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1. 02:40 AM - Re: Props (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 03:11 AM - Sunn Fun (josok)
4. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 (R.C.Harrison)
5. 09:14 AM - Brass to aluminum (SteveD)
6. 11:27 AM - Re: Brass to aluminum (Rob Housman)
7. 01:03 PM - Europa - fuel gauges (Fred R. Klein)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (SteveD)
9. 02:15 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Cliff Shaw)
10. 02:25 PM - NONONO sense of humor (EuropaForum)
11. 02:34 PM - Flap Drive (Sven den Boer)
12. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Fred R. Klein)
13. 02:46 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Fred R. Klein)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Cliff Shaw)
15. 03:05 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (SteveD)
16. 03:52 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Garry)
17. 04:02 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Paul McAllister)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: Europa - fuel gauges (Cliff Shaw)
19. 04:21 PM - Re: Flap Drive (Cliff Shaw)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: Flap Drive (Robert Berube)
21. 06:24 PM - Europa Club (Cliff Shaw)
22. 08:11 PM - Riveting aileron push tube (Andrew Sarangan)
23. 08:25 PM - Re: Riveting aileron push tube (Tim Ward)
24. 10:14 PM - Re: Airmaster Props (EMAproducts@aol.com)
25. 10:50 PM - Re: NONONO (SteveD)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> Henk, heb jij nog iets van Airmaster gehoord de laatste weken?? Hun
> website
> www.airmasterpropellers.com is momenteel niet te bereiken. Raar!
>
> Groeten, Sjaak. (volop met de motormontage bezig).
Hey Jack, you are not swearing on the list are you ?? <grin>
Guess what, my Dutch must be improving, I reckon I can just about understand
what you said. It IS Dutch isn't it ?
Best Regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> I still think the torque tube pin wear is caused by taxi loads.
Can't say I disagree Graham. Like two kids jumping up and down in unison on
a see saw!
Regards
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Maybe a little bit ahead of time, but who else is planning to go and can we organize
something like a house together?
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Kingsley.
There's two Aussie chaps chasing me for my mod. to clamp up the torque
tube assembly one spoke to me a couple of days ago and I undertook to
contact him back but I've misplaced his e-mail address. Do you know them
?if so please get them to e-mail me ASAP.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> I still think the torque tube pin wear is caused by taxi loads.
Can't say I disagree Graham. Like two kids jumping up and down in
unison on
a see saw!
Regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Brass to aluminum |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
What are the dissimulator metal rules for fittings. I have brass fittings in aluminum
for the fuel system. Then I was thinking that might not be such a good
idea. I searched gascolator in the photo gallery and saw all of them had aluminum
fittings and all of them had a brass drain valves.
Thanks,
steved
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| Subject: | Brass to aluminum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
In order for corrosion to result from two dissimilar metals in contact there
must also be a conductive medium, also called an electrolyte, present in
contact with both metals. Avgas and mogas are non-ionic liquids that are
non-conductive. Ergo, no corrosion will result in your example. That said,
there is a small (with emphasis on small) risk that there may be atmospheric
conditions conducive to corrosion, and this is especially true if your
aircraft is parked for an extended period near salt water where there will
be airborne salt spray, which we all know is a corrosive medium.
In the case of brass and aluminum it will be the aluminum that gets damaged
from corrosion.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SteveD
Subject: Europa-List: Brass to aluminum
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
What are the dissimulator metal rules for fittings. I have brass fittings in
aluminum for the fuel system. Then I was thinking that might not be such a
good idea. I searched gascolator in the photo gallery and saw all of them
had aluminum fittings and all of them had a brass drain valves.
Thanks,
steved
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| Subject: | Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi SteveD,
In reviewing your build/website photos, I notice you've installed a
capacitance fuel probe as well as the std sight gauge; I've read that a
number of flyers report that the sight gauge is useless.
Were you to do this over again, would you omit the sight gauge entirely?
Can you tell me the model # and source for the capacitance fuel probe and
companion gauge?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | RE: Europa - fuel gauges |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I purchased the capacitance fuel gauge from europa. The Vendor is Princeton Electronics
Inc. 616 281-5193 ask for Todd Stenhouwer.
The Gauge glass is from:
http://home.comcast.net/~nostromo56/
I was told there is a requirement to be able to visually check fuel level prior
to flight. With the europa you can't look down the filler. If I had to do it
again I think I would go with the capacitance and the gauge between the seat.
That one is accurate until the saddle.
Steved
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Fred
I had the same question. Is I understand it the FAA has a requirement to be
able to measure the fuel quantity visually . (pre flight walk around)
Anyway, I made a sight gauge just behind the passenger seat in the baggage
bay. That way I can keep an eye on it while I am fueling. I think there
pictures of how I built mine on the web pictures of WEC. (Wile E. Coyote
N229WC { not water closer}) Have a look; page 3 and bottom of page 7 .
