---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/01/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 AM - Re: P{reparing the fuselage surface (David Joyce) 2. 10:51 AM - Radiator Fitting (John Cliff) 3. 11:13 AM - Re: Radiator Fitting (G-IANI) 4. 01:16 PM - Sourcing a 24V battery (Nigel Harrison) 5. 01:51 PM - Last Words on Tailplane Mass balance!! (p-a.austin) 6. 01:53 PM - Re: counterboring spar (Tony Renshaw) 7. 01:59 PM - Alternate static port? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 8. 02:26 PM - Re: Alternate static port? (R.C.Harrison) 9. 03:11 PM - Re: Last Words on Tailplane Mass balance!! (Tim Ward) 10. 03:17 PM - Re: Alternate static port? (Tim Ward) 11. 03:30 PM - Re: Alternate static port? (Kingsley Hurst) 12. 05:01 PM - Re: Alternate static port? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 13. 05:12 PM - Re: Radiator Fitting (Paul McAllister) 14. 05:17 PM - Re: Sourcing a 24V battery (Paul McAllister) 15. 05:47 PM - Re: Sourcing a 24V battery (Tony Krzyzewski) 16. 06:00 PM - Circuit Breaker (Troy Maynor) 17. 07:23 PM - Re: Alternate static port? (Tim Ward) 18. 11:44 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:32 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: P{reparing the fuselage surface --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Ferg, I don't think you will do any harm to the plane with acetone - I used lots of it with the blessing of my inspector who as you know is one of the country's experts on all things fibreglass. He insisted that the entire surface was fine sanded to a completely matt state before contemplating applying filler or paint. The Release coat contains a chemical which is highly allergenic, and I developed a seriously unpleasant lung sensitivity when sanding the fus, needing steroids and all sorts else to control - and that's with a history of never being allergic to anything, so do be careful at this stage! Best of luck! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: P{reparing the fuselage surface > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > Cheers, from snowy Ontario, > I am at the stage of preparing to apply a paint filler before > finishing the surface for under- and top-coat. When I wash the belly with > the specified soap mix, the water beads (we're talking centre flat belly > area) and there's a greasy shine to the surface. Since the filer is > water-based, it's a no-no. I am figuring it's release coat from the > factory - and I'm going to have to scrub with acetone (usual precautions) or > TSP. > Can any one who's been there or knows better whether I'm on the > right track and if yes - which to use or is either OK? > Ferg #064 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:31 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Europa-List: Radiator Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" Fitting the radiator (coolant heat exchanger) to the fabricated cooling duct, the book says "The radiator is bolted to the side platesof the cooling duct by two AN3-5A bolts and MS21042-4(?) nuts each side." Offering the radiator up inside the duct leaves a total gap (sum of both ends) of about 18mm between radiator ends and duct side plates. Have other people found this ? If so did you use tubular spacers on longer bolts to fill the gaps, or something more elaborate ? John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:43 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radiator Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" My radiator, supplied in 2002 was the same as your so I made tubular spacers as you suggest and used longer bolts. Looking at the new radiator Terry Clarke has just received this cranks in the, welded on, side plates which make it the width of the duct. If you use tubular spacers then the some air can go down the sides. I did not find this a problem but outside UK you may need the additional cooling. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Cliff Subject: Europa-List: Radiator Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" Fitting the radiator (coolant heat exchanger) to the fabricated cooling duct, the book says "The radiator is bolted to the side platesof the cooling duct by two AN3-5A bolts and MS21042-4(?) nuts each side." Offering the radiator up inside the duct leaves a total gap (sum of both ends) of about 18mm between radiator ends and duct side plates. Have other people found this ? If so did you use tubular spacers on longer bolts to fill the gaps, or something more elaborate ? John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:01 PM PST US From: "Nigel Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Sourcing a 24V battery --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" Dear All, I am planning to install a 24V electrical system as advised by Greg Richter of Blue Mountain avionics. The reason is that I am going 'all-electric' with an EFIS etc and feel his arguements in terms of safety margin in the event of alternator failure etc are compelling. I'm having difficuly in finding a source for the 24V battery in UK. Does anyone have any information on suppliers etc. Thanks. Nigel Harrison #584 ************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Manxnet Mail Plus anti-virus system. http://www.manx.net/mailplus ************************************************************* ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:13 PM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Last Words on Tailplane Mass balance!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" Section 21 of my manual doesn't make it clear, so I am assuming that when fully balancing the Tailplanes I must disconnect the Pitch Push-rod from TP9 thereby balancing the Tailplane only and not the Tailplane plus control system with its inherent friction. Appreciate the feed back. Peter. Classic #198 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:58 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: RE: Europa-List: counterboring spar --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw You old master you!!! Reg Tony R. At 06:34 PM 1/31/2005, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > > > Wouldn't this cause the spar to become >weaker, which is probably the most critical structure of the airplane? > >Andrew, > >The counter boring is done in the timber in the middle of the spar. >When a beam is under load, the centreline takes no load. In the case of >the spar under normal +ive G loading, the top of the spar is in >compression and the bottom is in tension. The middle is neutral. The >timber is only a spacer to hold the top and bottom spar rovings apart. > >Suggest you just use the bolt called out in the manual and countersink >the hole until the other end of the bolt is just long enough to hold the >parts it has to hold. If it is too long, it will conflict with the >other bolt in the aluminium bracket when the wings are rigged. > >Regards >Kingsley >Mono Classic 281 in Oz. