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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 (Graham Singleton)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Steven Pitt)
3. 07:04 AM - Shobdon Tsunami Appeal Fly IN - Sat 12th Feb (percyville)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Cliff Shaw)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel (Gerry Holland)
6. 09:42 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Fergus Kyle)
7. 10:23 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel (Gerry Holland)
8. 11:42 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Tony Krzyzewski)
9. 11:55 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Fergus Kyle)
10. 11:58 AM - TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
12. 12:28 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Jos Okhuijsen)
13. 01:10 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
14. 01:25 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (John & Amy Eckel)
15. 01:57 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
16. 02:03 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
17. 03:00 PM - Tailplane Balance (Jim Butcher)
18. 03:00 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Cliff Shaw)
19. 04:05 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (Terry Seaver)
20. 06:24 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (Vaughn Teegarden)
21. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 (Steve Crimm)
22. 07:30 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (N55XS)
23. 07:35 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (N55XS)
24. 11:35 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (Tony Krzyzewski)
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/01/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
><steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
>I noticed on one of Cliff Shaws Wile E. Coyotes pictures, with his aircraft
>sitting on his trailer, that it looked like he was stabilizing the airframe
>by using the W26 rear socket assembly with an attachment to the trailer
>frame.
Steve & Cliff
Nev has told you already, this is a decided NONO. I always stabilize,
(which the mono does need) using a luggage strap from low down on the
trailer over the fuselage just in front of the windscreen. A piece of soft
carpet under the strap will prevent marking the paint.
surfboard shops sell suitable straps which are ideal, you might need two
joined together to get the required length.
Graham
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Nev
As ever you answer one question and stir up others.
I have fitted a marine quality eye under the tail for strapping during
travel (in trailer) and for tie down on airfield.
In addition I intended to make up a 'dummy spar' to also tie down in the
trailer, either side and front and back - aluminium box spar, pinned into
the seat back using the spar pins. I was also hoping to use this spar to
pull the aircraft into my closed trailer. Are you saying this is also a
no!no!?
Regards
Steve Pitt #403 Tri-gear
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel
trailer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> NO NO NO !
> The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads only,
> the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer,
whilst on
> tow, would be far too high.
> Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the
> soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer.
> As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane
> torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer.
> The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane
during
> transit.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
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<europa@percyville.plus.com>
Subject: | Shobdon Tsunami Appeal Fly IN - Sat 12th Feb |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Not quite a drop of the hat..
Hereford Aero Club are organising a Tsunami Appeal Fly In at Shobdon
Airfield on Saturday 12th February
Reduced landing Fee : 5.00
All donated to the appeal
For fuel sales during the fly-in H.A.C. will donate:
10p for every litre of Avgas sold
5p for every litre of Jet A1 sold
Excellent Canteen
Weather reserve day Sunday 13th Feb.
Email: dennis@aeroclub.co.uk
Tel: 01568 708369
http://www.aeroclub.co.uk/
A Europa friendly location, and easy for several of us builders to drive
to!
May I propose we meet up for coffee around midday??
ELEVATION 318ft 11mb
LOCATION 6nm W of Leominster
N5214.48 W00252.88
RWY SURFACE TORA LDA LIGHTING Information
09 Asphalt 842 842 Thr Rwy A/G AFIS 123.5
27 Asphalt 842 842 Thr Rwy APAPI 3.5o LHS NDB SH 426
On A/D 10nm
Runway 09/27 Noise abatement circuits are always to the south @1000ft,
flying around the villages of Pembridge and Eardisland and avoid flying
over the village of Staunton on Arrow near 09 threshold on
Arrival/Departure. More details at http://www.aeroclub.co.uk/
Glider circuits are to the north utilising north side grass 09/27
Cheers
Paul Sweeting
europa@percyville.plus.com
http://fly.to/usk
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I am forced to speak in my own defense.
This is the second time in as many weeks that what I have said or done in
this forum has been rebuked by another member. (highly respected in each
case) I am not sure whether I would be complemented of offended.
In either case, I have and will not argue my side. It is your job to decide
for your selves. The way I built my airplane and fly my airplane is my
responsibility.
