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1. 12:52 AM - Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Brian Davies)
2. 01:59 AM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Richard Holder)
3. 02:13 AM - Autopilot Advice (Alan Burrows)
4. 02:32 AM - Brake Pipes (Alan Burrows)
5. 02:34 AM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Pete Lawless)
6. 03:03 AM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Brian Davies)
7. 03:03 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Tony Renshaw)
8. 03:15 AM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Richard Iddon)
9. 04:28 AM - Brake pipes (ivor.phillips)
10. 06:20 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Ken Stribling)
11. 06:54 AM - Re: Brake Pipes (Fred Fillinger)
12. 07:00 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice ()
13. 07:19 AM - Brake pipes (Peter Field)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: Brake Pipes (Rob Housman)
15. 08:50 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Fred Fillinger)
16. 09:17 AM - Re: DOTH tomorrow or Friday? (William Mills)
17. 09:58 AM - Re: Autopilot Advice (Alan Burrows)
18. 11:23 AM - Re: Brake Pipes (Rowland Carson)
19. 11:42 AM - 914 wastegate (Tony Krzyzewski)
20. 01:07 PM - Exhaust pipe flanges - 912S (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
21. 01:45 PM - Re: Autopilot Advice (R.C.Harrison)
22. 01:52 PM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Richard Holder)
23. 02:10 PM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (Duncan McFadyean)
24. 02:24 PM - Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater (William Mills)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: DOTH tomorrow or Friday? (R.C.Harrison)
26. 07:21 PM - Re: Rudder deflection (Fergus Kyle)
27. 10:18 PM - Squeezing solid rivets (Andrew Sarangan)
28. 11:15 PM - Re: Exhaust pipe flanges - 912S (nigel charles)
29. 11:22 PM - Re: Squeezing solid rivets (nigel charles)
30. 11:48 PM - Re: Squeezing solid rivets (R.C.Harrison)
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Subject: | Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
I have just purchased the Skydrive Coolant Carburetter heater CH-912-3. I see
from the instructions that this requires PFA approval. Is there a standard PFA
mod number for this or do we have to apply individually @ =A345 a time+weeks
of paperwork.
Brian Davies kit 454 Mono XS
Painting just about finished.
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Brian
I just bought it too. I checked with the PFA and they say it is a "standard
option" on the 912S and does not require "PFA modification action". I could
forward their email if you wish.
On the other hand I found that the heater wasn't ready to slide onto the
spigot in any sensible way so I have had to send the carbs and the heaters
to Skydrive to fit. It didn't feel right so I ducked it :-( I await their
return.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
++++++++ Please note new email address ++++++++
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
>
> I have just purchased the Skydrive Coolant Carburetter heater CH-912-3. I see
> from the instructions that this requires PFA approval. Is there a standard PFA
> mod number for this or do we have to apply individually @ =A345 a time+weeks
> of paperwork.
>
> Brian Davies kit 454 Mono XS
>
> Painting just about finished.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Ok guys I am down to a choice of two. It's either the Trutrak or the E-Z
Pilot anybody have any plus or minus points about either ?
I want to ideally track GPS and VOR's (I have an Apollo 30 installed) if
that's possible with either unit.
All comments gratefully appreciated.
Many Thanks
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Has anyone got any better solution than the standard plastic pipes used
on the Trigear finger brakes. I am thinking of using copper is that the
best option or is there something better?
Many Thanks
Alan
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Subject: | Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi
I think the 'not fitting' is a standard feature! Mine required some
work with a file on the carbs to get them a little less of a square peg
and able to fit into the round hole. Another Europa owner on the field
had similar problems.
However, they do work well and its great not having to remember to turn
the thing on and off all the time.
Regards
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Brian
I just bought it too. I checked with the PFA and they say it is a
"standard option" on the 912S and does not require "PFA modification
action". I could forward their email if you wish.
On the other hand I found that the heater wasn't ready to slide onto the
spigot in any sensible way so I have had to send the carbs and the
heaters to Skydrive to fit. It didn't feel right so I ducked it :-( I
await their return.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
++++++++ Please note new email address ++++++++
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies"
> --> <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
>
> I have just purchased the Skydrive Coolant Carburetter heater
> CH-912-3. I see from the instructions that this requires PFA
> approval. Is there a standard PFA mod number for this or do we have to
> apply individually @ =A345 a time+weeks of paperwork.