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:07 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Anyone install an alternate static port in their Europa? Where did you buy it, and where did you install it? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:42 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Ron I used an aerofoil type with static and peito integral mounted on a small 3/4" "plinth" under the wing. Works OK but the plan was to ensure the peito pipe never got bent, pity was.... the location I used was the Europa recommended position forgetting that the peito port is forward of that position. So I had to insert a 4" length of copper brake pipe to extend the peito forward. Can't remember where I bought it but suspect it was from the USA. Regards Bob Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Parigoris Subject: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Anyone install an alternate static port in their Europa? Where did you buy it, and where did you install it? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:53 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Last Words on Tailplane Mass balance!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" Peter, Balancing the Tailplane is done with everything connected up. It is simply subtracting or adding (rarely) mass from/to the mass weights to balance the tailplane in its neutral position (along the fairing line of the fuselage). So left alone with the mass weight on, the tailplane does not pitch up or down by itself but remains neutral. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Last Words on Tailplane Mass balance!! > --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" > > > Section 21 of my manual doesn't make it clear, so I am assuming that when > fully balancing the Tailplanes I must disconnect the Pitch Push-rod from > TP9 > thereby balancing the Tailplane only and not the Tailplane plus control > system with its inherent friction. > Appreciate the feed back. > > Peter. > Classic #198 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:59 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" Ron, My alternate is the cabin pressure. I took a tee off the static line and run it down to just under the instrument panel with a shut off valve. If needed then all one has to do is reach under the panel and open the valve. The cabin pressure is a very good alternate I believe. Some say better and use it! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Alternate static port? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Anyone install an alternate static port in their Europa? > > Where did you buy it, and where did you install it? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:39 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > Anyone install an alternate static port in their Europa? Ron, The general consensus AFAIK is to just use cabin static. Other builders/flyers have reported minimal difference between cabin and recommended outside static location. Regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:02 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Hello Tim Do what type of valve did you use? Remember where you got it? "Tim Ward wrote: > I took a tee off the static line and run > it down to just under the instrument panel with a shut off valve." Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:22 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radiator Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" John, I filled in the space between the radiator and the side plates and added a some of the black stuff that came with the kit. I also put some .5" sponge rubber between the cowl and the bottom of the lowest radiator. You want to seal up every little spot you can, otherwise the air will take the least path of resistance. It has paid off as my mono wheel has never had an over temperature issue while on the ground. Paul ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:29 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sourcing a 24V battery --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Nigel, Just curious, how do you intend to charge your 24 battery? If you have a single 24 battery how are your going to run your 12 volt starter motor. Just curious, Paul ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sourcing a 24V battery From: "Tony Krzyzewski" Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> I am planning to install a 24V electrical system as advised by Greg Richter of Blue Mountain avionics. The reason is that I am going 'all-electric' with an EFIS etc and feel his arguements in terms of safety margin in the event of alternator failure etc are compelling. I think you'll find it difficult to find a "small" 24v battery. I presume that Greg was talking about the current draw for 24v systems being 1/2 of the current draw for 12v systems and therefore the panel will run longer as it's drawing less current. If this is perceived to be a problem why not just put in two 12v batteries which are probably going to weigh the same as a 24v battery and you can also do smart things like having a failover configuration (talk to Paul McAllister about how useful that can be!). That way you aren't going to have any hassles with the starter or generator. Tony ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: Circuit Breaker --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" Hi All, Just a shot in the dark but here goes. I am looking for a one amp Klixon Circuit breaker. It needs to be the 2TC2-1 model in order to fit into my existing buss row. I have a 4 amp one to trade (new) if desired. I will accept a used one. I am reluctant to pay what the retail houses ask. Thanks. Troy Maynor N120EU Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:48 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternate static port? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" Ron, No I don't. I think it came as part of something else which I did not need. Anyway a very simple plastic valve that you unscrew to open. I feel it was from a model shop to use for fuel lines to a model engine. Yes, go to a model shop! I shall have a think about where I got it from going across the Pacific tonight. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternate static port? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Hello Tim > > Do what type of valve did you use? Remember where you got it? > > > "Tim Ward wrote: > >> I took a tee off the static line and run >> it down to just under the instrument panel with a shut off valve." > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:17 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. 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