I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what
"home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other
parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I understand
that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas".
I will add a line on the front page of my pictures that reflects something
to this thinking. I am not telling others how to build there airplane. I
will leave that to those who "know" what is right and wrong. (I do not
believe there is only one way to do anything)
Thank you for reading down though all this, I feel better now !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel
trailer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> NO NO NO !
> The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads only,
> the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer,
> whilst on
> tow, would be far too high.
> Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the
> soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer.
> As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane
> torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer.
> The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane
> during
> transit.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
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trailer
Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel |
trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Cliff Hi! and well said!
> I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what
> "home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other
> parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I understand
> that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas".
I wish I lived in a land of the free. Unfortunately I cannot be trusted to
make any sensible judgements on my own behalf. So I end up being paranoid at
doing anything out of line or using common sense. It also means advice we
get can appear to be obstructive. It isn't. It's just keeping us clear of
the rule makers and their power of using the NO or WHY word.
Technical feedback is always useful and is well intentioned.
End of rant! Thanks Cliff for sharing your ideas. We can take them or leave
them.
Back on my head!!! Not a good day for me in the Blairdom of Britian
Gerry
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cliff (copy JerryH),
I read what you said on both occasions in the last few weeks and
enjoyed the flight of ideas and solutions you created in my head. There are
a number on this list who seem to think "sideways" and remind one that the
home brain is not the fountainhead of all ideas - ingenuous or ordinary.
Your input is always welcome and inspiring.
I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants
however. I spent a week or so twice in his company - sharing orange juice
and sofa cushions at OSH and admit he can be short and sharp [you want to
see what assinine and inane suggestions he withstood even in those short
intervals!]. Nevertheless, I found him on checking up that he bears no
grudge nor treats any 'diversion' with anything but objective and technical
considerations -nor does he need nor want any defence from me! The
frustration of the hubs of Hell is his nemesis, but he thrives in it and
then forgets it.
If he says the rear sockets were designed to carry lift/drag
forces only - then they were. If he has measured up to 20G on a transporter
then he has. You can bet your sweet bippee I'm not going to apply greater
forces than that to them.
You need no defence either, but taken with a bit of salt on the
tail, we can all bite our lips and forge ahead without rancor. Tell him to
go to Hell and do your own thing, but if he says 'don't piddle with it',
then don't. He;s thinking of us surfers. May your camel reach the oasis
every time.
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel
trailer
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
|
| All
|
| I am forced to speak in my own defense.
|
| This is the second time in as many weeks that what I have said or done in
| this forum has been rebuked by another member. (highly respected in each
| case) I am not sure whether I would be complemented of offended.
|
| In either case, I have and will not argue my side. It is your job to
decide
| for your selves. The way I built my airplane and fly my airplane is my
| responsibility.
|
| I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what
| "home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other
| parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I
understand
| that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas".
|
| I will add a line on the front page of my pictures that reflects something
| to this thinking. I am not telling others how to build there airplane. I
| will leave that to those who "know" what is right and wrong. (I do not
| believe there is only one way to do anything)
|
| Thank you for reading down though all this, I feel better now !
| Cliff Shaw
| 1041 Euclid ave.
| Edmonds, WA 98020
| 425 776 5555
| http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
| To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel
| trailer
|
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
| >
| > NO NO NO !
| > The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads
only,
| > the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer,
| > whilst on
| > tow, would be far too high.
| > Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the
| > soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer.
| > As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane
| > torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer.
| > The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane
| > during
| > transit.
| > Cheers,
| > Nev.
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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trailer
Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel |
trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Ferg Hi!
> I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants.
I must pick you up on these words.
Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence!
The man is barking mad and that's an end to it!
Got to go. Matron has arrived to take me to my room.
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel |
trailer
Received-SPF: none
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence!
> The man is barking mad and that's an end to it!
But in the nicest way :)
I've learnt over the years that when Nev (or Andy) recommend or suggest
something with regards to the Europa that it should be taken very
seriously.
Cliff, notwithstanding your comments about the land and the free, in
this instance, I think that this advice should be followed.