>
> Brian Davies kit 454 Mono XS
>
> Painting just about finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Thanks for the tip Richard.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Brian
>
> I just bought it too. I checked with the PFA and they say it is a
"standard
> option" on the 912S and does not require "PFA modification action". I
could
> forward their email if you wish.
>
> On the other hand I found that the heater wasn't ready to slide onto the
> spigot in any sensible way so I have had to send the carbs and the heaters
> to Skydrive to fit. It didn't feel right so I ducked it :-( I await their
> return.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
> ++++++++ Please note new email address ++++++++
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
> >
> > I have just purchased the Skydrive Coolant Carburetter heater CH-912-3.
I see
> > from the instructions that this requires PFA approval. Is there a
standard PFA
> > mod number for this or do we have to apply individually @ =A345 a
time+weeks
> > of paperwork.
> >
> > Brian Davies kit 454 Mono XS
> >
> > Painting just about finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Alan,
Do yourself a favor and ring Chuck Busch of Trio. He is a genuine fellow,
with a wealth of information. Every negative you can think of has been
considered and even simple things like the 2 second refresh rate of a
handheld GPS using a NMEA 0183? data stream, in a turn to a given flight
planned track or ground track course, has been software modified to negate
the inaccuracy. He has 25,000 lines of code, so suffice to say I don't
think there is anything he hasn't thought about. He certainly gives me that
impression from my meeting. Worth a phone call I reckon, and he will
explain to you everything you want to know. It took 10 e-mails with worthy
responses before I was convinced, and my gut feel rewarded upon my personal
collection of my componentry.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney
P.S. There are those that might choose to call the servo old technology
used by Trio. It is, but it isn't standard, and there is a very detailed
explanation of why it is better. It is way beyond my understanding, but if
you have the knowledge, Chuck has the explanation. The head of the
autopilot is streaks ahead, and the accuracy ontrack is consistently less
than .01 of a mile as I recall. His target tracking was +/- .1 of a mile,
but tests prove it 10 times better than initially targetted.
At 09:15 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Ok guys I am down to a choice of two. It's either the Trutrak or the E-Z
>Pilot anybody have any plus or minus points about either ?
>I want to ideally track GPS and VOR's (I have an Apollo 30 installed) if
>that's possible with either unit.
>All comments gratefully appreciated.
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan
>
>
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Subject: | Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I was also thinking of fitting these heaters but was a little put off by
seeing one Europa which had overheated a little. This caused a pipe
feeding the heater to blow off a T piece and all the coolant to drain
out. The aircraft did fly for a while with no coolant but the engine
subsequently had to be replaced. Anyone else had or heard of any
problems with the coolant carb heaters?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Lawless
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi
I think the 'not fitting' is a standard feature! Mine required some
work with a file on the carbs to get them a little less of a square peg
and able to fit into the round hole. Another Europa owner on the field
had similar problems.
However, they do work well and its great not having to remember to turn
the thing on and off all the time.
Regards
Pete
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
I have used Copper- Nickel 90/10 seamless brake pipe throughout except for
the run from the reservoir to the master cylinder, Plastic is o/k for this.
If correctly supported and clipped it will outlast the airframe IMHO
It will take 3100 psi before rupture, so no contest as far as i am
concerned,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
: "Alan Burrows" <Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Brake Pipes
> -->
>
> Has anyone got any better solution than the standard plastic pipes used
> on the Trigear finger brakes. I am thinking of using copper is that the
> best option or is there something better?
> Many Thanks
>
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Subject: | Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling" <ken@striblingranch.com>
I have been flying a RV-6 while building my XS and I can tell you that
when I get ready for the auto pilot in my plane it will have an altitude
hold on it. I would rather have the altitude hold rather than wings
level they change altitude fast especially if you are looking at scenery
and not paying attention on long trips.
Just my opinion.
Ken Stribling
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Ok guys I am down to a choice of two. It's either the Trutrak or the E-Z
Pilot anybody have any plus or minus points about either ?
