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1. 01:34 AM - Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
2. 02:00 AM - Re: high compression (nigel charles)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Weert)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Richard Holder)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (G-IANI)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: high compression (Fred Fillinger)
7. 09:17 AM - Re: C/S propellers (Curtis Jaussi)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: Propeller Diameter (David Joyce)
9. 09:47 AM - Re: Propeller Diameter (David Joyce)
10. 09:47 AM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (David Joyce)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Alan Burrows)
12. 10:54 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Weert)
13. 11:28 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Ward)
14. 12:22 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Duncan McFadyean)
15. 12:22 PM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Duncan McFadyean)
16. 12:29 PM - test flying my own creation (Paul Boulet)
17. 12:32 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Duncan McFadyean)
18. 12:54 PM - Re: test flying my own creation ()
19. 01:07 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Dari Sagar)
20. 01:19 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Duncan McFadyean)
21. 01:29 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
22. 01:29 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
23. 02:03 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Fred R. Klein)
24. 02:22 PM - Re: John Miller (Rowland Carson)
25. 02:45 PM - Re: John Miller (Richard Holder)
26. 02:59 PM - WAS Gascolator access hatch....NOW Rear Panel Access Through Fire Wall. (R.C.Harrison)
27. 03:17 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Jerry Rehn)
28. 03:24 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (R.C.Harrison)
29. 03:26 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Terry Seaver)
30. 04:18 PM - Re: John Miller (Cliff Shaw)
31. 04:46 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (MICHAEL PARKIN)
32. 04:57 PM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Cliff Shaw)
33. 05:43 PM - Re: test flying my own creation ()
34. 06:02 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Michael Grass)
35. 06:15 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Jim Thursby)
36. 07:09 PM - Re: C/S propellers ()
37. 07:20 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Tim Ward)
38. 07:27 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Bob Jacobsen)
39. 08:04 PM - Re: Flight Sin 2004 (Fred Fillinger)
40. 08:16 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Paul McAllister)
41. 08:16 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Michael Grass)
42. 08:25 PM - Aileron push tube travel (Andrew Sarangan)
43. 08:38 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Fred R. Klein)
44. 09:29 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Paul Boulet)
45. 09:35 PM - Re: Flight Sin 2004 (Cliff Shaw)
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Subject: | Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June
starting the 18th / 19th.
This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would
allow a full day at Colditz.
Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the
Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and
Garsham would be looking for a ride.
I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful
if some one else could this trip together.
Don't all rush at once!
Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made
for Europa club trips?
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Subject: | high compression |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Has anyone seen their Rotax compression go up?
If so, did it start harder, and what did you do to fix it?<
I have not checked them.
However there are many of us finding that the starting problem is due to
the starter motor not being powerful enough. Those who have upgraded the
starter seem to have solved the problem.
Nigel Charles
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Brian,
I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped with a gascolator. The
plane has a quick access door below the gascolator fitted under the port
hatch. It's easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below the port
flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor, fitted in the bottom of the
fuselage a 1,5 cm high strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window
to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the fuselage after draining.
This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation. I am sure Europa
2004 will be able to give you the data you need because Andy flew her many
hours.
Regards,
Tim.
Heerhugowaard,
PH-JAI
460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Hutchinson"
> <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Hi all,
> I plan to install an Andair gascolator somewhere under the rear baggage
> bay. I don't fancy the conventional Europa type access hatch with 4 screws
> to undo every time I need to check the filter bowl. It appears to me that
> any hatch would need to be a fair size, big enough to comfortably get your
> fingers in to release the safety clip and locking pin.
> Does anyone know if the PFA would accept a 'quick release' hinged panel in
> this area of the structure, something similar (but bigger) to the dipstick
> access hatch on the cowling? Has anyone already got an approved Mod they
> would be prepared to share?
>
> Brian Hutchinson
> Lincolnshire
> 357 mono 912s Airmaster
> No forecast finish date yet, but I think I'm now in the last 5 years!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped
> with a gascolator. The plane has a quick access door
> below the gascolator fitted under the port hatch. It's
> easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below
> the port flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor,
> fitted in the bottom of the fuselage a 1,5 cm high
> strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window
> to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the
> fuselage after draining.
> This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation.