Regards (in the maddest sort of way)
Tony
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel |
trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel
trailer
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
|
| Ferg Hi!
| > I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants.
|
| I must pick you up on these words.
|
| Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence!
|
| The man is barking mad and that's an end to it!
|
| Got to go. Matron has arrived to take me to my room.
|
| Regards
|
| Gerry
Yeah, Sister's walking this way too - with a needle.
F
Happy 2005
sanding, sanding
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Subject: | TST template and Trim Bellcrank. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the
TST template. < Page 19-4>
The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube
dimension.
That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4 tube
or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the height
of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to
tail plane ratio.
Thanks in advance!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
There is another point that should be addressed:
One should be very careful when locking the airframe, or the wings, to a
trailer. If you lock it by the drag pin sockets, or wing pins, or at any
other two or more stiff points spread across or along the fuselage, you must
consider that the trailer is not infinitely rigid. You wish to prevent the
aircraft from moving about, but you do not want to use the aircraft to
prevent the trailer from twisting and bending as it moves along, and
especially as it hits the bumps. A flat-bed trailer, or an open-frame
trailer like the standard mono-wheel trailer, does not have too good torsion
stiffness. An enclosed trailer with metal walls and roof is stiffer, but I
would still not trust it to never excert an uneven force on the aircraft.
I have a covered trailer for my tri-gear (built by David Schofield). The
aircraft will be secured by shaped clamps over the two main wheels, and a
strap from a u-bolt under the tail to prevent it from ducking. A tri is of
course easy to secure.
The wings are carried along each side wall. To avoid the problem described
above (the wing adding stiffness to the wall), the wing is held against the
wall in only one place, at its CG, by a yoke-like clamp going cordwise. At
this same section of the wing, it rests against a shaped support on the wall
side of the wing. The forces from the support and the yoke is taken only in
way of the spar and the close-out section at the trailing edge of the wing).
The weight of the wing is carried only at the ends - under the spar root
(where there is also lateral suppor) and at the leading edge close to the
tip (flat support, hinged to ensure that it always lies dead flat under the
leading edge. No side support here. Cushioned, of course).
Regards,
Svein
A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Cliff,
Cheer up, as you said, it's your plane, and by having your mods public,
you can expect that not everybody agrees. Hope you will add some comments
to your pictures. Although i have been many times through them and picked
up a lot of good ideas, there might be details which i missed. Thanks
again for sharing your ideas!
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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Subject: | Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Brian,
Never mind the radius, just enlarge it a little ON THE SIDES, NOT REDUCING
THE DISTANCE TO THE 0.25" HOLE ON TOP!!. The template shall rest on the
torque tube, see fig. 5 in the manual. The essential dimension is the
distance from the surface of the torque tube to the underside of the
bellcrank bolt:
109.2-19-6.4/2=87.0 mm - see the template drawing in fig. 3 in Annex A.
Good luck!
Regards,
Svein
A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the
> TST template. < Page 19-4>
> The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube
> dimension.
> That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4
> tube
> or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the
> height
> of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to
> tail plane ratio.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Brian,
My torque tube measures 1.5 inches in Dia, the same as the template.
The template rests directly on the torque tube, see Fig. 5.
Suggestion--when mounting the TS01 and TS02 brackets use anchor nuts.
The same for the MAC trim servo. It will make removal and installation
of these parts so much easier if the need arises. (Ron Parigoris idea)
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the
> TST template. < Page 19-4>
> The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube
> dimension.
> That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4
> tube
> or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the
> height
> of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to
> tail plane ratio.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:11:41 PM Central Standard Time,
sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no writes:
The template shall rest on the
Torque tube, see fig. 5 in the manual. The essential dimension
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Thanks Svein. I guess that means I'll have to take those pins out and move
the TP9 drive horn over just a bit. When the trim brackets are centered per
instructions, the bolt will just all most reach the template with the TP9 in
place on the tube.
Thanks
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:26:20 PM Central Standard Time,
eckel1@comcast.net writes:
My torque tube measures 1.5 inches in Dia, the same as the template.
The template rests directly on the torque tube, see Fig. 5.
