Europa-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/09/05


Total Messages Posted: 45



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     1. 01:34 AM - Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
     2. 02:00 AM - Re: high compression (nigel charles)
     3. 04:55 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Weert)
     4. 05:38 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Richard Holder)
     5. 06:58 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (G-IANI)
     6. 08:15 AM - Re: high compression (Fred Fillinger)
     7. 09:17 AM - Re: C/S propellers (Curtis Jaussi)
     8. 09:47 AM - Re: Propeller Diameter (David Joyce)
     9. 09:47 AM - Re: Propeller Diameter (David Joyce)
    10. 09:47 AM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (David Joyce)
    11. 10:18 AM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Alan Burrows)
    12. 10:54 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Weert)
    13. 11:28 AM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Tim Ward)
    14. 12:22 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Duncan McFadyean)
    15. 12:22 PM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Duncan McFadyean)
    16. 12:29 PM - test flying my own creation (Paul Boulet)
    17. 12:32 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Duncan McFadyean)
    18. 12:54 PM - Re: test flying my own creation ()
    19. 01:07 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Dari Sagar)
    20. 01:19 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Duncan McFadyean)
    21. 01:29 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
    22. 01:29 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (Bryan Allsop)
    23. 02:03 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Fred R. Klein)
    24. 02:22 PM - Re: John Miller (Rowland Carson)
    25. 02:45 PM - Re: John Miller (Richard Holder)
    26. 02:59 PM - WAS Gascolator access hatch....NOW Rear Panel Access Through Fire Wall. (R.C.Harrison)
    27. 03:17 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Jerry Rehn)
    28. 03:24 PM - Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June (R.C.Harrison)
    29. 03:26 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Terry Seaver)
    30. 04:18 PM - Re: John Miller (Cliff Shaw)
    31. 04:46 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (MICHAEL PARKIN)
    32. 04:57 PM - Re: Gascolator access hatch (Cliff Shaw)
    33. 05:43 PM - Re: test flying my own creation ()
    34. 06:02 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Michael Grass)
    35. 06:15 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Jim Thursby)
    36. 07:09 PM - Re: C/S propellers ()
    37. 07:20 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Tim Ward)
    38. 07:27 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Bob Jacobsen)
    39. 08:04 PM - Re: Flight Sin 2004 (Fred Fillinger)
    40. 08:16 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Paul McAllister)
    41. 08:16 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Michael Grass)
    42. 08:25 PM - Aileron push tube travel (Andrew Sarangan)
    43. 08:38 PM - Re: C/S propellers (Fred R. Klein)
    44. 09:29 PM - Re: test flying my own creation (Paul Boulet)
    45. 09:35 PM - Re: Flight Sin 2004 (Cliff Shaw)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:34:18 AM PST US
    From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
    Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips?


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    Time: 02:00:50 AM PST US
    From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: high compression
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> >Has anyone seen their Rotax compression go up? If so, did it start harder, and what did you do to fix it?< I have not checked them. However there are many of us finding that the starting problem is due to the starter motor not being powerful enough. Those who have upgraded the starter seem to have solved the problem. Nigel Charles


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    Time: 04:55:08 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Hi Brian, I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped with a gascolator. The plane has a quick access door below the gascolator fitted under the port hatch. It's easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below the port flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor, fitted in the bottom of the fuselage a 1,5 cm high strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the fuselage after draining. This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation. I am sure Europa 2004 will be able to give you the data you need because Andy flew her many hours. Regards, Tim. Heerhugowaard, PH-JAI 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Hutchinson" > <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk> > > Hi all, > I plan to install an Andair gascolator somewhere under the rear baggage > bay. I don't fancy the conventional Europa type access hatch with 4 screws > to undo every time I need to check the filter bowl. It appears to me that > any hatch would need to be a fair size, big enough to comfortably get your > fingers in to release the safety clip and locking pin. > Does anyone know if the PFA would accept a 'quick release' hinged panel in > this area of the structure, something similar (but bigger) to the dipstick > access hatch on the cowling? Has anyone already got an approved Mod they > would be prepared to share? > > Brian Hutchinson > Lincolnshire > 357 mono 912s Airmaster > No forecast finish date yet, but I think I'm now in the last 5 years! > > >