I want to ideally track GPS and VOR's (I have an Apollo 30 installed) if
that's possible with either unit.
All comments gratefully appreciated.
Many Thanks
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Has anyone got any better solution than the standard plastic pipes
used
> on the Trigear finger brakes. I am thinking of using copper is that
the
> best option or is there something better?
> Many Thanks
>
> Alan
On the trigear, I don't think you want to use copper, because it work
hardens, no? It will flex at the fuselage and down at the caliper,
plus during maintenance. I used 3003 aluminum, which is lighter
anyway and won't turn an ugly green where exposed to the elements.
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Re: Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Hi Alan
Weve chatted about this quite a bit off list but for my money, the EZ pilot wins
every time (I must get round to starting off the PFA Mod process for fitting
ours).
Within a few quid, the EZ Piot and Truetrack units are the same price, neither
can be fitted under existing recognised mods so, all is equal so far but, look
at the features that the EZ pilot offers - I particularly like the 'get me out
of IMC' button - just press and hold for 3 seconds - Autopilot comes on, turns
you through 180 degrees (in a turn of programmable rate - potential navid owners
please note).
I've been in contact with the guys at Trio and to be honest, they couldn't be more
helpful. I'm want to interface the unit to a skyforce CM2000 - a somewhat
obscure colour GPS - Trio say I can send them the GPS and they'll try it or, I
can capture the data output and send them the file - the say that if they can
make it work, the will.
I have no idea how Navaids have kept the stronghold on the market with their valve
operated unit (well almost!) - its time for a change!
I assume where you are is still covered by the PFA? Im looking to fit one of these,
someone else on the list has contacted me about doing the same could we
work collectively (or better still, could the europa club take on the unit under
their existing / a new mod?) there is no doubt that the unit looks to be
the most modern, feature packed offering in the price bracket.
I mooted the idea if Europa supplying it as a factory mod with all the requsite
hardware to Andy Draper yesterday - he sounded quite enthusiastic about the idea
- maybe some pressure there may be of use.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <Peter.Field@hgfield.co.uk>
Alan,
We discarded the black plastic tube and substituted it with steel
braided pipe as used in the performance automotive world. It does
require you to change all the fittings but is a very elegant solution to
the problem as it offers both strength and flexibility. The supplier we
used can be contacted on WWW.thinkauto.com
Peter Field
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
Regardless of the material you choose be certain that you use seamless
tubing.
There are three manufacturing methods used to make hollow shapes. The cheap
way is to form a tube from sheet stock and weld the seam (yuk!), a better
way is to extrude over a spider die which still has seams at the
microstructural level, and the right way for pressure applications is to
extrude the metal over a mandrel that is punched through the billet creating
a monolithic tube with no seam. Extruded tube is cold drawn to final size.
I used brass inside the fuselage and stainless steel on the exterior.
McMaster-Carr was my source:
Brass Tubing .085" ID, 1/8" OD, .020" Wall, 6' Length, P/N 8950K51
Type 316 Stainless Steel Seamless Tubing 1/8" OD, .085" ID, .02" Wall, P/N
89785K811
There were times while attempting to get the bends oriented correctly that I
doubted the wisdom of using rigid metallic tube rather than the factory
supplied, very flexible, easy to install plastic. Each time I questioned my
choice I remembered how my Lotus caught fire when the plastic hydraulic
clutch line ruptured and dumped brake fluid on the exhaust pipe, and my
doubts went away.
Buy extra lengths of tubing because unless you are an expert at tube bending
you will make mistakes.
...and Fred F. is correct that brass will work harden, but so does aluminum
and stainless steel. I doubt that there can be sufficient flexure to cause
a metallic brake line to fail (if the gear legs flex enough to fracture the
brake lines you've got worse problems to worry about).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: Brake Pipes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Has anyone got any better solution than the standard plastic pipes used
on the Trigear finger brakes. I am thinking of using copper is that the
best option or is there something better?
Many Thanks
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> I particularly like the 'get me out of IMC' button - just press and
> hold for 3 seconds - Autopilot comes on, turns you through 180
degrees....
