Europa-List Digest Archive

Sun 01/30/05


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 (Duncan McFadyean)
     2. 05:10 AM - Pitch Torque Tube (David Simenauer)
     3. 06:02 AM - Re: Airmaster Props (Jim Butcher)
     4. 07:42 AM - Europa Gallery RSS feed (SteveD)
     5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: NONONO (Cliff Shaw)
     6. 02:33 PM - Re: Europa Club (Jeremy Davey)
     7. 06:01 PM - Re: Pitch Torque Tube (Cliff Shaw)
     8. 06:36 PM - counterboring spar (Andrew Sarangan)
     9. 06:59 PM - Re: counterboring spar (Tim Ward)
    10. 07:00 PM - Re: counterboring spar (Cliff Shaw)
    11. 11:34 PM - Re: counterboring spar (Kingsley Hurst)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:05:47 AM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> <<Like two kids jumping up and down in unison on > a see saw!>> Or worse, one end of the see-saw being allowed to bang violently onto the ground (in this comparison the upper stop). Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/27/05 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> > > > I still think the torque tube pin wear is caused by taxi loads. > > Can't say I disagree Graham. Like two kids jumping up and down in unison on > a see saw! > > Regards > Kingsley > Do not archive > >


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    Time: 05:10:59 AM PST US
    From: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
    Subject: Pitch Torque Tube
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net> I am about to mount the pitch torque tube to the cockpit module. I have the CS09 brackets clamped in position now. My question is about the amount of movement I should have. With it in the position I have it now, the pitch push rods move about 2.25 inches, 55 mm, forward and back. Is this enough? I have looked, but can't find mention of this in the manual. Thanks, Dave Simenauer A101 Trigear


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    Time: 06:02:52 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: Re: Airmaster Props
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> Indeed, Airmaster was on vacation. Martin has contacted us and our prop leaves NZ on Monday! Jim & Heather Butcher A185


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    Time: 07:42:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Europa Gallery RSS feed
    From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> With the Gallery getting larger and larger it has become hard to keep track of what's new on the site. I've added a RSS feed to the gallery pages. At the bottom of the Photo gallery page is a little orange RSS feed button when you click it you will be treated to a page full of mind numbing html nonsense. This believe it or not is good. Copy the URL: http://www.europaowners.org/modules/gallery/rss.php and paste it into a RSS reader program. Windows users sorry I have no idea but if you Goggle "RSS Reader" I'm sure you can find free software. Mac users I'm using a program called NewsFire. These programs will monitor the gallery for you and if anything is new, show you a thumbnail of the picture. If you click the thumbnail it well take you to the gallery. The first time you run your new reader it will try to show you all 4000+ photos. Just click "mark all read" from then on it will show you only new photos. If you have any questions please post them on the EuropaOwners site to keep this traffic off the list. http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=4714#4714 Thanks, Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/


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    Time: 07:50:07 AM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: NONONO
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Steve Thanks a BUNCH !!!! I hope this makes every one lighten up. Remember, there is always another way to do something. Our opinions are just "our opinions" until some one knows of them. I like to speak my mind, but as of late, it is with a bit more cushion. "Wile E. Coyote" was built by an armature ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveD (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> Subject: Europa-List: RE: NONONO > --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> (by > way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>) > > Cliff, I've looked through the gallery and I've found another mod I'd like > to bring up. What is the wing loading of an Acme sidewinder missile? > According to Janes they're 188 pounds each and cost $84,000. (17 in the > current market). Don't you think the exhaust plume is going to melt the > fiberglass? What's the CG with one missile deployed? Is the Coyote ( > EATIBUS ANYTHINGUS ) licensed to be pilot in command? > > What, oh what were you thinking..... : ) > > Steved > > ---------------- > This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: > http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=4690#4690 > > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > >