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi SteveD,
>
> In reviewing your build/website photos, I notice you've installed a
> capacitance fuel probe as well as the std sight gauge; I've read that a
> number of flyers report that the sight gauge is useless.
>
> Were you to do this over again, would you omit the sight gauge entirely?
>
> Can you tell me the model # and source for the capacitance fuel probe and
> companion gauge?
>
> Fred
> A194
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| Subject: | NONONO sense of humor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Apparently my sense of humor has set off someone's filter and such
subversive information is being blocked.
I'm just testing to see if some how the link is causing the trouble or
the text, and just were the file is being stopped in its trip around
the world.
If the link makes it.... Then it's the text..... very strange : )
Steved
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
All,
When operating the flaps, the flap drive engine does neither stop on Flaps fully
extended nor on fully up.
Is this a misallignemt or should the sitiuation be like this.
Appreciate your help.
Sven den Boer
PH-SBR
A168
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Steved,
I'm not quite clear in the meaning of your post. Am I correct in
understanding that the "gauge" you mention is a reference to the tubular
sight guage?..that you would mount in vertical between the seat backs?..and
connect it to the tank on the main tank side of the saddle dividing the main
from the reserve?
Sorry for my ignorance, and thank you for the source for the capacitance
probe & gauge!
Fred
on 1/29/05 2:04 PM, SteveD at Post2Forum@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
>
> If I had to do it again I think I would go with the capacitance and the gauge
> between the seat. That one is accurate until the saddle.
>
> Steved
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Thanks Cliff,..I'd forgotten always climbing that ladder next to my Stinson
w/ my marked acrylic tube...figure there must have been a reason...time for
my meds!
Fred
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
on 1/29/05 2:16 PM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Fred
>
> I had the same question. Is I understand it the FAA has a requirement to be
> able to measure the fuel quantity visually . (pre flight walk around)
> Anyway, I made a sight gauge just behind the passenger seat in the baggage
> bay. That way I can keep an eye on it while I am fueling. I think there
> pictures of how I built mine on the web pictures of WEC. (Wile E. Coyote
> N229WC { not water closer}) Have a look; page 3 and bottom of page 7 .
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>
>> Hi SteveD,
>>
>> In reviewing your build/website photos, I notice you've installed a
>> capacitance fuel probe as well as the std sight gauge; I've read that a
>> number of flyers report that the sight gauge is useless.
>>
>> Were you to do this over again, would you omit the sight gauge entirely?
>>
>> Can you tell me the model # and source for the capacitance fuel probe and
>> companion gauge?
>>
>> Fred
>> A194
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I understand.
How is it going with you build? Have you sold all you wing tip lenses yet?
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Thanks Cliff,..I'd forgotten always climbing that ladder next to my
> Stinson
> w/ my marked acrylic tube...figure there must have been a reason...time
> for
> my meds!
>
> Fred
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
>
> on 1/29/05 2:16 PM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> I had the same question. Is I understand it the FAA has a requirement to
>> be
>> able to measure the fuel quantity visually . (pre flight walk around)
>> Anyway, I made a sight gauge just behind the passenger seat in the
>> baggage
>> bay. That way I can keep an eye on it while I am fueling. I think there
>> pictures of how I built mine on the web pictures of WEC. (Wile E. Coyote
>> N229WC { not water closer}) Have a look; page 3 and bottom of page 7 .
>>
>> Cliff Shaw
>> 1041 Euclid ave.
>> Edmonds, WA 98020
>> 425 776 5555
>> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>>
>>> Hi SteveD,
>>>
>>> In reviewing your build/website photos, I notice you've installed a
>>> capacitance fuel probe as well as the std sight gauge; I've read that a
>>> number of flyers report that the sight gauge is useless.
>>>
>>> Were you to do this over again, would you omit the sight gauge entirely?
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the model # and source for the capacitance fuel probe
>>> and
>>> companion gauge?
>>>
>>> Fred
>>> A194
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Europa - fuel gauges |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Fred,
Yes, the "Between the seats gauge" I meant was the clear plastic one. The gauge
is lighted, and reads from full to the level where the tank splits. Its is more
accurate then the foot-well gauges and less sensitive to pitch due to it's
proximity to the tank.
Steved
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
I got my trigear signed off by the FAA 5 years ago, without a sight gauge or
any visual means of checking fuel level. Perhaps the inspector just
overlooked it........I can't say whether or not it's a requirement. I do
have a capacitance gauge, but I don't trust it. I simply fly by computing
my fuel burn in GPH against the hours flown. It's very accurate.
