp Drive Prop. All changes like adjustable prop, if Kremen or Warp Drive will be possible and will be the decission of the builder. Ecofly will offer up to the Prop flange. But there is still a small problem for me. The engine do not have a direct drive for a vacuum pump, but there is a belt drive available, normally used for an air condition pump. But we will solve this point. When we have made the installation and the first test runs etc. I will report to whom, who is interested in this really good alternative. I wish you all a happy successful and stressless new year with a loi of nice flights. Kind Regards, Bruno Reith / Europa Aircraft Distributor _www.europa-aircraft.de_ (http://www.europa-aircraft.de) _www.ecofly.de_ (http://www.ecofly.de)


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    Time: 08:47:34 AM PST US
    From: Lmorgan822@aol.com
    Subject: Re: europa parts wanted
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com I have a complete phase I kit; elevators, ailonrons, flaps, rudder, and associated hardware. They were professionally constructed and finished. They are ready for installation and paint. Larry Morgan 503-804-5508 lmorgan822@aol.com


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    Time: 10:04:14 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> John, Thanks for the info - most interesting. If Andy and Neville OK's it, I'll fly with you any time :-) I'm sure you know where I was coming from - I've seen some dodgy work in my time! Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Amy Eckel Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> Jeremy, I am the builder that Mike Duane referred to. I moved the joggles in the wing ribs to accommodate the rib on the wing skin. My reasoning is that it is not good to break the line of the skin rib with a joggle, but better to move the joggle in the wing rib so the rib on the skin would be straight. I checked with Andy and Neville before making the change and got their okay. I think this is a stronger solution, although the factory fix will work just fine. The reason there is a rib on the skin is that during flight it was observed that the skin buckled between the ribs during high G maneuvers. The rib fixed that problem. If anyone is interested in more detail on how I did this I will be glad to accommodate. Regards, John Eckel, A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> > > In fairness to the factory, I think that solution was applied worldwide! > Andrew, if Mike can't find those instructions, I'm sure that if you > contact > the new factory, Andy will email them to you. > > I'm not sure I'd like to fly in the one with the moved joggles on the > ribs... That bump is there for a reason :-( > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1250 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > DuaneFamly@aol.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle > > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Andrew, > > That was one of the OOPS! that was found in many of the kits sold. Here in > the States, the company had us remove the section of reinforcement on the > skin > and add a strip of foam covered by two layers of BID. I may still have the > written instructions if you need them. > > I remember one builder that just repositioned the joggles at each rib. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before > that. > > >


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    Time: 10:22:36 AM PST US
    From: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com>
    Subject: Re: europa parts wanted
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com> Hi If your Europa is a MonoI have,as new the kit .U/cart ,wheel etc as we converted to Tri gear on initial build Regards Colin Smallwood Derbyshire 01773570329 ----- Original Message ----- From: j t <lansair4p@hotmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: europa parts wanted > --> Europa-List message posted by: "j t" <lansair4p@hotmail.com> > > hi all > i am looking for europa parts for a rebuild of a crashed aircraft > i have managed to save the top half of the fus and i have most componants > for the cokpit module is there any one that has any parts the want to sell > thanks > > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > >


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    Time: 01:42:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
    From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Bruno, Thanks for your post...very interesting! A couple of questions (indented as follows): on 1/6/05 7:43 AM, UVTReith@aol.com at UVTReith@aol.com wrote: > > the M160 is a 82 HP 3-Cylinder turbocharched petrol engine from smart > (Mercedes) and comes together with a Fly-Control System, called MIP-System. > This is similar to the Rotax Fly-Dat, but can do much more. It will also > prevent the engine for overheating etc. > BUT: > This engine was not good enough for my baby (Monowheel XS). > The Mercedes-Benz tuner BRABUS has upgrated this nice engine to 102 HP. What is the the source of the increase in power from 82 to 102 hp? What is the weight of this puppy? Fred A194


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    Time: 02:05:48 PM PST US
    From: DvdPar@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Wing top skin strip does not line up with joggle
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com Hi John, I had the same problem with the wing rib joggles when it first appeared. Also before the mod was published. I contacted Europa at that time and got the OK to move the joggles in the wing ribs and made sure there was plenty of Araldite around the area when applying the skin. As I remember ther was certainly no more that an inch in the error. Regards Dave Park Manchester UK PS Top on now, rudder hung, instruments etc next(XS)


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    Time: 08:03:34 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Fred, just looking at the (German and UK) web site of the Smart car Smart makes a statement that this motor weighs 60KG or about 132 pounds http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html engine * 3-cylinder suprex turbo engine (698 cc) with charge cooler * electronic power management * softip - automated sequential 6-speed transmission * softouch - automatic gear programme with kickdown function * weighing in at just 60kg, this lightweight engine delivers excellent fuel economy. It's also compliant with the EU4 exhaust gas standard, which means you pay lower car tax. softip offers close ratios and optimised gear-change sequences and softouch includes a kickdown function, enabling spontaneous gear shifts via the accelerator. The Smart USA website www.usa.smart.com give next to no useful information other then that Smart will be here in Detroit at the Auto show in a few days. Looks like they will push on to the north American market as well , means parts will be maybe available here then ?? :<) . BTW it is the engine from the Roadster and is engineered by Mercedes Benz. Starts to get more and more interesting Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Bruno, > > Thanks for your post...very interesting! > > A couple of questions (indented as follows): > > on 1/6/05 7:43 AM, UVTReith@aol.com at UVTReith@aol.com wrote: > > >> >> the M160 is a 82 HP 3-Cylinder turbocharched petrol engine from smart >> (Mercedes) and comes together with a Fly-Control System, called >> MIP-System. >> This is similar to the Rotax Fly-Dat, but can do much more. It will also >> prevent the engine for overheating etc. > >> BUT: >> This engine was not good enough for my baby (Monowheel XS). >> The Mercedes-Benz tuner BRABUS has upgrated this nice engine to 102 HP. > > What is the the source of the increase in power from 82 to 102 hp? > > What is the weight of this puppy? > > Fred > A194 > > >


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    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Flight testing
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I just thought I'd let you know that I have published an update to my web site detailing how I went about test flying my Europa. If you go to the left hand pane you will see an expandable link titled "Flying Experiences" http://europa363.versadev.com/ Cheers, Paul


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    Time: 11:21:00 PM PST US
    From: NevEyre@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options
    --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi All, My previous comments about running automotive power units at full power for long periods still applies, these motors are fitted to silly little'' eco warrior'' cars, usually driven by ''Greenpeace tree huggers'', they might do a lot to help prevent global warming, but looking at one [ addmitedly only from the outside] I can't see it meeting our needs. Before you all through your money away, wait until there are a 100 of them flying, with over a thousand hours on each, then get your wallet out. The mythical ''wonder motor'' is still a dream, this 'aint it . Cheers, Nev.




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