---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/26/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:35 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 (Graham Singleton) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Steven Pitt) 3. 07:04 AM - Shobdon Tsunami Appeal Fly IN - Sat 12th Feb (percyville) 4. 08:35 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Cliff Shaw) 5. 09:02 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel (Gerry Holland) 6. 09:42 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Fergus Kyle) 7. 10:23 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel (Gerry Holland) 8. 11:42 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Tony Krzyzewski) 9. 11:55 AM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Fergus Kyle) 10. 11:58 AM - TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 11. 12:04 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 12. 12:28 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Jos Okhuijsen) 13. 01:10 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 14. 01:25 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (John & Amy Eckel) 15. 01:57 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 16. 02:03 PM - Re: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 17. 03:00 PM - Tailplane Balance (Jim Butcher) 18. 03:00 PM - Re: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer (Cliff Shaw) 19. 04:05 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (Terry Seaver) 20. 06:24 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (Vaughn Teegarden) 21. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 (Steve Crimm) 22. 07:30 PM - Re: Tailplane Balance (N55XS) 23. 07:35 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (N55XS) 24. 11:35 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (Tony Krzyzewski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:50 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 25/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" > > >I noticed on one of Cliff Shaws Wile E. Coyotes pictures, with his aircraft >sitting on his trailer, that it looked like he was stabilizing the airframe >by using the W26 rear socket assembly with an attachment to the trailer >frame. Steve & Cliff Nev has told you already, this is a decided NONO. I always stabilize, (which the mono does need) using a luggage strap from low down on the trailer over the fuselage just in front of the windscreen. A piece of soft carpet under the strap will prevent marking the paint. surfboard shops sell suitable straps which are ideal, you might need two joined together to get the required length. Graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:48 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" Nev As ever you answer one question and stir up others. I have fitted a marine quality eye under the tail for strapping during travel (in trailer) and for tie down on airfield. In addition I intended to make up a 'dummy spar' to also tie down in the trailer, either side and front and back - aluminium box spar, pinned into the seat back using the spar pins. I was also hoping to use this spar to pull the aircraft into my closed trailer. Are you saying this is also a no!no!? Regards Steve Pitt #403 Tri-gear ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > NO NO NO ! > The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads only, > the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer, whilst on > tow, would be far too high. > Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the > soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer. > As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane > torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer. > The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane during > transit. > Cheers, > Nev. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:18 AM PST US From: "percyville" Subject: Europa-List: Shobdon Tsunami Appeal Fly IN - Sat 12th Feb --> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" Not quite a drop of the hat.. Hereford Aero Club are organising a Tsunami Appeal Fly In at Shobdon Airfield on Saturday 12th February Reduced landing Fee : 5.00 All donated to the appeal For fuel sales during the fly-in H.A.C. will donate: 10p for every litre of Avgas sold 5p for every litre of Jet A1 sold Excellent Canteen Weather reserve day Sunday 13th Feb. Email: dennis@aeroclub.co.uk Tel: 01568 708369 http://www.aeroclub.co.uk/ A Europa friendly location, and easy for several of us builders to drive to! May I propose we meet up for coffee around midday?? ELEVATION 318ft 11mb LOCATION 6nm W of Leominster N5214.48 W00252.88 RWY SURFACE TORA LDA LIGHTING Information 09 Asphalt 842 842 Thr Rwy A/G AFIS 123.5 27 Asphalt 842 842 Thr Rwy APAPI 3.5o LHS NDB SH 426 On A/D 10nm Runway 09/27 Noise abatement circuits are always to the south @1000ft, flying around the villages of Pembridge and Eardisland and avoid flying over the village of Staunton on Arrow near 09 threshold on Arrival/Departure. More details at http://www.aeroclub.co.uk/ Glider circuits are to the north utilising north side grass 09/27 Cheers Paul Sweeting europa@percyville.plus.com http://fly.to/usk ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:06 AM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I am forced to speak in my own defense. This is the second time in as many weeks that what I have said or done in this forum has been rebuked by another member. (highly respected in each case) I am not sure whether I would be complemented of offended. In either case, I have and will not argue my side. It is your job to decide for your selves. The way I built my airplane and fly my airplane is my responsibility. I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what "home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I understand that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas". I will add a line on the front page of my pictures that reflects something to this thinking. I am not telling others how to build there airplane. I will leave that to those who "know" what is right and wrong. (I do not believe there is only one way to do anything) Thank you for reading down though all this, I feel better now ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > NO NO NO ! > The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads only, > the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer, > whilst on > tow, would be far too high. > Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the > soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer. > As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane > torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer. > The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane > during > transit. > Cheers, > Nev. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:07 AM PST US trailer Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Cliff Hi! and well said! > I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what > "home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other > parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I understand > that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas". I wish I lived in a land of the free. Unfortunately I cannot be trusted to make any sensible judgements on my own behalf. So I end up being paranoid at doing anything out of line or using common sense. It also means advice we get can appear to be obstructive. It isn't. It's just keeping us clear of the rule makers and their power of using the NO or WHY word. Technical feedback is always useful and is well intentioned. End of rant! Thanks Cliff for sharing your ideas. We can take them or leave them. Back on my head!!! Not a good day for me in the Blairdom of Britian Gerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:26 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cliff (copy JerryH), I read what you said on both occasions in the last few weeks and enjoyed the flight of ideas and solutions you created in my head. There are a number on this list who seem to think "sideways" and remind one that the home brain is not the fountainhead of all ideas - ingenuous or ordinary. Your input is always welcome and inspiring. I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants however. I spent a week or so twice in his company - sharing orange juice and sofa cushions at OSH and admit he can be short and sharp [you want to see what assinine and inane suggestions he withstood even in those short intervals!]. Nevertheless, I found him on checking up that he bears no grudge nor treats any 'diversion' with anything but objective and technical considerations -nor does he need nor want any defence from me! The frustration of the hubs of Hell is his nemesis, but he thrives in it and then forgets it. If he says the rear sockets were designed to carry lift/drag forces only - then they were. If he has measured up to 20G on a transporter then he has. You can bet your sweet bippee I'm not going to apply greater forces than that to them. You need no defence either, but taken with a bit of salt on the tail, we can all bite our lips and forge ahead without rancor. Tell him to go to Hell and do your own thing, but if he says 'don't piddle with it', then don't. He;s thinking of us surfers. May your camel reach the oasis every time. Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" | | All | | I am forced to speak in my own defense. | | This is the second time in as many weeks that what I have said or done in | this forum has been rebuked by another member. (highly respected in each | case) I am not sure whether I would be complemented of offended. | | In either case, I have and will not argue my side. It is your job to decide | for your selves. The way I built my airplane and fly my airplane is my | responsibility. | | I have made many mods to my Europa, and am still doing so. That is what | "home building - experimental " is here in the Land Of The Free. In other | parts of the world people are restricted in what they can do. I understand | that, but I will not allow that to curb my "good ideas". | | I will add a line on the front page of my pictures that reflects something | to this thinking. I am not telling others how to build there airplane. I | will leave that to those who "know" what is right and wrong. (I do not | believe there is only one way to do anything) | | Thank you for reading down though all this, I feel better now ! | Cliff Shaw | 1041 Euclid ave. | Edmonds, WA 98020 | 425 776 5555 | http://www.europaowners.org/WileE | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: | To: | Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel | trailer | | | > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com | > | > NO NO NO ! | > The drag sockets were designed / stressed to take lift / drag loads only, | > the shock loads that could be transmitted from a bracket on a trailer, | > whilst on | > tow, would be far too high. | > Figure on seeing ''blips'' as high as 20G over poor roads, even with the | > soft /light duty suspension fitted to the Europa trailer. | > As a general rule, never use airframe fittings, including the tailplane | > torque tube, to support /retain the plane on a trailer. | > The main gear swinging arm was designed to support /capture the plane | > during | > transit. | > Cheers, | > Nev. | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:37 AM PST US trailer Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Ferg Hi! > I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants. I must pick you up on these words. Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence! The man is barking mad and that's an end to it! Got to go. Matron has arrived to take me to my room. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer From: "Tony Krzyzewski" Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" > Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence! > The man is barking mad and that's an end to it! But in the nicest way :) I've learnt over the years that when Nev (or Andy) recommend or suggest something with regards to the Europa that it should be taken very seriously. Cliff, notwithstanding your comments about the land and the free, in this instance, I think that this advice should be followed. Regards (in the maddest sort of way) Tony ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:25 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer | --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland | | Ferg Hi! | > I don't think you need be quite so sensitive to Neville's rants. | | I must pick you up on these words. | | Sensitivity and Neville should never be used in the same sentence! | | The man is barking mad and that's an end to it! | | Got to go. Matron has arrived to take me to my room. | | Regards | | Gerry Yeah, Sister's walking this way too - with a needle. F Happy 2005 sanding, sanding ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:15 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the TST template. < Page 19-4> The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube dimension. That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4 tube or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the height of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to tail plane ratio. Thanks in advance! Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:35 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" There is another point that should be addressed: One should be very careful when locking the airframe, or the wings, to a trailer. If you lock it by the drag pin sockets, or wing pins, or at any other two or more stiff points spread across or along the fuselage, you must consider that the trailer is not infinitely rigid. You wish to prevent the aircraft from moving about, but you do not want to use the aircraft to prevent the trailer from twisting and bending as it moves along, and especially as it hits the bumps. A flat-bed trailer, or an open-frame trailer like the standard mono-wheel trailer, does not have too good torsion stiffness. An enclosed trailer with metal walls and roof is stiffer, but I would still not trust it to never excert an uneven force on the aircraft. I have a covered trailer for my tri-gear (built by David Schofield). The aircraft will be secured by shaped clamps over the two main wheels, and a strap from a u-bolt under the tail to prevent it from ducking. A tri is of course easy to secure. The wings are carried along each side wall. To avoid the problem described above (the wing adding stiffness to the wall), the wing is held against the wall in only one place, at its CG, by a yoke-like clamp going cordwise. At this same section of the wing, it rests against a shaped support on the wall side of the wing. The forces from the support and the yoke is taken only in way of the spar and the close-out section at the trailing edge of the wing). The weight of the wing is carried only at the ends - under the spar root (where there is also lateral suppor) and at the leading edge close to the tip (flat support, hinged to ensure that it always lies dead flat under the leading edge. No side support here. Cushioned, of course). Regards, Svein A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer From: "Jos Okhuijsen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Cliff, Cheer up, as you said, it's your plane, and by having your mods public, you can expect that not everybody agrees. Hope you will add some comments to your pictures. Although i have been many times through them and picked up a lot of good ideas, there might be details which i missed. Thanks again for sharing your ideas! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:24 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Brian, Never mind the radius, just enlarge it a little ON THE SIDES, NOT REDUCING THE DISTANCE TO THE 0.25" HOLE ON TOP!!. The template shall rest on the torque tube, see fig. 5 in the manual. The essential dimension is the distance from the surface of the torque tube to the underside of the bellcrank bolt: 109.2-19-6.4/2=87.0 mm - see the template drawing in fig. 3 in Annex A. Good luck! Regards, Svein A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the > TST template. < Page 19-4> > The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube > dimension. > That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4 > tube > or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the > height > of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to > tail plane ratio. > > Thanks in advance! > Brian Skelly > Texas > Europa # A276 TriGear > See My build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:27 PM PST US From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" Brian, My torque tube measures 1.5 inches in Dia, the same as the template. The template rests directly on the torque tube, see Fig. 5. Suggestion--when mounting the TS01 and TS02 brackets use anchor nuts. The same for the MAC trim servo. It will make removal and installation of these parts so much easier if the need arises. (Ron Parigoris idea) John, A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > I'm trying to install the critical distance of the trim bellcrank with the > TST template. < Page 19-4> > The dimension given for the radius appear to be smaller that the TP4 tube > dimension. > That aside, I need to know if this template should be resting on the TP4 > tube > or the TP9 drive horn. This would certainly make as difference in the > height > of the trim bellcrank assembly thus throwing off the gearing of the tab to > tail plane ratio. > > Thanks in advance! > Brian Skelly > Texas > Europa # A276 TriGear > See My build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:20 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:11:41 PM Central Standard Time, sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no writes: The template shall rest on the Torque tube, see fig. 5 in the manual. The essential dimension >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Thanks Svein. I guess that means I'll have to take those pins out and move the TP9 drive horn over just a bit. When the trim brackets are centered per instructions, the bolt will just all most reach the template with the TP9 in place on the tube. Thanks Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:14 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: TST template and Trim Bellcrank. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:26:20 PM Central Standard Time, eckel1@comcast.net writes: My torque tube measures 1.5 inches in Dia, the same as the template. The template rests directly on the torque tube, see Fig. 5. Suggestion--when mounting the TS01 and TS02 brackets use anchor nuts. The same for the MAC trim servo. It will make removal and installation of these parts so much easier if the need arises. (Ron Parigoris idea) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good idea on those nutz John. As much as I do not what to think about it... That servo will have to be replaced at some point. What kind of anchor nuts did you use? Back on this template. Did you use the template with the TP9 installed on the tube? The bolt will just barley touch with the trim assembly on center line and the template on the tube and edge on the TP9. I can lean the template over for good contact but that lowers the bracket! Having one of those days.... Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:02 PM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights will be determined after the tail planes are painted. Thanks Jim & Heather A185 XS 914 short wings paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:02 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All Having given this much too much thought I have developed a question. The question is; Given that the trailer might be subjected to 20 G forces, at what point is the fuselage strong enough to withstand such a force? Put another way, Where are you going to tie on to the fuselage that is that strong? Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:06 PM PST US From: Terry Seaver Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver Hi Jim, After the tailplanes have been painted, some of the mass balance weight has to be cut off. Some people have cut their weights into many pieces of varying size/weight, and then iteratively tried combinations until the tailplanes balanced. We used a more deterministic method, which only required a single cut to get good balance. The procedure can be found in our 'Europa Mods and Building Tips', a copy of which can be seen at: http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/europa_page.html entitled 'Tailplane mass balance procedure' regards, Terry Seaver Jim Butcher wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > > Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights will be determined after the tail planes are painted. > > Thanks > > Jim & Heather A185 > XS 914 short wings > paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:47 PM PST US From: "Vaughn Teegarden" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" The question as I see it, is "WHEN is the tailplane balanced properly?). Does that mean you can put the tailplanes in any position while stationary and the will stay there, neither moving up nor down. A wheel is balanced when you can put it in any position and it does not rotate to another, even when there is no friction impeding its rotation. Does the same apply to the tailplanes? I was going to ask the same question myself. Vaughn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > > Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights will be determined after the tail planes are painted. > > Thanks > > Jim & Heather A185 > XS 914 short wings > paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:31 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Thanks guys, that was kind of my idea, but when I saw the picture with the bracket I had to ask the question. Just another good example of how this forum works. BTW...Didn't mean to raise such a s..t storm guys, was not my intention. Thanks Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/25/05 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton --> At 23:56 25/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Stabilizing the airframe when on the monowheel trailer > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" > > >I noticed on one of Cliff Shaws Wile E. Coyotes pictures, with his >aircraft sitting on his trailer, that it looked like he was stabilizing >the airframe by using the W26 rear socket assembly with an attachment >to the trailer frame. Steve & Cliff Nev has told you already, this is a decided NONO. I always stabilize, (which the mono does need) using a luggage strap from low down on the trailer over the fuselage just in front of the windscreen. A piece of soft carpet under the strap will prevent marking the paint. surfboard shops sell suitable straps which are ideal, you might need two joined together to get the required length. Graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:02 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Balance --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Jim Butcher wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > >Can someone point me to where the manual gives instruction for adjusting the tailplane mass balance. Chapter 20 merely says the final position of the weights will be determined after the tail planes are painted. > >Thanks > >Jim & Heather A185 >XS 914 short wings >paint done, electrical about done, ready to hang engine > > > > My weights are all the way rearward. I then drilled all around the forward most weight with ever increasing drill bit sizes, until the tailplane came into balance... -- Rocketman - RM Holsters: http://www.rmholsters.com FAL Gal Concealment Goods: http://www.falgal.com Ballistic Review: http://www.ballisticreview.com Aircraft Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:27 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warp Drive Props --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Cliff Shaw wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > >http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage=3474 > >Cliff Shaw >1041 Euclid ave. >Edmonds, WA 98020 >425 776 5555 >http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > > Thanks, Cliff, but I'm looking for the specs on the Warp Drive used on the 912S. Anyone? -- Jeff A055 Ready for paint and FWF Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warp Drive Props From: "Tony Krzyzewski" Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" The info is there on the Airmaster site.. but you had to dig a bit deeper.... 64" Wide Chord for the XS 912S/914 64" Tapered for the XS 912 62" Tapered for the Classic 912 Regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warp Drive Props --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Cliff Shaw wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > >http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage3474 > >Cliff Shaw >1041 Euclid ave. >Edmonds, WA 98020 >425 776 5555 >http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > > Thanks, Cliff, but I'm looking for the specs on the Warp Drive used on the 912S. Anyone? -- Jeff A055 Ready for paint and FWF Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.