I don't wish to start a debate over the concept of....if you need an
autopilot to 180 out of IMC...and arguable wisdom of periodic dual
instruction in that regard. :-)
IMO, the issue is how well the thing will do the job in turbulence, as
an instrument-rated pilot knows any +/- excursions from what you want
it to do don't mean anything. There's conditions where turning the
aircraft as per ATC or the approach plate is easier to do manually,
since there's simply less thinking to do in the instrument scan. But
for a VFR-only pilot, those excursions might be disconcerting, the
first of a chain of events potentially leading to a "problem."
With such a feature, I think it would be good to thoroughly and
periodically test it in turbulence, to get used to what the panel
instruments will be doing, so as to better monitor how well the
autopilot is bailing you out. Just like an IR pilot would do, with
that box optionally doing what the subconscious brain has been trained
to do.
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Re: DOTH tomorrow or Friday? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
All midweek DOTHers,
The weather still looks good for tomorrow and perhaps also for Friday, but
nobody has expressed an interest so far.
The choice is Pilot: Beccles, Huddersfield, Sandtoft, Seething, Tatenhill
and Flyer: Bodmin, Enstone, and Tatenhill.
Anyone interested please drop me a line, or give me a call on 01495 785499.
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH this week?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Anyone feel like a DOTH this week? Thursday looks like the best day.
Please let me know,
> Regards,
> William
>
>
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Subject: | Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
I whole heartily agree with that. As an IMC rated pilot(not full
instrument rated) I am able to fly in IMC conditions with relative ease,
when hand flying, trying to stay ahead of where I am going, dealing with
ATC and then studying the approach plates add to that a bit of good old
fashioned turbulence and you can image things get a little busy. For me
the purpose of an autopilot is to ease the workload and free up some
space in my limited brain capacity, thus making the whole process less
stressful, so the 180 option, whilst not particularly important to me,
could potentially be dangerous if it leads a VFR pilot to be over
confident where IMC conditions prevail. There is no electronic or
mechanical substitute for actually getting practice in IMC conditions
with a suitably qualified person on board of course.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Fillinger
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> I particularly like the 'get me out of IMC' button - just press and
> hold for 3 seconds - Autopilot comes on, turns you through 180
degrees....
I don't wish to start a debate over the concept of....if you need an
autopilot to 180 out of IMC...and arguable wisdom of periodic dual
instruction in that regard. :-)
IMO, the issue is how well the thing will do the job in turbulence, as
an instrument-rated pilot knows any +/- excursions from what you want it
to do don't mean anything. There's conditions where turning the
aircraft as per ATC or the approach plate is easier to do manually,
since there's simply less thinking to do in the instrument scan. But
for a VFR-only pilot, those excursions might be disconcerting, the first
of a chain of events potentially leading to a "problem."
With such a feature, I think it would be good to thoroughly and
periodically test it in turbulence, to get used to what the panel
instruments will be doing, so as to better monitor how well the
autopilot is bailing you out. Just like an IR pilot would do, with that
box optionally doing what the subconscious brain has been trained to do.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-01-12 10:34 +0000 Alan Burrows wrote:
>Has anyone got any better solution than the standard plastic pipes used
>on the Trigear finger brakes. I am thinking of using copper is that the
>best option or is there something better?
Alan - I'd be wary of using copper in any situation of potential
vibration or flexing, because of its tendency to work-harden and then
fracture. I'm guessing that the racing car people will have
solutions, probably in aluminium - but I have no specific knowledge
to offer, sorry!
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Is the 914 wastegate closed when the wastegaste actuating arm on the front of the
turbo is to starboard (ie vertical) or to port?
Regards
Tony
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Subject: | Exhaust pipe flanges - 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Just a word of caution if you are not already past this stage:
The Rotax 912S installation manual states a torque range for the M8 nuts that hold
the exhaust pipes in place against the cylinder heads.
When you torque the nuts, you will notice that the flanges (the ones held in place
by the bolts and nuts, not the bevelled flanges welded to the pipes) begin
to bend before you reach the lower limit of the torque stated by Rotax.
Do not apply more torque! The flanges (and the rest of the exhaust system) are
NOT Rotax parts, and evidently don't take the Rotax stated torque without bending.
