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1. 02:04 AM - Fuel Vents (Paddy Clarke)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Fuel Vents (R.C.Harrison)
3. 08:31 AM - It's not easy when you're stupid (Fergus Kyle)
4. 08:57 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Fred R. Klein)
5. 09:25 AM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (MICHAEL PARKIN)
6. 09:47 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Fred Fillinger)
7. 10:05 AM - Autopilots (Nigel Harrison)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: Old tailwheel (Duncan McFadyean)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (Duncan McFadyean)
10. 10:53 AM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (R.C.Harrison)
11. 11:04 AM - Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options (Fred R. Klein)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Autopilots (Duncan McFadyean)
13. 11:20 AM - Re: Autopilots (Peter Rees)
14. 11:29 AM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (Tony Krzyzewski)
15. 11:37 AM - Re: Autopilots (MICHAEL PARKIN)
16. 11:45 AM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (Paul McAllister)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: It's not easy when you're stupid (Duncan McFadyean)
18. 02:23 PM - Re: Autopilots (Duncan McFadyean)
19. 02:50 PM - Re: Autopilots (Cliff Shaw)
20. 05:07 PM - FW: YOUNG TSUNAMI VICTIM - Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd) (R.C.Harrison)
21. 06:33 PM - Re: Fuel Vents (Bill & Sue Sisley)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Happy New Year!
I know a number of people have taken the fuel vent tube from the
tank, up to a tee into the top of the filler neck, and then to a vent
low down on the fuselage side.
This seems to me to be a good plan, and I was thinking of following
suit. However, when I was cleaning the mud off the fus underside, it
occurred to me there might be a problem with mud and/or water being
thrown up into the vent, causing it all to go quiet.
Any comments?
It also seems to be a good idea to increase the dia. of the vent
tube
in the top of the tank to 3/8" and keep that dia. up to the tee in the
filler neck, to make refueling a bit quicker. Can anyone see any
problems with this?
Many thanks,
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Paddy.
I run with no vents out the top of the fuselage. However I vent into a
sealed anti siphon bottle in the port ceiling which returns any
overspill back to the main tank filler. The vent then continues from the
higher end of this bottle over the top to an exit vent in the port floor
just by the flap drive lever.
You need to have an anti-siphon arrangement to ensure the system isn't
dumping fuel as you fly.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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Clarke
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vents
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke
<paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Happy New Year!
I know a number of people have taken the fuel vent tube
from the
tank, up to a tee into the top of the filler neck, and then to a vent
low down on the fuselage side.
This seems to me to be a good plan, and I was thinking
of following
suit. However, when I was cleaning the mud off the fus underside, it
occurred to me there might be a problem with mud and/or water being
thrown up into the vent, causing it all to go quiet.
Any comments?
It also seems to be a good idea to increase the dia. of
the vent tube
in the top of the tank to 3/8" and keep that dia. up to the tee in the
filler neck, to make refueling a bit quicker. Can anyone see any
problems with this?
Many thanks,
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Clear as my mind can be (at times) it has recently rebelled over a
simple paradox involving vents. I plan a bellyside outlet for the
suction-block bottle in the fuel vent department.
I note also the remarks of several regarding mud and crud along the
belly due to various manoeuvres, planned and otherwise, during landing and
takeoff. As a monowheel manipulator, I cannot get the shape of the (say)
1/4inch [6mm] diameter vent sitting out in the slipstream whether the tip
should be hacked off at 90deg (hipress?), or scarfed at 45deg (top or botm?)
or tapered horizontally or whatever.
Having had trouble explaining oak leaves and mud on the bottom of
several Harvards in earlier days, I can't seem to correlate the vision with
a mudfree vent for my Europa. Your considered opinions, severally and
separately, would hopefully disarm this quandary. Secondarily of course it
may prompt a vicious and viral debate which could destroy the site for
weeks.