> I am sure Europa 2004 will be able to give you the data
> you need because Andy flew her many hours.
I suspect that no non-Europa PFA person saw it at all and
that all the mods on it are factory experiments, "tests of
future factory mods" under some type of "factory
exemption". G-KITZ flew from day 1 with the dual brake
master cylinder for finger brakes and the Mod (65 ?) only
came out 2 (?) years later.
So - yes the mods were signed off by a PFA inspector (Andy
or Neville) but I am sure there is no PFA documentation
associated with any of them.
As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the
firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what
are its construction details and size ?
Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely
wrong :-)
Richard
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
G-OWWW Europa Tri-Gear, High Cross
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Subject: | Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
"As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the
firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what
are its construction details and size ?
Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely
wrong :-)"
Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through the
fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and safer
ways of access to the panel.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Re: high compression |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> ...During our annual inspections we have been
> taking the cylinder compressions using an automotive
> compression tester. The first two inpections found the
> compression to be about 180 psi per cylinder. during the
> last inspection (about 10 months ago) the compression
> readings went up about 15-20 psi.
There's many variables in that test, but not in the differential
compression test which is universal in the airplane service biz. That
test gives you something to track trends, and even spot potential
problems coming. Well mostly, but what comes out of an automotive
style test can be more meaningless, more often. The spark-plug hole
fitting can be fabricated from an old spark plug and air-hose male
coupler, but think I saw a Rotax version in some catalogue.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is
considering the Quinti Prop?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R.
Klein
Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
Is there anyone out there who either:
- is flying with an IVOPROP?
- has purchased one? or
- has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?..
and would be willing to share their thoughts?
Fred
A194
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Subject: | Re: Propeller Diameter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they
would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum
they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and
ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce,
G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi yu All,
>
> After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are
flying
> with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller.
>
> I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for
> the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance.
>
> Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the
mono!
>
> Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only
> stupid question is that which is not asked.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Propeller Diameter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they
would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum
they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and
ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce,
G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi yu All,
>
> After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are
flying
> with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller.
>
> I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for
> the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance.
>
> Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the
mono!
>
> Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only
> stupid question is that which is not asked.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being
involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and
not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost
certainly someone better qualified to do it.
I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed for
stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up
with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is
there a sensible slot in the summer's program?
Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week
in June starting the 18th / 19th.
> This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and
would allow a full day at Colditz.
>
> Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits
of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both
Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
>
> I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
grateful if some one else could this trip together.
>
> Don't all rush at once!
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
>
> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
being made for Europa club trips?
>
>
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Subject: | Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Brian
I would be interested in coming on this trip, but would not be able to
help organise it due to my work commitments. However at the risk of
being thrown out of the Europa fraternity I have to confess to having
just purchased a Rockwell 112TC. For winter IFR flight only of course.
It also means that Kate wont keep "nicking" the aircraft and leaving me
the car..!
The point of this story is that if others were prepared to fly in a
"none Europa" then I would be happy to bring that one along as well,
giving us three empty seats. Let me know if its of use.
Alan
Ps The downside is they would have to fly with a "female" commercial
pilot (who should be in the **** kitchen..!)
PPS Contact me off list about the M.P.G. as I have it here for you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
--> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the
Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at
Colditz.
Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to
bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to
miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
grateful if some one else could this trip together.
Don't all rush at once!
Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
being made for Europa club trips?
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
> As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the
> firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what
> are its construction details and size ?
The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module close
to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other
side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I can
sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ).
It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the
firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to
fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is.
The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to check
engine oil and coolant.
Regards, Tim.
Heerhugowaard,
PH-JAI
460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Hi,
I fitted my gascolator on the inspection panel itself with the drain coming
through it. Fitted behind the fuel pump and cockpit module. To inspect it,
simply unscrew the panel and allow it to drop down and then you have access
to the mounting bracket it is connected to on the panel. Unscrew it from the
mounting bracket and take the panel away to gain access to the bowl. That
way it is easy as you do not have to unscew the back baggage bulkhead to get
at it and also, more importantly, it is outside to inspect so no fuel gets
into the aircraft.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
>
>> As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the
>> firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what
>> are its construction details and size ?
>
> The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module
> close
> to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other
> side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I
> can
> sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ).