I checked this with Andy today: It is difficult to explain why Rotax keep stating
the torque when the nuts are check-nuts and therefore do not require a minimum
torque to stay put. The nuts should, according to Andy, only be torqued
to give a tight connection, to avoid exhaust leaks. There is no proven need to
torque more, the system will stay in place even though this connection to the
cylinder heads is the only place where the entire exhaust system is anchored
to the engine.
Andy will place a note about this in the next Tech Talk column in the Europa Flyer,
and in the f.w. forward manual at next revision.
Make a note yourself, already now!
Regards,
Svein
A225 XS Trigear - now in Norway
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Subject: | Autopilot Advice |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Ken
I hope you manage to find time to look forward if I'm around ?
Best regards for safe flying in 2005
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Stribling
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Autopilot Advice
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling"
<ken@striblingranch.com>
I have been flying a RV-6 while building my XS and I can tell you that
when I get ready for the auto pilot in my plane it will have an altitude
hold on it. I would rather have the altitude hold rather than wings
level they change altitude fast especially if you are looking at scenery
and not paying attention on long trips.
Just my opinion.
Ken Stribling
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I was also thinking of fitting these heaters but was a little put off by
> seeing one Europa which had overheated a little. This caused a pipe
> feeding the heater to blow off a T piece and all the coolant to drain
> out. The aircraft did fly for a while with no coolant but the engine
> subsequently had to be replaced. Anyone else had or heard of any
> problems with the coolant carb heaters?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
To be fair this doesn't sound like a problem with the carb heater but with
the installation of the same. There are a total of 10 additional jubilee
clips to be used, and they have all got to be tight !
SkyDrive turned round my heater to carb fitment this morning and the cost
was less than the postage there and back !
So I recommend that if you have any doubt you get SkyDrive to do it.
Actually I should have driven it up to Southam and I expect they would have
done it while I waited. It would have cost less in fuel than the postage !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<There are a total of 10 additional jubilee
> clips to be used, and they have all got to be tight !>>
Its not just the tightness, but also the absence of any sensible barb or
joggle on the end of some of the pipe fittings in the kit!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> > I was also thinking of fitting these heaters but was a little put off by
> > seeing one Europa which had overheated a little. This caused a pipe
> > feeding the heater to blow off a T piece and all the coolant to drain
> > out. The aircraft did fly for a while with no coolant but the engine
> > subsequently had to be replaced. Anyone else had or heard of any
> > problems with the coolant carb heaters?
> >
> > Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> To be fair this doesn't sound like a problem with the carb heater but with
> the installation of the same. There are a total of 10 additional jubilee
> clips to be used, and they have all got to be tight !
>
> SkyDrive turned round my heater to carb fitment this morning and the cost
> was less than the postage there and back !
>
> So I recommend that if you have any doubt you get SkyDrive to do it.
>
> Actually I should have driven it up to Southam and I expect they would
have
> done it while I waited. It would have cost less in fuel than the postage !
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S Carb Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Richard,
The early Tee pieces had no ridges to grip the pipe, but this was
subsequently changed for a correct fitting. Perhaps Darry's was the early
version and was never changed. My carb heater has worked successfully for
about 650 hours now and I certainly would not be without it.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> I was also thinking of fitting these heaters but was a little put off by
> seeing one Europa which had overheated a little. This caused a pipe
> feeding the heater to blow off a T piece and all the coolant to drain
> out. The aircraft did fly for a while with no coolant but the engine
> subsequently had to be replaced. Anyone else had or heard of any
> problems with the coolant carb heaters?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Lawless
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912S Carb Heater
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Hi
>
> I think the 'not fitting' is a standard feature! Mine required some
> work with a file on the carbs to get them a little less of a square peg
> and able to fit into the round hole. Another Europa owner on the field
> had similar problems.
>
> However, they do work well and its great not having to remember to turn
> the thing on and off all the time.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
>
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Subject: | DOTH tomorrow or Friday? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! William
G-PTAG Still grounded but now with a tank inspection/mop out hole in the
tank top! Shouldn't be too long now.!
Regards
Bob H
Do not archive
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH tomorrow or Friday?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
All midweek DOTHers,
The weather still looks good for tomorrow and perhaps also for Friday,
but
nobody has expressed an interest so far.