Shamelessly,
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Duncan,
You wrote:
> Answer to Fred's questions:
> <<What is the weight of this puppy?>>
>
> Material on the web site says installed weight of 11lbs more than a 912S.
>
> <<What is the source of the increase in power from 82 to 102 hp?>>
>
> Easy; turn up the boost (until it goes 'pop')!
>
> Duncan McF.
...a few thoughts from my armchair...
It strikes me that "turn(ing) up the boost" is akin to starting with the 912
@ 80 hp and either, increasing the compression to bump the hp up to 100 (the
912S), or adding the turbo and bumping the hp up to 115 w/ the 914. In
either case, in varying ways, stresses are increased...not to the extent
that the engine "goes 'pop'!" since there is no history (that I'm aware of)
of the Rotax experiencing failure of its basic components. However, the
record appears to show failures of accessories (e.g., clutch, starter),
exhaust system and wiring which are logically attributed to the increase in
power beyond that of the original 80 hp engine.
What's amazing to me about the Smart engine is that it's sucking 102 hp out
of 700 cc's...and I can't help but wonder if it's "smart" to use it in our
unforgiving aerial environment. (?) Course if it's 11 lbs. heavier than the
912S, it could be quite a robust little puppy.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
I only fitted one vent on top of the fuselage as detailed in the build
manual. One vent was not required as I discarded the fuel sight tube when I
fitted the capacitance fuel gauging system. In practice I have found the
vent, close to the filler, very useful during refuel. The hissing of
displaced air and the bubbling gives a very good indication on approaching a
full tank. Saves unnecessary overflow, which invariably runs down the
fuselage side and into the flap slot, causing a bad fuel smell until it has
all evaporated.
regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: It's not easy when you're stupid
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> Clear as my mind can be (at times) it has recently rebelled over a
> simple paradox involving vents. I plan a bellyside outlet for the
> suction-block bottle in the fuel vent department.
> I note also the remarks of several regarding mud and crud along the
> belly due to various manoeuvres, planned and otherwise, during landing and
> takeoff. As a monowheel manipulator, I cannot get the shape of the (say)
> 1/4inch [6mm] diameter vent sitting out in the slipstream whether the tip
> should be hacked off at 90deg (hipress?), or scarfed at 45deg (top or
> botm?)
> or tapered horizontally or whatever.
> Having had trouble explaining oak leaves and mud on the bottom of
> several Harvards in earlier days, I can't seem to correlate the vision
> with
> a mudfree vent for my Europa. Your considered opinions, severally and
> separately, would hopefully disarm this quandary. Secondarily of course it
> may prompt a vicious and viral debate which could destroy the site for
> weeks.
> Shamelessly,
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> However, the record appears to show failures of
> accessories (e.g., clutch, starter), exhaust system and
> wiring which are logically attributed to the increase in
> power beyond that of the original 80 hp engine.
>
What record? If you're referring to anecdotal reports on small email
lists, then you can't, IMO, compare that to the fact there apparently
are no such anecdotal reports from a much smaller user base of a given
nonaircraft engine. It may be a good engine, but more objective data
for the Rotax is obtainable from FAA and NTSB, and the implied service
record there is excellent. Also, Rotax Service Bulletins I feel are
another reference point as to actual service history Rotax believes is
significant.
NTSB data also shows that, for automotive engines as a whole, the
accident data where engine failure is a factor is the worst of all.
Second to that are, not Rotax 4-strokes, but Lycomings, where I
rationalize that builders will tend use ones of questionable
maintenance "provenance," or overhaul them by themselves.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
Dear All,
Like Alan Burrows I am aiming to put an autopilot into my Europa. I have
chosen the Trutrak Digitrak because it interfaces with the Grand Rapids
Horizon 1 EFIS that I plan to install. Can anyone tell me whether I need to
to get authorisation from the PFA to install the Trutrak or is it already an
accepted modification? Likewise the EFIS - does this require PFA approval?
Happy New Year to all.