> It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the
> firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to
> fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is.
>
> The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to
> check
> engine oil and coolant.
>
> Regards, Tim.
> Heerhugowaard,
> PH-JAI
> 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: C/S propellers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Who? What? Which?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>
> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is
> considering the Quinti Prop?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R.
> Klein
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyone out there who either:
>
> - is flying with an IVOPROP?
>
> - has purchased one? or
>
> - has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?..
>
> and would be willing to share their thoughts?
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<Why don't you fly up to Roche one of thes
> days?>>
Has Roche been extended yet?
A Europa would be able to fly in, but not out (?)
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
>
> Cliff, you are probably right, however most (general aviation) that land
> gear up discover the gear is up when their prop hits the ground! I mounted
> my gascolator 4 inches above the bottom of fuse. with an access door just
> below. One needs to lay under the plane to check it but I believe you do
> when the drains are below anyway. Not a big deal. BTW I have never found
> water in my gascolator . Have you? Why don't you fly up to Roche one of
thes
> days?
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > You will have a lot of aluminum and rubber to ware away before the water
> > drains start dragging the runway. If an planed gear up is made the fuel
> > shut-off should have been turned off. Just my thoughts.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
> > Do not archive
> >
> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> >> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> >>
> >> Kevin,
> >>
> >> Excellent point!..and admirable forethought!..recessing it might just
be
> >> worth the trouble!
> >>
> >> Fred
> >> A194
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>
> >> on 2/9/05 12:58 PM, Kevin And Ann Klinefelter at kevann@verizon.net
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
> >>> <kevann@verizon.net>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, but then if you belly in you may break the valve off and spark a
> >>> fire.
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>> A211
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> >>>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve
simply
> >>>> extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible
split
> >>>> fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic
> >>>> drag?
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred
> >>>> A194
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject: | test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be
kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check
pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total)
and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany
me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like
to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have.
Thanks
Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
David,
<>
I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest Europa
Flyer). I didn't escape either.
<<as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up
> with oil and water>>
A bit below the belt that!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind
being
> involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and
> not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost
> certainly someone better qualified to do it.
> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed
for
> stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped
up
> with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is
> there a sensible slot in the summer's program?
> Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
> >
> > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
week
> in June starting the 18th / 19th.
> > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc.,
and
> would allow a full day at Colditz.
> >
> > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to
bits
> of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both
> Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
> >
> > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
> grateful if some one else could this trip together.
> >
> > Don't all rush at once!
> >
> > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
> >
> > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
> being made for Europa club trips?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Paul
I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience
in monowheels.
Tom@whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on
(be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my
check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours
total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to
accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd
like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I
have. Thanks
Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
David,
Tut-tut..Some people just don't look after their engines....!!!!
We (Gail and I) would definately be interested in your tour de France (if
you will risk our company again). Will keep a look-out for your
announcement.
Hope all is well with you. Regards from G and me.
Dari
>From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:39:19 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being
>involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and
>not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost
>certainly someone better qualified to do it.
> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed
>for
>stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped
>up
>with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is
>there a sensible slot in the summer's program?
>Regards, David
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
><bryan@blackballclub.com>
> >
> > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
>week
>in June starting the 18th / 19th.
> > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc.,
>and
>would allow a full day at Colditz.
> >
> > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to
>bits
>of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both
>Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
> >
> > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
>grateful if some one else could this trip together.
> >
> > Don't all rush at once!
> >
> > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
> >
> > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
>being made for Europa club trips?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
being made for Europa club trips?>>
The better of the Devon Strut fly-ins
http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/events.htm
are Bolt Head 5 June, Branscombe 28 June and Roserrow 28 August.
All can be combined with camping or hotel accommodation, cliff-top walks,
etc.
Bolt Head affords a walk (or bus) in to Salcombe, water taxi to White Sands
and walk (through Nat Trust tropical gardens back to the airfield. Also has
one of hte best youth hostels in the UK.
Branscombe has an airshow, cream teas and much more if a bus is taken to one
of the local villages (but no buses on Sunday).
The Halwell event puts Dartmouth within striking distance (buses on Sunday
too). Or you can stand around on the airfield and talk 'shop'.