Garry Stout
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From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Fred
>
> I had the same question. Is I understand it the FAA has a requirement to
> be
> able to measure the fuel quantity visually . (pre flight walk around)
> Anyway, I made a sight gauge just behind the passenger seat in the baggage
> bay. That way I can keep an eye on it while I am fueling. I think there
> pictures of how I built mine on the web pictures of WEC. (Wile E. Coyote
> N229WC { not water closer}) Have a look; page 3 and bottom of page 7 .
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa - fuel gauges
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>
>> Hi SteveD,
>>
>> In reviewing your build/website photos, I notice you've installed a
>> capacitance fuel probe as well as the std sight gauge; I've read that a
>> number of flyers report that the sight gauge is useless.
>>
>> Were you to do this over again, would you omit the sight gauge entirely?
>>
>> Can you tell me the model # and source for the capacitance fuel probe and
>> companion gauge?
>>
>> Fred
>> A194
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Fred,
I built a fuel gauge designed by Tony K. It has a 0 ~ 1" pressure
transducer that sits in he lowest point in the fuel system. A
microprocessor drives either a 10 segment bar display, or if you wish, an
analogue display. Tony has the circuit details on his WEB site and will
burn a pair of micro processors for you.
I have about 160 hours on the aircraft and it works fine, but to be honest I
primarily use the fuel totalizer built into my EIS. I do not have any sight
gauge at all.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - fuel gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Gerry
I agree. My inspector did not look at much more than the name plate. And on
it he said I put too much information, go figure. If I start out with a
full load of fuel and a cup of coffee, my bladder tells me when to land.
The Rocky Mountain Engine Monitor does an even better job. Fuel burn and
gallons remaining. I have it calibrated to right on. I do a guestaament on
the amount of fuel to top off, and come very close.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Sven
My flaps actuator stops on its own at the end of its travel. Either
direction.
Suggest you make a test on the bench with a battery. reversing the voltage
should make it move in the opposite direction.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Flap Drive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> When operating the flaps, the flap drive engine does neither stop on Flaps
> fully extended nor on fully up.
> Is this a misallignemt or should the sitiuation be like this.
>
> Appreciate your help.
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> A168
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The early flap motors were Motion Industries versions identical to all flap
motors in Van's RV series and the motor does not stop on its own, it must be
stopped with the switch. The later versions stop when they reach max
travel.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap Drive
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Sven
My flaps actuator stops on its own at the end of its travel. Either
direction.
Suggest you make a test on the bench with a battery. reversing the voltage
should make it move in the opposite direction.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Flap Drive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> When operating the flaps, the flap drive engine does neither stop on Flaps
> fully extended nor on fully up.
> Is this a misallignemt or should the sitiuation be like this.
>
> Appreciate your help.
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> A168
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
This past week I received in the mail (post) a large envelop from the Europa
Club. In it was the December copy of THE EUROPA FLYER . I was very
surprised.
I have now read every article, story, and advertisement. I am very
impressed. With out a doughty in my mind this is the best "news letter" I
have ever had. Thanks to the "club" for sending us all a copy. I have
singed up with Roland memsec@europaclub.org.uk so I will not miss out on
another copy of this outstanding news letter.
Thanks again for sharing your publication with all of us.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron push tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
When riveting the W17 end caps inside the aileron push tube, the figure
in the manual shows three rivets - top, bottom and side. From symmetry
arguments, I am assuming there is a fourth rivet on the other side of
the tube not shown on the diagram. Can anyone verify that? I looked at
others website construction logs, but could not get clear picture of
this step. Thanks for any help!
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Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting aileron push tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Andrew,
That is correct, your assumption is valid.
Cheers
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: Riveting aileron push tube
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
>
> When riveting the W17 end caps inside the aileron push tube, the figure
> in the manual shows three rivets - top, bottom and side. From symmetry
> arguments, I am assuming there is a fourth rivet on the other side of
> the tube not shown on the diagram. Can anyone verify that? I looked at
> others website construction logs, but could not get clear picture of
> this step. Thanks for any help!
>
>
> =====
> Andrew Sarangan
> http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster Props |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
AirMaster test pilot Tony K. posted message not long ago that the factory was
shut down on 2 week vacation so would be answering mail in near future.
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> (by way of
Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Cliff, I've looked through the gallery and I've found another mod I'd like
to bring up. What is the wing loading of an Acme sidewinder missile?
According to Janes they're 188 pounds each and cost $84,000. (17 in the
current market). Don't you think the exhaust plume is going to melt the
fiberglass? What's the CG with one missile deployed? Is the Coyote (
EATIBUS ANYTHINGUS ) licensed to be pilot in command?
What, oh what were you thinking..... : )
Steved
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