Nigel Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: Old tailwheel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Thanks Bob,
Richard tells me he's had three calls today with offers of a tailwheel.
Not quite sure what his project is, but I think its something sub-100kg and
single seat, in anticipation of the CAA totally deregulating airworthiness
control of all such aircraft. We live in strange times!
Richard (Mole) built G-TREK (D18), which was a work of art and has made some
interesting trips comparable to some of yours.
Rgds.,
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Old tailwheel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Duncan
> I may well have, you do say OLD Europa style I guess you mean ORIGINAL ?
> I'll look it out tomorrow.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Old tailwheel
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Wanted advert posted on behalf of Richard (D18 owner):
>
> WANTED. Old style Europa tailwheel; have you a good wheel with tyre,
> axle
> and fork looking for a new home? If so please 'phone Richard on 01509
> 853902.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The vent needs to be forward facing in order that that the tank and fuel
supply benefit from a small amount of pressurisation. This is equivalent to
only 2' head of fuel at 150mph, but enough to overcome the head losses
between the bottom of the tank and the inlet to the backup fuel pump, so is
significant given that pumps have little ability to suck and any suction is
bad for inhibiting vapour locking.
Who knows what the pressure in the tank will be if the vent is otherwise
sited below the fus. aft of the cockpit.
Certainly, if the aft-positioned fuel cap is left off a Europa during flight
then there is enough suction in the area of the open filler and therefore
the tank be able to pull all of the fuel out of the sight gauge.
Could be quite an interesting challenge to prevent an underside
forward-facing vent from blocking!
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: It's not easy when you're stupid
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> Clear as my mind can be (at times) it has recently rebelled over a
> simple paradox involving vents. I plan a bellyside outlet for the
> suction-block bottle in the fuel vent department.
> I note also the remarks of several regarding mud and crud along
the
> belly due to various manoeuvres, planned and otherwise, during landing and
> takeoff. As a monowheel manipulator, I cannot get the shape of the (say)
> 1/4inch [6mm] diameter vent sitting out in the slipstream whether the tip
> should be hacked off at 90deg (hipress?), or scarfed at 45deg (top or
botm?)
> or tapered horizontally or whatever.
> Having had trouble explaining oak leaves and mud on the bottom of
> several Harvards in earlier days, I can't seem to correlate the vision
with
> a mudfree vent for my Europa. Your considered opinions, severally and
> separately, would hopefully disarm this quandary. Secondarily of course it
> may prompt a vicious and viral debate which could destroy the site for
> weeks.
> Shamelessly,
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
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| Subject: | It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Ferg.
IMHO it doesn't need to exit the fuselage bottom at all if situated
alongside the flap actuating hinge slots. Also in that position the
operation of the flaps will ensure that no "crud" is preventing the
venting working. To have the vent into the air stream pointing forward
will pressurise the system and pointing rearwards could promote fuel to
be sucked out and a siphon starting.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: It's not easy when you're stupid
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Clear as my mind can be (at times) it has recently rebelled over
a
simple paradox involving vents. I plan a bellyside outlet for the
suction-block bottle in the fuel vent department.
I note also the remarks of several regarding mud and crud along
the
belly due to various manoeuvres, planned and otherwise, during landing
and
takeoff. As a monowheel manipulator, I cannot get the shape of the (say)
1/4inch [6mm] diameter vent sitting out in the slipstream whether the
tip
should be hacked off at 90deg (hipress?), or scarfed at 45deg (top or
botm?)
or tapered horizontally or whatever.
Having had trouble explaining oak leaves and mud on the bottom
of
several Harvards in earlier days, I can't seem to correlate the vision
with
a mudfree vent for my Europa. Your considered opinions, severally and
separately, would hopefully disarm this quandary. Secondarily of course
it
may prompt a vicious and viral debate which could destroy the site for
weeks.