The events are only marred by the absence of Europas; such a waste!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week
in June starting the 18th / 19th.
> This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and
would allow a full day at Colditz.
>
> Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits
of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both
Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
>
> I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
grateful if some one else could this trip together.
>
> Don't all rush at once!
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
>
> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
being made for Europa club trips?
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Duncan.
I take no volunteers. Just prisoners - to Colditz!
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> David,
> <>
> I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest
> Europa
> Flyer). I didn't escape either.
>
> <<as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up
>> with oil and water>>
> A bit below the belt that!
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind
> being
>> involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian
>> and
>> not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost
>> certainly someone better qualified to do it.
>> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed
> for
>> stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped
> up
>> with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is
>> there a sensible slot in the summer's program?
>> Regards, David
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>>
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
>> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>> >
>> > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
> week
>> in June starting the 18th / 19th.
>> > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc.,
> and
>> would allow a full day at Colditz.
>> >
>> > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to
> bits
>> of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss.
>> Both
>> Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
>> >
>> > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
>> grateful if some one else could this trip together.
>> >
>> > Don't all rush at once!
>> >
>> > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
>> >
>> > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
>> being made for Europa club trips?
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________________________________________________
>> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited
>> > messages
>> > _______________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Hi David,
I think you have already volunteered for the stress free Tour de France.
Your command of the French language qualifies you for that one without
challange.
Though is nice of you to offer for the Colditz one, it would be only fair if
someone else had a bash. I cant see that a mastery of any of the language is
relevant in this case. After all, it is only the French that are reluctant
to speak English.
My experience in the Baltics is that they are all taught to speak English as
a second language. We just need some one to sort out some destinations with
appropriately cheap airfields, and to suggest a framework for the trip.
Just think of all that untapped souce of talent out there. I would suggest
someone like Bob, if he was not likely to want to go twice as far and ast as
every one else.
Cheers! Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind
> being
> involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and
> not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost
> certainly someone better qualified to do it.
> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed
> for
> stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped
> up
> with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is
> there a sensible slot in the summer's program?
> Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>>
>> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
>> week
> in June starting the 18th / 19th.
>> This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and
> would allow a full day at Colditz.
>>
>> Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits
> of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both
> Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
>>
>> I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
> grateful if some one else could this trip together.
>>
>> Don't all rush at once!
>>
>> Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
>>
>> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
> being made for Europa club trips?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: C/S propellers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/
It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine;
note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges.
Fred
A194
on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Who? What? Which?
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>>
>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is
>> considering the Quinti Prop?
>>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-02-07 19:31 -0800 Cliff Shaw wrote:
>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark,
>DE
Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He
was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave
nothing more than USA as his address.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark,
>>DE
>
>
> Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He
> was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave
> nothing more than USA as his address.
I looked at www.att.com and went for directory assistance,
put in Miller John Newark DE and it came up with 6 hits.
So that is the way to go.
I have only picked this up out of interest as Newark DE is
where I stay when I go to fly in the USA !
HTH
Richard
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Subject: | Gascolator access hatch....NOW Rear Panel Access Through |
Fire Wall.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! All.
I missed the question which must recently have been posed about "access
to rear of panel through Fire Wall" At least one of the Europa
demonstrators had such facilities .....probably G-KITS. I have a PFA
approved mod. and have embodied the facilities in G-PTAG in two areas.
a) above the P1 footwell to the rear of the instrument area.
b) and also an additional one behind the early Jabiru air cooler
providing access to the rear of the radio stack.
I would have to think very hard about doing a repeat since the panel is
very cluttered in there especially with many vacuum pipes to get past to
the electrical wiring. (Which being a wiring novice is like a rats nest
!)
However the main reason for my decision to make the panel a permanent
fixture was wanting to retain continuity of engine monitoring wires
without using connector blocks.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa KIT337 MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
"As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the
firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what
are its construction details and size ?
Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely
wrong :-)"
Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through
the
fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and
safer
ways of access to the panel.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Re: test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also
had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles
one occasionally.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
> on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed
> it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers
> (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out
> Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
> I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than
> I have. Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
>
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Subject: | Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Bryan.