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    Time: 05:38:50 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> > I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped > with a gascolator. The plane has a quick access door > below the gascolator fitted under the port hatch. It's > easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below > the port flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor, > fitted in the bottom of the fuselage a 1,5 cm high > strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window > to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the > fuselage after draining. > This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation. > I am sure Europa 2004 will be able to give you the data > you need because Andy flew her many hours. I suspect that no non-Europa PFA person saw it at all and that all the mods on it are factory experiments, "tests of future factory mods" under some type of "factory exemption". G-KITZ flew from day 1 with the dual brake master cylinder for finger brakes and the Mod (65 ?) only came out 2 (?) years later. So - yes the mods were signed off by a PFA inspector (Andy or Neville) but I am sure there is no PFA documentation associated with any of them. As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-) Richard +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ G-OWWW Europa Tri-Gear, High Cross +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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    Time: 06:58:04 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> "As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-)" Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through the fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and safer ways of access to the panel. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 08:15:38 AM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: high compression
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com> > > ...During our annual inspections we have been > taking the cylinder compressions using an automotive > compression tester. The first two inpections found the > compression to be about 180 psi per cylinder. during the > last inspection (about 10 months ago) the compression > readings went up about 15-20 psi. There's many variables in that test, but not in the differential compression test which is universal in the airplane service biz. That test gives you something to track trends, and even spot potential problems coming. Well mostly, but what comes out of an automotive style test can be more meaningless, more often. The spark-plug hole fitting can be fabricated from an old spark plug and air-hose male coupler, but think I saw a Rotax version in some catalogue. Reg, Fred F.


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    Time: 09:17:07 AM PST US
    From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com>
    Subject: C/S propellers
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is considering the Quinti Prop? -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Hi All, Is there anyone out there who either: - is flying with an IVOPROP? - has purchased one? or - has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?.. and would be willing to share their thoughts? Fred A194


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    Time: 09:47:10 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 09:47:10 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 09:47:10 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost certainly someone better qualified to do it. I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed for stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is there a sensible slot in the summer's program? Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > Don't all rush at once! > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 10:18:25 AM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Brian I would be interested in coming on this trip, but would not be able to help organise it due to my work commitments. However at the risk of being thrown out of the Europa fraternity I have to confess to having just purchased a Rockwell 112TC. For winter IFR flight only of course. It also means that Kate wont keep "nicking" the aircraft and leaving me the car..! The point of this story is that if others were prepared to fly in a "none Europa" then I would be happy to bring that one along as well, giving us three empty seats. Let me know if its of use. Alan Ps The downside is they would have to fly with a "female" commercial pilot (who should be in the **** kitchen..!) PPS Contact me off list about the M.P.G. as I have it here for you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" --> <bryan@blackballclub.com> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips?


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    Time: 10:54:29 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> > As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the > firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what > are its construction details and size ? The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module close to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I can sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ). It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is. The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to check engine oil and coolant. Regards, Tim. Heerhugowaard, PH-JAI 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster


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    Time: 11:28:51 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Hi, I fitted my gascolator on the inspection panel itself with the drain coming through it. Fitted behind the fuel pump and cockpit module. To inspect it, simply unscrew the panel and allow it to drop down and then you have access to the mounting bracket it is connected to on the panel. Unscrew it from the mounting bracket and take the panel away to gain access to the bowl. That way it is easy as you do not have to unscew the back baggage bulkhead to get at it and also, more importantly, it is outside to inspect so no fuel gets into the aircraft. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> > >> As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the >> firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what >> are its construction details and size ? > > The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module > close > to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other > side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I > can > sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ). > It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the > firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to > fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is. > > The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to > check > engine oil and coolant. > > Regards, Tim. > Heerhugowaard, > PH-JAI > 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster > > >


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    Time: 12:22:39 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: C/S propellers
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Who? What? Which? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> > > Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is > considering the Quinti Prop? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. > Klein > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Hi All, > > Is there anyone out there who either: > > - is flying with an IVOPROP? > > - has purchased one? or > > - has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?.. > > and would be willing to share their thoughts? > > Fred > A194 > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:22:39 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> <<Why don't you fly up to Roche one of thes > days?>> Has Roche been extended yet? A Europa would be able to fly in, but not out (?) Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> > > Cliff, you are probably right, however most (general aviation) that land > gear up discover the gear is up when their prop hits the ground! I mounted > my gascolator 4 inches above the bottom of fuse. with an access door just > below. One needs to lay under the plane to check it but I believe you do > when the drains are below anyway. Not a big deal. BTW I have never found > water in my gascolator . Have you? Why don't you fly up to Roche one of thes > days? > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> > > > > > > You will have a lot of aluminum and rubber to ware away before the water > > drains start dragging the runway. If an planed gear up is made the fuel > > shut-off should have been turned off. Just my thoughts. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > > Do not archive > > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > >> <fklein@orcasonline.com> > >> > >> Kevin, > >> > >> Excellent point!..and admirable forethought!..recessing it might just be > >> worth the trouble! > >> > >> Fred > >> A194 > >> > >> DO NOT ARCHIVE > >> > >> on 2/9/05 12:58 PM, Kevin And Ann Klinefelter at kevann@verizon.net > >> wrote: > >> > >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter > >>> <kevann@verizon.net> > >>> > >>> Yes, but then if you belly in you may break the valve off and spark a > >>> fire. > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> A211 > >>> > >>> > >>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > >>>> <fklein@orcasonline.com> > >>>> > >>>> Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve simply > >>>> extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible split > >>>> fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic > >>>> drag? > >>>> > >>>> Fred > >>>> A194 > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:29:49 PM PST US
    From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> Hi All; I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona)


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    Time: 12:32:19 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> David, <> I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest Europa Flyer). I didn't escape either. <<as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up > with oil and water>> A bit below the belt that! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being > involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and > not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost > certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed for > stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up > with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is > there a sensible slot in the summer's program? > Regards, David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > <bryan@blackballclub.com> > > > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week > in June starting the 18th / 19th. > > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and > would allow a full day at Colditz. > > > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits > of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both > Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be > grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > > > Don't all rush at once! > > > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > being made for Europa club trips? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:54:10 PM PST US
    From: <beecho@beecho.org>
    Subject: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> Paul I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience in monowheels. Tom@whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> Hi All; I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 01:07:45 PM PST US
    From: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com> David, Tut-tut..Some people just don't look after their engines....!!!! We (Gail and I) would definately be interested in your tour de France (if you will risk our company again). Will keep a look-out for your announcement. Hope all is well with you. Regards from G and me. Dari >From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:39:19 -0000 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" ><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > >Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being >involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and >not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost >certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed >for >stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped >up >with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is >there a sensible slot in the summer's program? >Regards, David >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" ><bryan@blackballclub.com> > > > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last >week >in June starting the 18th / 19th. > > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., >and >would allow a full day at Colditz. > > > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to >bits >of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both >Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be >grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > > > Don't all rush at once! > > > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans >being made for Europa club trips? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:19:58 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> <> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips?>> The better of the Devon Strut fly-ins http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/events.htm are Bolt Head 5 June, Branscombe 28 June and Roserrow 28 August. All can be combined with camping or hotel accommodation, cliff-top walks, etc. Bolt Head affords a walk (or bus) in to Salcombe, water taxi to White Sands and walk (through Nat Trust tropical gardens back to the airfield. Also has one of hte best youth hostels in the UK. Branscombe has an airshow, cream teas and much more if a bus is taken to one of the local villages (but no buses on Sunday). The Halwell event puts Dartmouth within striking distance (buses on Sunday too). Or you can stand around on the airfield and talk 'shop'. The events are only marred by the absence of Europas; such a waste! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > Don't all rush at once! > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? > >


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    Time: 01:29:31 PM PST US
    From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> Duncan. I take no volunteers. Just prisoners - to Colditz! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > David, > <> > I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest > Europa > Flyer). I didn't escape either. > > <<as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up >> with oil and water>> > A bit below the belt that! > > Duncan McF. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> >> >> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind > being >> involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian >> and >> not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost >> certainly someone better qualified to do it. >> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed > for >> stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped > up >> with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is >> there a sensible slot in the summer's program? >> Regards, David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June >> >> >> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" >> <bryan@blackballclub.com> >> > >> > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last > week >> in June starting the 18th / 19th. >> > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., > and >> would allow a full day at Colditz. >> > >> > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to > bits >> of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. >> Both >> Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. >> > >> > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be >> grateful if some one else could this trip together. >> > >> > Don't all rush at once! >> > >> > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator >> > >> > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans >> being made for Europa club trips? >> > >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited >> > messages >> > _______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> >> > > >