Shamelessly,
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall choice and Rotax Engine order options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi Fred F.,
In comment to my post, you write:
> What record? If you're referring to anecdotal reports on small email
> lists, then you can't, IMO, compare that to the fact there apparently
> are no such anecdotal reports from a much smaller user base of a given
> nonaircraft engine.
Well...shoot me! :)
My use of the word "record" was just to the postings on our little Europa
forum...postings of particular interest as they reflect the Europa/Rotax
combination, rather than the Rotax itself and whatever quirks it may pick up
in combo w/ other aircraft.
It was not my intention to make any comparison with nonaircraft engines
(particularly those with, thus far, only prototypical histories), or
Lycomings for that matter...I actually thought I was simply stating a fact
about which there would be no disagreement. I'll be much more careful w/ my
words in the future.
And...for the record...ever since I tapped into the Europa list, I've read
your postings w/ great interest and appreciation for your obvious broad and
deep technical knowledge and experience...thanks for being willing to share
it on this forum!
Fred K.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I submitted to the PFA details and drawings for this mod 27 months ago and
further details (including Inspector's sign-off and the drawings reformatted
to PFA requirements) 3 months ago. Still waiting!.
I think there is at least one flying in the UK at the moment.
PFA authorisation is definitely req'd.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
>
>
> Dear All,
> Like Alan Burrows I am aiming to put an autopilot into my Europa. I have
> chosen the Trutrak Digitrak because it interfaces with the Grand Rapids
> Horizon 1 EFIS that I plan to install. Can anyone tell me whether I need
to
> to get authorisation from the PFA to install the Trutrak or is it already
an
> accepted modification? Likewise the EFIS - does this require PFA approval?
> Happy New Year to all.
> Nigel Harrison
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Ni Nigel
As far as your EFIS is concerned, I've had an E-mail from Andrew Moore (PFA
Chief Engineer) on the subject as I intend to fit a Dynon (wish I'd seen the
Blue Mountain EFIS Lite earlier!) - you don't need to go through the mod
process to fit one but as it (if its the same as the dynon) requires you do
cut into the Static and Pitot lines, you do need to make a log book entry
and have your inspector sign it off.
My thoughts on the Autopilot (I'm going to fit the EZ Pilot as it seems to
offer a bucket load more features than the Trutrak or Navaids for very
little more money). The Europa club has been though the mod process with the
navaids one - you can fit that under sign off of your inspector (as long as
you follow the europa clubs documentation) - if you want to fit something
else, you need to file a mod application to the PFA and wait in the (very
long) queue. Other than the upgrade plan, is there any real advantage to the
Truetrak over the Navaids one? If you've not looked at the EZ pilot, give it
a quick look - it should interface to almost any GPS and the guys there seem
to be very friendly and exceedingly helpful - it has loads of nice features
but costs almost exactly the same as the Truetrak.
Thats my thoughts anyway - if you find anything is incorrect, it would help
for you to put me straight.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
>
>
> Dear All,
> Like Alan Burrows I am aiming to put an autopilot into my Europa. I have
> chosen the Trutrak Digitrak because it interfaces with the Grand Rapids
> Horizon 1 EFIS that I plan to install. Can anyone tell me whether I need
> to
> to get authorisation from the PFA to install the Trutrak or is it already
> an
> accepted modification? Likewise the EFIS - does this require PFA approval?
> Happy New Year to all.
> Nigel Harrison
>
>
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| Subject: | It's not easy when you're stupid |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Who knows what the pressure in the tank will be if the vent is otherwise
sited below the fus. aft of the cockpit.
Venting to static rather than to pressure isn't an issue. One of the Europa demonstrators
was fitted with a static vent rather than a pitot vent to test the
prototype of what became my fuel gauge and this showed that it isn't a problem.
There are quite a few Europas now flying without the top vents and I haven't
heard of any problems to date with this configuration.
>> Certainly, if the aft-positioned fuel cap is left off a Europa during flight
then there is enough suction in the area of the open filler and therefore
the tank be able to pull all of the fuel out of the sight gauge.