As you know I was planning my own trip to incorporate Latvia Estonia and
possibly Poland between the Barkaby (Stockholm) and Stauning (Denmark)
rallies which are on consecutive weekends commencing Friday 3rd June.
I'm a little bemused you have moved your suggestion back to late
June?(other than you have a hidden message for me! When You last
communicated with me from somewhere overseas you said you would be in
touch ?)Otherwise I am interested in the Colditz thing? But I have
charity event commitments for the first two weekends in July which I
don't want to squeeze with a trip late June.
The purpose of my approach was to maximise the content of the distance
involved to attend both the Scandinavian rallies. Poland and/or Romania
may be in the frame with the Swiss Rally 19th August.
I then only have Romania, Portugal, Hungary and Greece left on my list
for G-PTAG to visit in Europe (I will be "passing" on Greece anyway
since the likelihood of them clapping me in jail ain't worth the risk!)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last
week in June starting the 18th / 19th.
This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc.,
and would allow a full day at Colditz.
Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to
bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to
miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride.
I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be
grateful if some one else could this trip together.
Don't all rush at once!
Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator
PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans
being made for Europa club trips?
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Subject: | Re: test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Paul,
I flew our Europa XS (mono wheel) for its first flight and subsequent 40
hour fly off. I had no Europa time but did have about 300 hours of tail
wheel time, mostly in a Great Lakes biplane.
I found the mono wheel Europa to be quite challenging, in its own way.
Before my first flight I asked a similar question as yours, with a
number of useful responses. I then flew a variety of airplanes, tail
wheel and tri gear, low wing and high, just to get used to flying
different things (I had flown the Great Lakes almost exclusively for the
previous couple of years, which led to some strong habits that needed to
be broke). The following are a list of suggestions and comments that I
would give to anyone transitioning to the monowheel.
1) Keep it off the monowheel alone, it is VERY tricky as a unicycle.
Don't get the tail up on take off like you would most other tail wheel
planes. For the Europa, keep the stick back until it is nearly ready to
fly, then relax the back pressure on the stick, letting it go to
neutral, the plane will almost immediately 'levitate' off the runway. I
'relax' back pressure at about 35 knots solo and about 40 knots dual.
Of course, on landings, try to get the tailwheel down before the main
wheel, or a the least, at the same time. No wheel landings and no high
speed taxing!
2) It is more tail heavy than most (relative to its weight). Once it
starts to move to either side, you have to aggressively correct, with a
'kick' (I have heard others use the term 'bootfull of rudder'), then get
off. I had trouble trying to finesse the rudder on the ground, once it
gets very far to the side, it doesn't want to stop.
3) If using the Graham Singleton tail wheel mod, I would strongly
suggest reducing the tailwheel throw if you operate off of a surfaced
runway. Ours was initially nearly 90 deg travel each way, which make
the plane very sensitive on the ground. We backed it off to +- 45
degrees of tail wheel travel, which helped.
4) You lose almost all tail wheel authority when braking, so let go of
the brake if you need to correct with rudder, then reapply the brake
once you are straight again.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Paul Boulet wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on
(be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check
pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total)
and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany
me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd
like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have.
Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Interesting coincidence ! I will look them up at ATT Thanks
Do not Archive
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Miller
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>>>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in
>>>Newark,
>>>DE
>>
>>
>> Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He
>> was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave
>> nothing more than USA as his address.
>
>
> I looked at www.att.com and went for directory assistance,
> put in Miller John Newark DE and it came up with 6 hits.
> So that is the way to go.
>
> I have only picked this up out of interest as Newark DE is
> where I stay when I go to fly in the USA !
>
> HTH
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Paul,
If you don't have a choice then I wish you all the best. HOWEVER, if there
is any way you can get someone to teach you take-offs and landings in your
Europa Monowheel I strongly recommend it. Our little aircraft has some
interesting little habits. I have a fair amount of flying time, but I am
very pleased that I received a check out from Andy Draper before I set off
solo. As some brave people have shown, it is quite possible to do what you
suggest, but I do think it is a little risky.
There are quite a few Europa drivers out there that were used to the
aircraft, and still managed to ground loop it - (sadly, me included).
regards,
MP (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
> on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed
> it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers
> (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out
> Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
> I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than
> I have. Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Gascolator access hatch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Duncan and Jerry
Jerry, Betty and I had a wonderful time with you today. Thanks. The tour of
your garage construction project was inspiring. You must get it finished so
you can fly your Europa more often.