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    Time: 02:33:11 PM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Europa Club
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Cliff, Your email fills me with embarrassment. I was asked to do the following last Monday and didnt get it done: "to post a message on the forum sites to the effect that this issue of Europa Flyer is being sent to all registered Europa builders/users?You can say that anyone who would like to receive an email version (low resolution) should drop a request to editor@europaclub.org.uk and I'll gladly respond. All in the general idea of extending our coverage/membership etc." So... my apologies for being late, and I hope that all who received an unexpected copy of EF43 is really enjoying it! In my defence, it has been a very full week, and all spare time (and cash!) is being taken up by wedding plans... Hoping to get some time in on -ZA tomorrow night at long last [fingers crossed!]. Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1275 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> This past week I received in the mail (post) a large envelop from the Europa Club. In it was the December copy of THE EUROPA FLYER . I was very surprised. I have now read every article, story, and advertisement. I am very impressed. With out a doughty in my mind this is the best "news letter" I have ever had. Thanks to the "club" for sending us all a copy. I have singed up with Roland memsec@europaclub.org.uk so I will not miss out on another copy of this outstanding news letter. Thanks again for sharing your publication with all of us. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE


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    Time: 06:01:04 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Pitch Torque Tube
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> David I do not remember a dimension given for the movement of the push tub (CS05). The real important thing to look out for an interference with the rivets in CS05 as it rotates and the pitch push tube moves. Some people have had to "adjust" the rivets to avoid an interference. Good luck building. I sure miss those days. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net> Subject: Europa-List: Pitch Torque Tube > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net> > > I am about to mount the pitch torque tube to the cockpit module. I have > the CS09 brackets clamped in position now. My question is about the > amount of movement I should have. With it in the position I have it now, > the pitch push rods move about 2.25 inches, 55 mm, forward and back. Is > this enough? I have looked, but can't find mention of this in the manual. > > Thanks, > Dave Simenauer > A101 Trigear > > >


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    Time: 06:36:36 PM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: counterboring spar
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com> To fit the bellcrank on the port side, the manual calls for counterboring the spar to a depth of 16mm (0.6"). This seems rather excessive to me, considering that the bolt head could be comfortably buried with a 5mm counterbore. Wouldn't this cause the spar to become weaker, which is probably the most critical structure of the airplane? ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan


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    Time: 06:59:38 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: counterboring spar
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Andrew, On the monowheel classic wings we didn't counterbore at all. Must be different set up with the new style wing. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: counterboring spar > --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com> > > To fit the bellcrank on the port side, the manual calls for > counterboring the spar to a depth of 16mm (0.6"). This seems rather > excessive to me, considering that the bolt head could be comfortably > buried with a 5mm counterbore. Wouldn't this cause the spar to become > weaker, which is probably the most critical structure of the airplane? > > > ===== > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.geocities.com/asarangan > > >


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    Time: 07:00:37 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: counterboring spar
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Andrew I agree with you. In fact, I thing that is just what I did. The bolt may have to be a size longer. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE Working on another mod. > > To fit the bellcrank on the port side, the manual calls for > counterboring the spar to a depth of 16mm (0.6"). This seems rather > excessive to me, considering that the bolt head could be comfortably > buried with a 5mm counterbore. Wouldn't this cause the spar to become > weaker, which is probably the most critical structure of the airplane? > > > ===== > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.geocities.com/asarangan >


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    Time: 11:34:54 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: counterboring spar
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> > Wouldn't this cause the spar to become weaker, which is probably the most critical structure of the airplane? Andrew, The counter boring is done in the timber in the middle of the spar. When a beam is under load, the centreline takes no load. In the case of the spar under normal +ive G loading, the top of the spar is in compression and the bottom is in tension. The middle is neutral. The timber is only a spacer to hold the top and bottom spar rovings apart. Suggest you just use the bolt called out in the manual and countersink the hole until the other end of the bolt is just long enough to hold the parts it has to hold. If it is too long, it will conflict with the other bolt in the aluminium bracket when the wings are rigged. Regards Kingsley Mono Classic 281 in Oz.




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