Having done a 1 hour flight with the fuel cap missing in a top vented europa (it
was still hooked on the filler vents when I landed!), I can tell you that there
was no visible indication in flight that the tank was pulling all of the fuel
out of the sight gauge! Lesson learnt, won't do that again. :)
Regards
Tony
[Panel powered up, no smoke so far]
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Glad to see that the PFA is up to its usual pathetic standard at turning
round modification proposals. I did once take them on over their slow
response to mod paperwork - they closed ranks and blamed just about
everything from single skies to EAA proposals. In the end I gave up on the
grounds that life is too short.
regards,
MP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I submitted to the PFA details and drawings for this mod 27 months ago and
> further details (including Inspector's sign-off and the drawings
> reformatted
> to PFA requirements) 3 months ago. Still waiting!.
>
> I think there is at least one flying in the UK at the moment.
> PFA authorisation is definitely req'd.
>
>
> Duncan McF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Like Alan Burrows I am aiming to put an autopilot into my Europa. I have
>> chosen the Trutrak Digitrak because it interfaces with the Grand Rapids
>> Horizon 1 EFIS that I plan to install. Can anyone tell me whether I need
> to
>> to get authorisation from the PFA to install the Trutrak or is it already
> an
>> accepted modification? Likewise the EFIS - does this require PFA
>> approval?
>> Happy New Year to all.
>> Nigel Harrison
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I put the vent in the wing root to avoid the problem of mud blocking the
vent and although it works I occasionally get the smell of fuel when I am
in a climb. I think the smell is coming from the vent and in through the
flap tube slots, (this is an unproven theory.) It doesn't always occur,
often I can go for several weeks and then I can smell it again. Its very
slight and goes away once you level off.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: It's not easy when you're stupid |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<> Venting to static rather than to pressure isn't an issue>>
It is if you want to give yourself the best possible chance of minimising
vapour lock problems with Mogas. The pressurisation available goes a long
way to cancelling the effects of suction-side head losses (outlet fittings,
elbows, fuel valves, filters, unnecessarily long and narrow fuel lines, etc)
that can easily induce vapour formation.
<<I can tell you that there was no visible indication in flight that the
tank was pulling all of the fuel out of the sight gauge! >>
I've tried that too! Only, as stated, all of the fuel is sucked out of the
fuel sight gauge. My filler is in a slightly higher location than standard
XS, but lower down than Classic.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: It's not easy when you're stupid
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >> Who knows what the pressure in the tank will be if the vent is
otherwise
> sited below the fus. aft of the cockpit.
>
> Venting to static rather than to pressure isn't an issue. One of the
Europa demonstrators was fitted with a static vent rather than a pitot vent
to test the prototype of what became my fuel gauge and this showed that it
isn't a problem. There are quite a few Europas now flying without the top
vents and I haven't heard of any problems to date with this configuration.
>
> >> Certainly, if the aft-positioned fuel cap is left off a Europa during
flight
> then there is enough suction in the area of the open filler and therefore
> the tank be able to pull all of the fuel out of the sight gauge.
>
> Having done a 1 hour flight with the fuel cap missing in a top vented
europa (it was still hooked on the filler vents when I landed!), I can tell
you that there was no visible indication in flight that the tank was pulling
all of the fuel out of the sight gauge! Lesson learnt, won't do that again.
:)
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
> [Panel powered up, no smoke so far]
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<My thoughts on the Autopilot .......it seems to offer a bucket load more
features than the Trutrak or Navaids >>
I think that one of the benefits of Trutrak's Digitrak is its beguiling
simplicity (its a sophisticated bit of kit that is very easy and intuitive
to use) and I'm not convinced that all the additional features of the Trio
are actually needed. But then I've no experience of the latter and can never
remember easily how to programme a VCR, although I admit that the Trio has
more of a draw in marketing terms.
As regards the Navaid, it's first-generation and now looks dated alongside
the Digitrak; the dynamics in particular (e.g. in turbulence) bear no
comparison.