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    Time: 01:29:31 PM PST US
    From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
    Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> Hi David, I think you have already volunteered for the stress free Tour de France. Your command of the French language qualifies you for that one without challange. Though is nice of you to offer for the Colditz one, it would be only fair if someone else had a bash. I cant see that a mastery of any of the language is relevant in this case. After all, it is only the French that are reluctant to speak English. My experience in the Baltics is that they are all taught to speak English as a second language. We just need some one to sort out some destinations with appropriately cheap airfields, and to suggest a framework for the trip. Just think of all that untapped souce of talent out there. I would suggest someone like Bob, if he was not likely to want to go twice as far and ast as every one else. Cheers! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind > being > involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and > not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost > certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed > for > stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped > up > with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is > there a sensible slot in the summer's program? > Regards, David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > <bryan@blackballclub.com> >> >> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last >> week > in June starting the 18th / 19th. >> This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and > would allow a full day at Colditz. >> >> Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits > of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both > Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. >> >> I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be > grateful if some one else could this trip together. >> >> Don't all rush at once! >> >> Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator >> >> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > being made for Europa club trips? >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > >


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    Time: 02:03:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: C/S propellers
    From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges. Fred A194 on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > Who? What? Which? > > Duncan McF. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >> >> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is >> considering the Quinti Prop? >>


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    Time: 02:22:01 PM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: Re: John Miller
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> At 2005-02-07 19:31 -0800 Cliff Shaw wrote: >Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark, >DE Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave nothing more than USA as his address. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>


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    Time: 02:45:10 PM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: John Miller
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> >>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark, >>DE > > > Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He > was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave > nothing more than USA as his address. I looked at www.att.com and went for directory assistance, put in Miller John Newark DE and it came up with 6 hits. So that is the way to go. I have only picked this up out of interest as Newark DE is where I stay when I go to fly in the USA ! HTH Richard


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    Time: 02:59:55 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Gascolator access hatch....NOW Rear Panel Access Through
    Fire Wall. --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! All. I missed the question which must recently have been posed about "access to rear of panel through Fire Wall" At least one of the Europa demonstrators had such facilities .....probably G-KITS. I have a PFA approved mod. and have embodied the facilities in G-PTAG in two areas. a) above the P1 footwell to the rear of the instrument area. b) and also an additional one behind the early Jabiru air cooler providing access to the rear of the radio stack. I would have to think very hard about doing a repeat since the panel is very cluttered in there especially with many vacuum pipes to get past to the electrical wiring. (Which being a wiring novice is like a rats nest !) However the main reason for my decision to make the panel a permanent fixture was wanting to retain continuity of engine monitoring wires without using connector blocks. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa KIT337 MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> "As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-)" Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through the fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and safer ways of access to the panel. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 03:17:57 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles one occasionally. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >


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    Time: 03:24:04 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Bryan. As you know I was planning my own trip to incorporate Latvia Estonia and possibly Poland between the Barkaby (Stockholm) and Stauning (Denmark) rallies which are on consecutive weekends commencing Friday 3rd June. I'm a little bemused you have moved your suggestion back to late June?(other than you have a hidden message for me! When You last communicated with me from somewhere overseas you said you would be in touch ?)Otherwise I am interested in the Colditz thing? But I have charity event commitments for the first two weekends in July which I don't want to squeeze with a trip late June. The purpose of my approach was to maximise the content of the distance involved to attend both the Scandinavian rallies. Poland and/or Romania may be in the frame with the Swiss Rally 19th August. I then only have Romania, Portugal, Hungary and Greece left on my list for G-PTAG to visit in Europe (I will be "passing" on Greece anyway since the likelihood of them clapping me in jail ain't worth the risk!) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips?