FYI Roche Harbor (WA09) is a paved, private strip. It is 4300 long and
sloped down hill to the west and the harbor. Trees (tall) at either end and
narrow (30) make for good practice for "rookie" pilots like me. But Betty
told me after we landed the it was "good" , so I am happy with my flying
and landings. The weather was just perfect today in the "Great Northwest".
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
flew for 1.4HOB , 3000' ,143+ MPH , 5.8 Gal.(us) (I love my Europa)
>
> <<Why don't you fly up to Roche one of thes
>> days?>>
>
> Has Roche been extended yet?
> A Europa would be able to fly in, but not out (?)
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
>>
>> Cliff, you are probably right, however most (general aviation) that land
>> gear up discover the gear is up when their prop hits the ground! I
>> mounted
>> my gascolator 4 inches above the bottom of fuse. with an access door just
>> below. One needs to lay under the plane to check it but I believe you do
>> when the drains are below anyway. Not a big deal. BTW I have never found
>> water in my gascolator . Have you? Why don't you fly up to Roche one of
> thes
>> days?
>> Jerry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
>>
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > You will have a lot of aluminum and rubber to ware away before the
>> > water
>> > drains start dragging the runway. If an planed gear up is made the fuel
>> > shut-off should have been turned off. Just my thoughts.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>> >> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> >>
>> >> Kevin,
>> >>
>> >> Excellent point!..and admirable forethought!..recessing it might just
> be
>> >> worth the trouble!
>> >>
>> >> Fred
>> >> A194
>> >>
>> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >>
>> >> on 2/9/05 12:58 PM, Kevin And Ann Klinefelter at kevann@verizon.net
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
>> >>> <kevann@verizon.net>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, but then if you belly in you may break the valve off and spark a
>> >>> fire.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kevin
>> >>> A211
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>> >>>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve
> simply
>> >>>> extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible
> split
>> >>>> fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic
>> >>>> drag?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fred
>> >>>> A194
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
It helps if you are operating off grass. It helps if there is no cross
wind the first few flights. Watch the nose direction and not the wings
being level. Like most taildraggers, land at the stall speed with a little
power and keep the stick all the way back when you tough down. Come to
Knoxville and I will give you a ride and a feel for it.
Ken Carpenter
N 9XS 914 Mono
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
> on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed
> it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers
> (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out
> Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
> I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than
> I have. Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: C/S propellers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Fred,
I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive
blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could
feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing
something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a
Airmaster.
Base hub with blades = $5200
+ Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150
+ Automatic Controller =$ 900
+ Spinner += $ ???
Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
Way to cold to built in Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/
>
> It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine;
> note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
> on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
> wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> Who? What? Which?
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>>>
>>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is
>>> considering the Quinti Prop?
>>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi Paul, I checked Bob out in the factory plane in July of 2000 and as he
had a lot of swift time he took to it very easily. I think we shot eight or
so landings, did some rolls and he was very comfortable with it. You need
to shoot some landings with somebody and be comfortable with it. As Jerry
said the mono-wheel can humble you.
JimThursby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn
Subject: Re: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also
had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles
one occasionally.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
> on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed
> it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers
> (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out
> Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
> I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than
> I have. Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Michael
I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather. I
don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd
delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully
constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been
great..
Tom A078
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Fred,
I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive
blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could
feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing
something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a
Airmaster.
Base hub with blades = $5200
+ Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150
+ Automatic Controller =$ 900
+ Spinner += $ ???
Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
Way to cold to built in Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/
>
> It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just
> fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop
> flanges.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
> on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
> wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> Who? What? Which?
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi"
>>> --> <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>>>
>>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or
>>> is considering the Quinti Prop?
>>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Paul,
I had 1.5 hours dual before landing one by myself. I had to have 5 hours on
the aircraft for insurance purposes before flight testing my own.