As regards <<should interface to almost any GPS >>, I've found that they
don't.
Whilst most GPS sets have NMEA output, the NMEA protocol allows data
elements to be omitted (so long as the separation commas in the data
sentence are left in place). This often means that all the data needed by
the autopilot is not present and the thing won't work. I've found that early
versions of the Garmin GPS Pilot III and many non-aviation handhelds have
this problem. Garmin's older 195 (a larger version of the Pilot III) works
OK as do Skymaps. Otherwise its best to get a written assurance from the AP
manufacturer that their product will work with "x" brand of GPS; unless you
like the challenge of endless snagging.
Another "con" is the update frequency. Whilst many GPS sets update
internally at 1 second intervals, the data output is more often at 3 second
intervals, which can be a bit slow for effective AP operation in some
circumstances, especially around waypoint turns.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees"
<peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
>
> Ni Nigel
>
> As far as your EFIS is concerned, I've had an E-mail from Andrew Moore
(PFA
> Chief Engineer) on the subject as I intend to fit a Dynon (wish I'd seen
the
> Blue Mountain EFIS Lite earlier!) - you don't need to go through the mod
> process to fit one but as it (if its the same as the dynon) requires you
do
> cut into the Static and Pitot lines, you do need to make a log book entry
> and have your inspector sign it off.
>
> My thoughts on the Autopilot (I'm going to fit the EZ Pilot as it seems to
> offer a bucket load more features than the Trutrak or Navaids for very
> little more money). The Europa club has been though the mod process with
the
> navaids one - you can fit that under sign off of your inspector (as long
as
> you follow the europa clubs documentation) - if you want to fit something
> else, you need to file a mod application to the PFA and wait in the (very
> long) queue. Other than the upgrade plan, is there any real advantage to
the
> Truetrak over the Navaids one? If you've not looked at the EZ pilot, give
it
> a quick look - it should interface to almost any GPS and the guys there
seem
> to be very friendly and exceedingly helpful - it has loads of nice
features
> but costs almost exactly the same as the Truetrak.
>
> Thats my thoughts anyway - if you find anything is incorrect, it would
help
> for you to put me straight.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison@manx.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison"
<naharrison@manx.net>
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > Like Alan Burrows I am aiming to put an autopilot into my Europa. I have
> > chosen the Trutrak Digitrak because it interfaces with the Grand Rapids
> > Horizon 1 EFIS that I plan to install. Can anyone tell me whether I need
> > to
> > to get authorisation from the PFA to install the Trutrak or is it
already
> > an
> > accepted modification? Likewise the EFIS - does this require PFA
approval?
> > Happy New Year to all.
> > Nigel Harrison
> >
> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I "FINELY" got my Digitrack auto pilot working and calibrated. It works best
with a GPS track input. If you don't have that available, I think you
should get something else. The track data must be presented in the correct
format and at a 1 second repetition rate. I had to install a second GPS
receiver to supply this signal. Bought it from TrueTrack. (it was made by
Garman).
I will second the simplicity of operation statement. I have to get the book
out for some things , but the AP. It is just too simple.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | FW: YOUNG TSUNAMI VICTIM - Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! All This is not spam. Kindly take a minute of your time to read
down and look at the attached photos.
Sorry for posting this off topic item but I think it warrants an
exception to the rules. I have seen the picture before either on TV or
press coverage.
His complexion looks Scandinavian to me so perhaps our friends over
there will pay special attention to the request and even if they don=92t
recognise him try to get it circulating on all the Swedish,Norweigian,
Danish circuits. It is a shame they don=92t say which language he speaks?
Regards
Bob Harrison
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPHINE white [mailto:josephine.white1@btinternet.com]
Subject: Fw: YOUNG TSUNAMI VICTIM - Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan <mailto:stan@greencorner.fsnet.co.uk> Parr
Subject: YOUNG TSUNAMI VICTIM - Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd)
ANYBODY KNOW THIS YOUNG FELLOW, PLEASE?
PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS - WE CAN BUT HOPE. (Nice little lad!)
THANK YOU.
Stan.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Butterfield <mailto:john.butterfield@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Fw: Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd)
Hi Stan,
I am passing on an Email I have received from my son in-law, who in
turn received it from his brother in Australia.
I am asking you if you would be so kind as to whack the email right
across your network.
To me, the poor kid looks European.
All the best,
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Haley <mailto:NHaley@BARf1.com>
<mailto:cath.mitchell@lloydstsb.co.uk> Cath Mitch (E-mail) ; Dad
(E-mail) <mailto:jon@haley53.freeserve.co.uk> ; Dave
<mailto:dcalder@geminigroup.co.uk> Calder (E-mail) ; Dave Mathews
(E-mail) <mailto:d.matthews@harveymanchester.com> ; Emma. Armstrong
(E-mail) <mailto:emma.armstrong@retail-logic.com> ; Grant
<mailto:grant.jk.sisterson@pfizer.com> Sisterson (E-mail) ; Ian
<mailto:Ian.Peyman@honda-eu.com> Peyman (E-mail) ; Jane
<mailto:jane_ebrown@hotmail.com> Brown (E-mail) ; John Butterfield
(E-mail) <mailto:john.butterfield@ukonline.co.uk> ; Mum (E-mail)
<mailto:ian.jane@wanadoo.fr> ; Phil <mailto:phil@auto-quote.com>
Eggleton (E-mail) ; Roger <mailto:ROGER.HALEY@MEMO.IKEA.COM> Work
(E-mail) ; Sean <mailto:John.Trickey@honda-eu.com> Trickey (E-mail) ;
Tommy Mitchell (E-mail) <mailto:Tom.Mitchell@WisdomIT.co.uk> ; Tony
Janet <mailto:tony-eggleton@teggleton.freeserve.co.uk> Eggleton
(E-mail) ; Tony Styles Home (E-mail) <mailto:Tony.Styles@btinternet.com>
Subject: FW: Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joerg Zander
Subject: FW: Kennt jemand diesen Jungen? (fwd)
Dear Friends,
Please take a look at the attached picture of this victim from Tsunami.
If you do not know him, please forward his
pictures to your friends or organization in your country for further
publication.
This boy is about 2 years old. Found and taken from Khao Lak Resort
Area, the southern part of Thailand. His parents are missing. His
nationality & identity cannot be established.
Please contact Dr. Anuroj Tharasiriroj of Phuket International Hospital
Phone: +66 76 249-400, <http://www.phuket-inter-hospital.co.th>
I thank you all for extending kindness to this boy.
With kind regards,
Tess Ruktapurana
Thai Airways International PCL
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
Mine is set up like this.
The vent line from the tank goes up to the neck of the filler approx 50mm
from the top.
The breather to air is from a second line from the other side of the filler
neck and down to the bottom of the fuselage.
The bottom vent is a static vent behind the starboard flap hinge cover (I
have the speed
kit) and has never had any dirt near it. I do often operate in "very muddy"
conditions but this area always stays clean.
There is no way it can siphon as there is the break in the line at the top
of the filler.
ZK CHV
XS Mono 914 Airmaster
245hrs
Sue and Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Happy New Year!
> I know a number of people have taken the fuel vent tube
from the
> tank, up to a tee into the top of the filler neck, and then to a vent
> low down on the fuselage side.
> This seems to me to be a good plan, and I was thinking of
following
> suit. However, when I was cleaning the mud off the fus underside, it
> occurred to me there might be a problem with mud and/or water being
> thrown up into the vent, causing it all to go quiet.
> Any comments?
> It also seems to be a good idea to increase the dia. of
the vent tube
> in the top of the tank to 3/8" and keep that dia. up to the tee in the
> filler neck, to make refueling a bit quicker. Can anyone see any
> problems with this?
> Many thanks,
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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