Suggestion--when mounting the TS01 and TS02 brackets use anchor nuts.
The same for the MAC trim servo. It will make removal and installation
of these parts so much easier if the need arises. (Ron Parigoris idea)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good idea on those nutz John. As much as I do not what to think about it...
That servo will have to be replaced at some point. What kind of anchor nuts
did you use?
Back on this template. Did you use the template with the TP9 installed on
the tube?
The bolt will just barley touch with the trim assembly on center line and the
template on the tube and edge on the TP9. I can lean the template over for
good contact but that lowers the bracket!
Having one of those days....
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Tailplane Balance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane
mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights
will be determined after the tail planes are painted.
Thanks
Jim & Heather A185
XS 914 short wings
paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel |
trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
Having given this much too much thought I have developed a question.
The question is; Given that the trailer might be subjected to 20 G forces,
at what point is the fuselage strong enough to withstand such a force? Put
another way, Where are you going to tie on to the fuselage that is that
strong?
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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Subject: | Re: Tailplane Balance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jim,
After the tailplanes have been painted, some of the mass balance weight
has to be cut off. Some people have cut their weights into many pieces
of varying size/weight, and then iteratively tried combinations until
the tailplanes balanced.
We used a more deterministic method, which only required a single cut to
get good balance. The procedure can be found in our 'Europa Mods and
Building Tips', a copy of which can be seen at:
http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/europa_page.html
entitled 'Tailplane mass balance procedure'
regards,
Terry Seaver
Jim Butcher wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the
tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights
will be determined after the tail planes are painted.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim & Heather A185
> XS 914 short wings
> paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tailplane Balance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
The question as I see it, is "WHEN is the tailplane balanced properly?).
Does that mean you can put the tailplanes in any position while stationary
and the will stay there, neither moving up nor down. A wheel is balanced
when you can put it in any position and it does not rotate to another, even
when there is no friction impeding its rotation. Does the same apply to the
tailplanes? I was going to ask the same question myself.
Vaughn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting
the tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of
the weights will be determined after the tail planes are painted.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim & Heather A185
> XS 914 short wings
> paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Thanks guys, that was kind of my idea, but when I saw the picture with the
bracket I had to ask the question. Just another good example of how this
forum works.
BTW...Didn't mean to raise such a s..t storm guys, was not my intention.
Thanks
Steve
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
--> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/01/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
><steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
>I noticed on one of Cliff Shaws Wile E. Coyotes pictures, with his
>aircraft sitting on his trailer, that it looked like he was stabilizing
>the airframe by using the W26 rear socket assembly with an attachment
>to the trailer frame.
Steve & Cliff
Nev has told you already, this is a decided NONO. I always stabilize, (which
the mono does need) using a luggage strap from low down on the trailer over
the fuselage just in front of the windscreen. A piece of soft carpet under
the strap will prevent marking the paint.
surfboard shops sell suitable straps which are ideal, you might need two
joined together to get the required length.
Graham
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Subject: | Re: Tailplane Balance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Jim Butcher wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
>Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane
mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights
will be determined after the tail planes are painted.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jim & Heather A185
>XS 914 short wings
>paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine
>
>
>
>
My weights are all the way rearward. I then drilled all around the
forward most weight with ever increasing drill bit sizes, until the
tailplane came into balance...
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Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Props |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage=3474
>
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
>Edmonds, WA 98020
>425 776 5555
>http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
>
Thanks, Cliff, but I'm looking for the specs on the Warp Drive used on
the 912S. Anyone?
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Ready for paint and FWF
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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Subject: | Warp Drive Props |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
The info is there on the Airmaster site.. but you had to dig a bit deeper....
64" Wide Chord for the XS 912S/914
64" Tapered for the XS 912
62" Tapered for the Classic 912
Regards
Tony
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of N55XS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warp Drive Props
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage3474
>
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
>Edmonds, WA 98020
>425 776 5555
>http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
>
Thanks, Cliff, but I'm looking for the specs on the Warp Drive used on
the 912S. Anyone?
--
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Ready for paint and FWF
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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