I would definitely get checked out for landings with an instructor beside
you.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
> on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed
> it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers
> (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out
> Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
> I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
> I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than
> I have. Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
>
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Subject: | test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Hi all, yes I am still here (lurking)
Yes I test flew my Europa Monowheel (and Cliff's). I did however have about
800hrs in taildraggers and did get an hour in a factory Europa before doing
so. Also my tailwheel time was mostly in high performance stuff (a 210hp
Swift).
I would always highly reccomend a few hours of dual if you can get it. Even
following through while someone else flys helps.
When I sold my plane to the new owner, I did a few landings with him and he
had about 700hrs of tailwheel time. On the way home he managed to get it
around on the runway once (did't hurt anything). He was an excellent pilot
with lots of tailwheel time - the Europa is just "different". He got bit on
the roll-out (not the landing) when he let his attention wander just for a
second. So remember pay attention every second the engine is turning.
Later!
Bob Jacobsen
>From: <beecho@beecho.org>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:53:39 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
>Paul
>
>I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience
>in monowheels.
>
>Tom@whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Hi All;
>
>I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion
>on
>(be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it-
>my
>check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500
>hours
>total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to
>accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself.
>
>I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was.
>I'd
>like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I
>have. Thanks
>
>Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flight Sin 2004 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an
Europa.
>
> Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I
downloaded
> from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004.
>
> There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what
half of
> the boxes should have in them. HELP !!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may
want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities.
http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Paul,
I did 10 ~ 15 landings with Andy and then spent 10 hours getting a tail
wheel rating before I flew mine. I get on fine with it but I still treat it
cautiously, its not finished flying until its parked in the hanger.
Pick days where the wind favors you and if you can, start off landing on
grass strips and work up from there.
Paul
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Subject: | Re: C/S propellers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Tom,
that is exactly my point unless I am missing something here. At current an
Airmaster goes for around $5500 US. Fred and Curtis are bringing a "Quinti
for less? With the Kremen Prop you save at least a good portion of money and
there are already some Europa installations flying.
Michael Grass A266
----- Original Message -----
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Michael
>
> I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather.
> I
> don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd
> delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully
> constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been
> great..
>
> Tom A078
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Fred,
>
> I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive
> blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it
> could
> feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing
> something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a
> Airmaster.
>
> Base hub with blades = $5200
> + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150
> + Automatic Controller =$ 900
> + Spinner += $ ???
>
> Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear
> Way to cold to built in Detroit
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>
>> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/
>>
>> It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just
>> fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop
>> flanges.
>>
>> Fred
>> A194
>>
>> on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Who? What? Which?
>>>
>>> Duncan McF.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi"
>>>> --> <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
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>>>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or
>>>> is considering the Quinti Prop?
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Subject: | Aileron push tube travel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
I just finished assembling the aileron push tubes. It seems no matter
how much I expand the rib holes, the tube always contacts the ribs when
it reaches its travel limit. This limits the max travel of the push
tube. I can expand the rib holes even further, but I was wondering what
the normal travel is for these push tubes. How many cm would you say
the tube goes left/right? I don't want to expand the holes any more
than really necessary. Thanks!
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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Subject: | Re: C/S propellers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Michael,
I don't think you're missing anything...I'm not advocating it...I was just
trying to provide a ref. so Duncan could answer his questions. The only
significant aspect of it to me was its availability to mate w/ an SAE ! prop
flange, something the Airmaster does only w/ custom machining.
Fred
DO NOT ARCHIVE
on 2/9/05 6:02 PM, Michael Grass at M.Grass@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Fred,
>
> I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive
> blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could
> feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing
> something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a
> Airmaster.
>
> Base hub with blades = $5200
> + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150
> + Automatic Controller =$ 900
> + Spinner += $ ???
>
> Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts
>
> Michael Grass
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Subject: | Re: test flying my own creation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all that replied...got some great advice.
Paul Boulet
N914PB, Malibu, CA
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Subject: | Re: Flight Sin 2004 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Fred
Thanks again. This simulator flies very much like the way my Europa flies.
(only slower ) :) Now I can get some flying done even when it is bad
weather.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flight Sin 2004
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
>> I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an
> Europa.
>>
>> Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I
> downloaded
>> from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004.
>>
>> There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what
> half of
>> the boxes should have in them. HELP !!!
>>
>> Cliff Shaw
>
> The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may
> want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities.
>
> http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
>
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