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Subject: | Re: Rudder deflection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Garrett,
Don't think it was 20mm but in the ballpark. Do as the others say
and don't forget some space for paint.
Good Luck
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Copeland" <garrett.copeland@btinternet.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Rudder deflection
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Copeland"
<garrett.copeland@btinternet.com>
|
| Can anyone tell me how much they had to cut back (forward?) the fin
trailing
| edge close out on the port side to allow the full rudder deflection?
|
| It looks as if I will have to cut away more than 15 to 20 mm relative to
the
| starboard side to allow the rudder to swing to port.
|
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
|
| Garry Copeland
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Subject: | Squeezing solid rivets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Is there a way to squeeze these rivets without buying a rivet squeezer?
A bench vice, perhaps? A rivet squeezer runs for about $130 which seems
hardly worth it considering the small number of rivets, and I don't
know anyone who owns one of these to borrow from. Having gotten used to
the pop rivets, I was surprised to find these rivets in the kit. Any
advice is appreciated.
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Exhaust pipe flanges - 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>When you torque the nuts, you will notice that the flanges (the ones
held in place by the bolts and nuts, not the bevelled flanges welded to
the pipes) begin to bend before you reach the lower limit of the torque
stated by Rotax. Do not apply more torque! The flanges (and the rest of
the exhaust system) are NOT Rotax parts, and evidently don't take the
Rotax stated torque without bending.
I checked this with Andy today: It is difficult to explain why Rotax
keep stating the torque when the nuts are check-nuts and therefore do
not require a minimum torque to stay put. The nuts should, according to
Andy, only be torqued to give a tight connection, to avoid exhaust
leaks. There is no proven need to torque more, the system will stay in
place even though this connection to the cylinder heads is the only
place where the entire exhaust system is anchored to the engine.
Andy will place a note about this in the next Tech Talk column in the
Europa Flyer, and in the f.w. forward manual at next revision.<
Although it seems unlikely the nuts can work loose. In the first year I
had one manifold (the front stbd) come loose enough to allow sooting of
the head due to gases escaping. It needed about 3 turns of the nut
before it even touched the flange. I know that I am not the only case
and have checked the nuts regularly since. The latest nuts are slightly
different (copper coloured for identification purposes) so might stay
put better. One thought is, if there is enough thread available, lock
the nut with an extra half nut.
Nigel Charles
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Subject: | Squeezing solid rivets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Is there a way to squeeze these rivets without buying a rivet squeezer?
A bench vice, perhaps? A rivet squeezer runs for about $130 which seems
hardly worth it considering the small number of rivets, and I don't know
anyone who owns one of these to borrow from. Having gotten used to the
pop rivets, I was surprised to find these rivets in the kit. Any advice
is appreciated.<
I found that I got good results using the following technique:
Use an appropriate sized drill to drill a shallow hollow in the top of a
flat area on your bench vice.
Place the assembly head down so that the rivet head is supported in the
hollow.
Carefully hammer the rivet until the desired grip is achieved.
Nigel Charles
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Subject: | Squeezing solid rivets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Andrew.
It is accepted practice to use a small hammer and a hollowed head anvil
giving back support. They need to be hit flat and expanded to a specific
diameter which stops well short of them beginning to split. I suggest
you do one or two as a learning curve exercise. When on your work piece
I suggest doing them diametrically opposite when working on tubing and
probably get a number partially started to ensure complete alignment
prior to final riveting into place. If you are working on the torque
tubes under the cockpit module be sure to arrange the radial
displacement of all the rivets so to not have any at "clock positions"
12 o'clock and 6 o'clock.
Otherwise you may get into "collision mode" with the torque tubes and
the internal aileron tubes on maximum travel positions.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Sarangan
Subject: Europa-List: Squeezing solid rivets
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Is there a way to squeeze these rivets without buying a rivet squeezer?
A bench vice, perhaps? A rivet squeezer runs for about $130 which seems
hardly worth it considering the small number of rivets, and I don't
know anyone who owns one of these to borrow from. Having gotten used to
the pop rivets, I was surprised to find these rivets in the kit. Any
advice is appreciated.
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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