---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/07/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:23 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Kingsley Hurst) 2. 01:16 AM - Europa XS 914 Trigear 1/2 share for sale (Eamonn Sheridan) 3. 02:19 AM - Autopilot Advice (Alan Burrows) 4. 02:48 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice () 5. 03:31 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (UVTReith@aol.com) 6. 05:04 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Jeremy Davey) 7. 05:09 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Rob Huntington) 8. 05:10 AM - Re: Flap position warning (Richard Iddon) 9. 05:14 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Rob Huntington) 10. 09:01 AM - Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) (Alan Burrows) 11. 09:50 AM - Rotax and IFR (Andrew Sarangan) 12. 10:09 AM - Re: Rotax and IFR (Jeremy Davey) 13. 02:19 PM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Duncan McFadyean) 14. 02:23 PM - Re: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) (NevEyre@aol.com) 15. 02:25 PM - Old tailwheel (Duncan McFadyean) 16. 02:33 PM - Re: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) (Peter Rees) 17. 03:01 PM - Re: Old tailwheel (Richard Holder) 18. 03:32 PM - Re: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) (R.C.Harrison) 19. 03:32 PM - Re: Old tailwheel (R.C.Harrison) 20. 04:23 PM - [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 21. 05:03 PM - Re: Autopilot Advice () 22. 05:32 PM - Trio Autopilots (Tony Renshaw) 23. 06:40 PM - Prices on Parts (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 24. 08:35 PM - Re: Prices on Parts (SteveD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:39 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > My previous comments about running automotive power units at full power for > long periods still applies, these motors are fitted to silly little'' eco > warrior'' cars, usually driven by ''Greenpeace tree huggers'' Oh Yee of little faith Nev. Are you not putting yourself out on the limb of one of those Greenpeace huggers trees making these bold projections ? However, I will be surprised if you are wrong. Regards Kingsley Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:12 AM PST US From: "Eamonn Sheridan" Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS 914 Trigear 1/2 share for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Eamonn Sheridan" I have a Europa XS 914 Turbo Tri-gear half share for sale. Built to a very high standard in 1999, she is based at Biggin Hill Kent. The aircraft has everything that you would wish for in a Europa, Constant speed prop, Full instrument panel, Nav Com, Transponder with Mode C. Skymap, Autopilot / Wing leveller. Finger brakes, Large flatbed trailer adapted for the Tri-gear, replacement engine fund (1000 Hrs) plus lots of other goodies. Airframe and engine have about 200 Hrs total. I'll check on that. I just never get the time to fly her now. I'm looking for offers in the region of =A319,900. You can view details and photos at http://www.alouette.org.uk/europa.htm Eamonn Sheridan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:49 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Everyone Firstly Happy New Year to all Can anyone help me with advice as to which type of autopilot to buy as I am now considering fitting one. I have a skymap III installed and an Apollo SL30 with VOR/GS and it would be nice to have an autopilot that linked to at least one if not both of these. I have been advised to go for either the Navaid or Truetrak, but I have no experience or knowledge of either ? Alan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:59 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: I'm looking at going down the Trio EZ Pilot route - the hardware is very similar indeed to the Navaids one (which I hope is going to make the Mod approval process easier) but, it seems to offer a whole load more features (including solid state gyros) for not much more money. If you would be interested in this unit, we could work on the mod approval together and maybe rival the hold that the Navaids unit seems to have. if you want to discuss it off list, I'm pxr@globalnet.co.uk Peter Rees > > From: "Alan Burrows" > Date: 2005/01/07 Fri AM 10:19:02 GMT > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > Hi Everyone > Firstly Happy New Year to all > Can anyone help me with advice as to which type of autopilot to buy as I > am now considering fitting one. I have a skymap III installed and an > Apollo SL30 with VOR/GS and it would be nice to have an autopilot that > linked to at least one if not both of these. I have been advised to go > for either the Navaid or Truetrak, but I have no experience or knowledge > of either ? > > Alan > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:37 AM PST US From: UVTReith@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options --> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com In einer eMail vom 06.01.2005 22:44:12 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt fklein@orcasonline.com: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" Bruno, Thanks for your post...very interesting! A couple of questions (indented as follows): on 1/6/05 7:43 AM, UVTReith@aol.com at UVTReith@aol.com wrote: > > the M160 is a 82 HP 3-Cylinder turbocharched petrol engine from smart > (Mercedes) and comes together with a Fly-Control System, called MIP-System. > This is similar to the Rotax Fly-Dat, but can do much more. It will also > prevent the engine for overheating etc. > BUT: > This engine was not good enough for my baby (Monowheel XS). > The Mercedes-Benz tuner BRABUS has upgrated this nice engine to 102 HP. What is the the source of the increase in power from 82 to 102 hp? What is the weight of this puppy? Fred A194 Hi Fred, I have had just a short phonecall with Otto Funk and can give now some extra information: 1.) Source of Increase from 82 - 102 HP: Another Turbocharcher and increasing of the manifold pressure. For this Mercedes made stronger crankshaft bearings and the valves out of better material. The outer size of the engine is the same to the 82 HP 2.) Weight of this puppy The total weight - Firewall forward including anything without cowling and prop is 86 kg at present. They will change the generator to a lighter one and will reduce weight on the stainless steel exhaust. Estimated weight saving will be 3-4 kg. Competition: They had test flown two FK9 microlight (one with Rotax 912S / one with 82 hp smart) and worked out, that the power of the 912S was less (beginning at 500-600 mtr) than the smart engine. News: Now they have installed the 60 hp turbocharched smart diesel into a Silence single seater, normally equipped with the Jabiru 2200. The weight of the smart diesel (firewall foreward as before) is about 96-98 kg. For more info, please feel free to contact me at any time. Kind Regards, Bruno ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:02 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" TruTracks seem to be going down well, too. I have one in G-EZZA, and I'm aware of a few now being installed in the UK. Feedback is that that servos are rather higher quality than the Navaid ones - apparently there have been problems in the past in the area. I particularly like the point that you can trade in your TruTrack head at any point for a higher-level model - and just pay the difference. SO I could trade in my alt-hold model for a VS model if I found a need. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter.rees05@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: I'm looking at going down the Trio EZ Pilot route - the hardware is very similar indeed to the Navaids one (which I hope is going to make the Mod approval process easier) but, it seems to offer a whole load more features (including solid state gyros) for not much more money. If you would be interested in this unit, we could work on the mod approval together and maybe rival the hold that the Navaids unit seems to have. if you want to discuss it off list, I'm pxr@globalnet.co.uk Peter Rees > > From: "Alan Burrows" > Date: 2005/01/07 Fri AM 10:19:02 GMT > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > Hi Everyone > Firstly Happy New Year to all > Can anyone help me with advice as to which type of autopilot to buy as I > am now considering fitting one. I have a skymap III installed and an > Apollo SL30 with VOR/GS and it would be nice to have an autopilot that > linked to at least one if not both of these. I have been advised to go > for either the Navaid or Truetrak, but I have no experience or knowledge > of either ? > > Alan > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:51 AM PST US From: Rob Huntington Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options --> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington To all, Heed with earnest Nev's advice about automobile conversions. Having been a part of numerous (more than 10) auto conversions on both a personal and professional level, any savings (typically less than 10%) over a proven design is mitigated by the fact that re-engineering (engine mount, cowling, propeller, cooling system, redundancy, etc.) typically adds a minimum of 300% to the firewall forward process, and usually results in a proven design being used in the end. Don't forget, you are going to be up in the air when you are trusting the engine to work and there's no place to pull over as in a car when things go wrong. Just my 2 cents (US) worth. Regards, Rob Huntington Phoenix Composites 4863 E. Falcon Dr. Mesa, AZ 85215 ph (480) 924-9750 email robertodue2002@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:37 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap position warning --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Further to my recent post below, I have now found and installed a suitable 'flaps not up' warner. I used an auto interior light switch, the type that fits in the hinge side of the door and switches the lights on when you open the door. Bought from my local car accessory shop for about 1. I mounted this in the aft bulkhead of the well in the baggage bay for the main gear supports of my tri-gear. It is in such a position that the flap tube depresses the button and switches the warning light off when it is in the fully up position. Took a wire to the panel and connected it to a Europa supplied red l.e.d. (2.50) which I positioned just above the flap breaker which in my layout is also close to the flap switch. Now, red light on, flaps not up, red light off, flaps up. Cheap, simple, effective and works a treat. (Might be a bit more difficult in a mono where the well is exposed and used for storage). Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Flap position warning --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I have a bad habit when things get a little busy, of forgetting to raise my flaps occasionally after take off. I wondered if anyone had fitted a 'flap not up' indicator, perhaps a light or similar. I have considered a momentary switch, normally closed, mounted adjacent to the flap tube and depressed (to switch the light off) when the flaps were fully up. This would illuminate an indicator light on the panel whenever the flaps were not fully up but so far haven't been able to find something suitable. Any other idea's? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:23 AM PST US From: Rob Huntington Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington Hi Alan, I would recommend the TruTrak Pictoral Pilot over the Navaid wholeheartedly, having installed both. Regards, Rob Huntington Phoenix Composites 4863 E. Falcon Dr. Mesa, AZ 85215 ph (480) 924-9750 email robertodue2002@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:56 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" To Europaphiles everywhere. To One and All, From me ("the wishor") to you ("the wishee") Please accept without obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the summer solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. We wish you a financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2005, but with due respect for the calendars of your choice of other cultures or sects, and having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform or sexual preference of the wishee. By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that: This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal. This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall be made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the wishor are acknowledged. This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement any of the wishes. This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or the restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishes in certain jurisdictions and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wishor. This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected within the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first. The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor. Any references in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our Saviour", "Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer" or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious, dead or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of this greeting and all proprietary rights in any referenced third party names and images hereby acknowledged. This greeting is made under laws of the Commonwealth of Australia, The United Kingdom and the United States of America, in the English language (Microsoft UK Version). Merry Christmas to all and have a Happy New Year for 2005. Alan ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:21 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Rotax and IFR --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan Why does the operators manual for the 914 say that aircraft equipped with this engine must only fly in VFR conditions? ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:55 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax and IFR --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" The cynic in me wants to reply: "Because you haven't paid thousands of pounds/dollars/euros more for the certified version? The label on yours is different to the certified one." Probably not entirely accurate, but possibly not entirely inaccurate, either! Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1250 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Rotax and IFR --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan Why does the operators manual for the 914 say that aircraft equipped with this engine must only fly in VFR conditions? ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:23 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Answer to Fred's questions: <> Material on the web site says installed weight of 11lbs more than a 912S. <> Easy; turn up the boost (until it goes 'pop')! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > Fred, > > just looking at the (German and UK) web site of the Smart car > Smart makes a statement that this motor weighs 60KG or about 132 pounds > > http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html > > engine > * 3-cylinder suprex turbo engine (698 cc) with charge cooler > * electronic power management > * softip - automated sequential 6-speed transmission > * softouch - automatic gear programme with kickdown function > * weighing in at just 60kg, this lightweight engine delivers excellent fuel > economy. It's also compliant with the EU4 exhaust gas standard, which means > you pay lower car tax. softip offers close ratios and optimised gear-change > sequences and softouch includes a kickdown function, enabling spontaneous > gear shifts via the accelerator. > > > The Smart USA website www.usa.smart.com give next to no useful information > other then that Smart will be here in Detroit at the Auto show in a few > days. Looks like they will push on to the north American market as well , > means parts will be maybe available here then ?? :<) . BTW it is the > engine from the Roadster and is engineered by Mercedes Benz. > > > Starts to get more and more interesting > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear > Detroit, MI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred R. Klein" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > > > > > > Bruno, > > > > Thanks for your post...very interesting! > > > > A couple of questions (indented as follows): > > > > on 1/6/05 7:43 AM, UVTReith@aol.com at UVTReith@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> > >> the M160 is a 82 HP 3-Cylinder turbocharched petrol engine from smart > >> (Mercedes) and comes together with a Fly-Control System, called > >> MIP-System. > >> This is similar to the Rotax Fly-Dat, but can do much more. It will also > >> prevent the engine for overheating etc. > > > >> BUT: > >> This engine was not good enough for my baby (Monowheel XS). > >> The Mercedes-Benz tuner BRABUS has upgrated this nice engine to 102 HP. > > > > What is the the source of the increase in power from 82 to 102 hp? > > > > What is the weight of this puppy? > > > > Fred > > A194 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:04 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi, I am representing Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer, he is very distressed that Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer gets all the attention, but he,[ Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer] never gets a mention, Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer is in the second row of Reindeers, in Santa's Sliegh, on the port side, directly behind Rudolph. He has asked me to tell everyone that he can accelerate as fast as Rudolph. He has asked me to tell that he can go as fast as Rudolph. He has asked me to tell that he can go as far as Rudolph. However, he does admit that he can not stop as rapidly as Rudolph............................. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:19 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Old tailwheel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Wanted advert posted on behalf of Richard (D18 owner): WANTED. Old style Europa tailwheel; have you a good wheel with tyre, axle and fork looking for a new home? If so please 'phone Richard on 01509 853902. Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:01 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" Nev Have you been on the Moroccan woodbines again? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > Hi, > I am representing Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer, he is very distressed > that Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer gets all the attention, but he,[ > Randolph > the brown nosed Reindeer] never gets a mention, > Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer is in the second row of Reindeers, in > Santa's Sliegh, on the port side, directly behind Rudolph. > He has asked me to tell everyone that he can accelerate as fast as > Rudolph. > He has asked me to tell that he can go as fast as Rudolph. > He has asked me to tell that he can go as far as Rudolph. > However, he does admit that he can not stop as rapidly as > Rudolph............................. > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old tailwheel From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > > Wanted advert posted on behalf of Richard (D18 owner): > > WANTED. Old style Europa tailwheel; have you a good wheel with tyre, axle > and fork looking for a new home? If so please 'phone Richard on 01509 > 853902. > > Duncan McF. OK - I contacted him at 10.40 pm and he is picking mine up tomorrow. Another unused bit removed from the shelf in my garage ! Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:29 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Neville. Happy New Year. The only thing to do with Europa that was brown was KW's side kicks arm! BTW Wish you would be truthful on the seasonal issue. I understood they were shot by a flight tester of Santa doing an "engine out test"! Neither of them can talk anymore I just helped to eat them, and brought some back for our UK christening together with some dried for chewing. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seasonal Greetings (The shape of things to come) --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi, I am representing Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer, he is very distressed that Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer gets all the attention, but he,[ Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer] never gets a mention, Randolph the brown nosed Reindeer is in the second row of Reindeers, in Santa's Sliegh, on the port side, directly behind Rudolph. He has asked me to tell everyone that he can accelerate as fast as Rudolph. He has asked me to tell that he can go as fast as Rudolph. He has asked me to tell that he can go as far as Rudolph. However, he does admit that he can not stop as rapidly as Rudolph............................. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:29 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Old tailwheel --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Duncan I may well have, you do say OLD Europa style I guess you mean ORIGINAL ? I'll look it out tomorrow. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Subject: Europa-List: Old tailwheel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Wanted advert posted on behalf of Richard (D18 owner): WANTED. Old style Europa tailwheel; have you a good wheel with tyre, axle and fork looking for a new home? If so please 'phone Richard on 01509 853902. Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:57 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Europa-List: [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! --> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, Tonight, Friday 1/7/2005 at 7pm PDT, I will be working with my Internet Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate into the depths of the Internet. If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of the update or around 8pm PDT. Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even notice! :-) Thanks for your patience! Matt Dralle List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice --> Europa-List message posted by: I have had a Trutrak for a year and am happy with it. Simple to install and operate. Recently upgraded to the turn and bank indicator head which works well. Ken Carpenter N 9XS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > > Hi Everyone > Firstly Happy New Year to all > Can anyone help me with advice as to which type of autopilot to buy as I > am now considering fitting one. I have a skymap III installed and an > Apollo SL30 with VOR/GS and it would be nice to have an autopilot that > linked to at least one if not both of these. I have been advised to go > for either the Navaid or Truetrak, but I have no experience or knowledge > of either ? > > Alan > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:34 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Trio Autopilots --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Gidday all, After just returning from picking up my servo from Trio for my autopilot setup I thought I might share my experience. Firstly, Trio do not know I am sending this to the list. The autopilot is designed by a fellow named Chuck Busch, an experience electrical engineer working with elite suppliers to military and NASA for over 20 years. He worked extensively on early tracking systems for missile technology, including GPS in its infancy. Suffice to say, he knows his stuff. In conjunction with his small team he has built, test flown in his Long Eze, and then re-engineered the product to achieve a very capable system. The product is evolving and they have plans for altitude hold functionality in April this year, thereabouts. If anyone is interested in autopilots, you should avail yourselves the opportunity to deal with a company where they pride themselves on communicating well with their customer base. I made over 10 enquiries before making my choice and was always met with friendly advice. They can be reviewed at http://www.trioavionics.com/ Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger Currently working on Rudder Pedals, In but tight so more work to go on them. Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels. Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted Roof Panel between doors completed. Photos at: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided) Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a sticky situation ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:10 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Prices on Parts --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Good Day All, I have started noticing more emails from people that, for one reason or another, need some parts for their aircraft and people that have "extras" that they would like to part with. But since we are all friends in this endeavor, both sides want to do what's right so that the sharing makes both sides feel good. However the sticking point is usually the price because neither party knows how much many of these parts are worth. Is there someone out there that has any kind of a parts list that might give a ballpark value that can be used during these transactions? I think that it could help if this was available for all parties concerned. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Prices on Parts From: "SteveD" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" I noticed your email about noticing the pickup in parts swapping. I also noticed that I was looking for a part, saw one listed, asked if anyone would sell the individual parts on a mono wheel gear and got no answer. Anyway... I digress, I've made a Buy, Sell, Trade section on the EuropaOwners Forum. You can post what you have for sale or need there. That way you can go to one place and see what's what. It may also help in setting market values on parts. A sort of Europabay.... Geez I'm tired.... Chat Later, Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/