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    Time: 03:26:18 PM PST US
    From: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com> Hi Paul, I flew our Europa XS (mono wheel) for its first flight and subsequent 40 hour fly off. I had no Europa time but did have about 300 hours of tail wheel time, mostly in a Great Lakes biplane. I found the mono wheel Europa to be quite challenging, in its own way. Before my first flight I asked a similar question as yours, with a number of useful responses. I then flew a variety of airplanes, tail wheel and tri gear, low wing and high, just to get used to flying different things (I had flown the Great Lakes almost exclusively for the previous couple of years, which led to some strong habits that needed to be broke). The following are a list of suggestions and comments that I would give to anyone transitioning to the monowheel. 1) Keep it off the monowheel alone, it is VERY tricky as a unicycle. Don't get the tail up on take off like you would most other tail wheel planes. For the Europa, keep the stick back until it is nearly ready to fly, then relax the back pressure on the stick, letting it go to neutral, the plane will almost immediately 'levitate' off the runway. I 'relax' back pressure at about 35 knots solo and about 40 knots dual. Of course, on landings, try to get the tailwheel down before the main wheel, or a the least, at the same time. No wheel landings and no high speed taxing! 2) It is more tail heavy than most (relative to its weight). Once it starts to move to either side, you have to aggressively correct, with a 'kick' (I have heard others use the term 'bootfull of rudder'), then get off. I had trouble trying to finesse the rudder on the ground, once it gets very far to the side, it doesn't want to stop. 3) If using the Graham Singleton tail wheel mod, I would strongly suggest reducing the tailwheel throw if you operate off of a surfaced runway. Ours was initially nearly 90 deg travel each way, which make the plane very sensitive on the ground. We backed it off to +- 45 degrees of tail wheel travel, which helped. 4) You lose almost all tail wheel authority when braking, so let go of the brake if you need to correct with rudder, then reapply the brake once you are straight again. regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD Paul Boulet wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > >


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    Time: 04:18:18 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: John Miller
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Interesting coincidence ! I will look them up at ATT Thanks Do not Archive Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Miller > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> > >>>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in >>>Newark, >>>DE >> >> >> Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He >> was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave >> nothing more than USA as his address. > > > I looked at www.att.com and went for directory assistance, > put in Miller John Newark DE and it came up with 6 hits. > So that is the way to go. > > I have only picked this up out of interest as Newark DE is > where I stay when I go to fly in the USA ! > > HTH > > Richard > > >


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    Time: 04:46:27 PM PST US
    From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com> Paul, If you don't have a choice then I wish you all the best. HOWEVER, if there is any way you can get someone to teach you take-offs and landings in your Europa Monowheel I strongly recommend it. Our little aircraft has some interesting little habits. I have a fair amount of flying time, but I am very pleased that I received a check out from Andy Draper before I set off solo. As some brave people have shown, it is quite possible to do what you suggest, but I do think it is a little risky. There are quite a few Europa drivers out there that were used to the aircraft, and still managed to ground loop it - (sadly, me included). regards, MP (G-JULZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >


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    Time: 04:57:12 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Duncan and Jerry Jerry, Betty and I had a wonderful time with you today. Thanks. The tour of your garage construction project was inspiring. You must get it finished so you can fly your Europa more often. FYI Roche Harbor (WA09) is a paved, private strip. It is 4300 long and sloped down hill to the west and the harbor. Trees (tall) at either end and narrow (30) make for good practice for "rookie" pilots like me. But Betty told me after we landed the it was "good" , so I am happy with my flying and landings. The weather was just perfect today in the "Great Northwest". Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE flew for 1.4HOB , 3000' ,143+ MPH , 5.8 Gal.(us) (I love my Europa) > > <<Why don't you fly up to Roche one of thes >> days?>> > > Has Roche been extended yet? > A Europa would be able to fly in, but not out (?) > > Duncan McF. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> >> >> Cliff, you are probably right, however most (general aviation) that land >> gear up discover the gear is up when their prop hits the ground! I >> mounted >> my gascolator 4 inches above the bottom of fuse. with an access door just >> below. One needs to lay under the plane to check it but I believe you do >> when the drains are below anyway. Not a big deal. BTW I have never found >> water in my gascolator . Have you? Why don't you fly up to Roche one of > thes >> days? >> Jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch >> >> >> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> >> > >> > >> > You will have a lot of aluminum and rubber to ware away before the >> > water >> > drains start dragging the runway. If an planed gear up is made the fuel >> > shut-off should have been turned off. Just my thoughts. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> >> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch >> > Do not archive >> > >> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" >> >> <fklein@orcasonline.com> >> >> >> >> Kevin, >> >> >> >> Excellent point!..and admirable forethought!..recessing it might just > be >> >> worth the trouble! >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> A194 >> >> >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> on 2/9/05 12:58 PM, Kevin And Ann Klinefelter at kevann@verizon.net >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter >> >>> <kevann@verizon.net> >> >>> >> >>> Yes, but then if you belly in you may break the valve off and spark a >> >>> fire. >> >>> >> >>> Kevin >> >>> A211 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" >> >>>> <fklein@orcasonline.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve > simply >> >>>> extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible > split >> >>>> fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic >> >>>> drag? >> >>>> >> >>>> Fred >> >>>> A194 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >


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    Time: 05:43:51 PM PST US
    From: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net> It helps if you are operating off grass. It helps if there is no cross wind the first few flights. Watch the nose direction and not the wings being level. Like most taildraggers, land at the stall speed with a little power and keep the stick all the way back when you tough down. Come to Knoxville and I will give you a ride and a feel for it. Ken Carpenter N 9XS 914 Mono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >


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    Time: 06:02:55 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: C/S propellers
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Fred, I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a Airmaster. Base hub with blades = $5200 + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 + Automatic Controller =$ 900 + Spinner += $ ??? Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts Michael Grass A266 Trigear Way to cold to built in Detroit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ > > It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine; > note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges. > > Fred > A194 > > on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" >> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> >> >> Who? What? Which? >> >> Duncan McF. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >>> >>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is >>> considering the Quinti Prop? >>> > > >


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    Time: 06:15:39 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com> Hi Paul, I checked Bob out in the factory plane in July of 2000 and as he had a lot of swift time he took to it very easily. I think we shot eight or so landings, did some rolls and he was very comfortable with it. You need to shoot some landings with somebody and be comfortable with it. As Jerry said the mono-wheel can humble you. JimThursby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Subject: Re: Europa-List: test flying my own creation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles one occasionally. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > >


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    Time: 07:09:32 PM PST US
    From: <beecho@beecho.org>
    Subject: C/S propellers
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> Michael I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather. I don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been great.. Tom A078 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Fred, I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a Airmaster. Base hub with blades = $5200 + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 + Automatic Controller =$ 900 + Spinner += $ ??? Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts Michael Grass A266 Trigear Way to cold to built in Detroit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ > > It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just > fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop > flanges. > > Fred > A194 > > on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" >> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> >> >> Who? What? Which? >> >> Duncan McF. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" >>> --> <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >>> >>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or >>> is considering the Quinti Prop? >>> > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 07:20:05 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Paul, I had 1.5 hours dual before landing one by myself. I had to have 5 hours on the aircraft for insurance purposes before flight testing my own. I would definitely get checked out for landings with an instructor beside you. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@yahoo.com> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >


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    Time: 07:27:31 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
    Subject: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com> Hi all, yes I am still here (lurking) Yes I test flew my Europa Monowheel (and Cliff's). I did however have about 800hrs in taildraggers and did get an hour in a factory Europa before doing so. Also my tailwheel time was mostly in high performance stuff (a 210hp Swift). I would always highly reccomend a few hours of dual if you can get it. Even following through while someone else flys helps. When I sold my plane to the new owner, I did a few landings with him and he had about 700hrs of tailwheel time. On the way home he managed to get it around on the runway once (did't hurt anything). He was an excellent pilot with lots of tailwheel time - the Europa is just "different". He got bit on the roll-out (not the landing) when he let his attention wander just for a second. So remember pay attention every second the engine is turning. Later! Bob Jacobsen >From: <beecho@beecho.org> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Europa-List: test flying my own creation >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:53:39 -0800 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> > >Paul > >I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience >in monowheels. > >Tom@whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > >Hi All; > >I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion >on >(be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- >my >check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 >hours >total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to >accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > >I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. >I'd >like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I >have. Thanks > >Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >


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    Time: 08:04:54 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Flight Sin 2004
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> > I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an Europa. > > Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I downloaded > from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004. > > There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what half of > the boxes should have in them. HELP !!! > > Cliff Shaw The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities. http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm Reg, Fred F.


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    Time: 08:16:51 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Paul, I did 10 ~ 15 landings with Andy and then spent 10 hours getting a tail wheel rating before I flew mine. I get on fine with it but I still treat it cautiously, its not finished flying until its parked in the hanger. Pick days where the wind favors you and if you can, start off landing on grass strips and work up from there. Paul


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    Time: 08:16:51 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: C/S propellers
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> Tom, that is exactly my point unless I am missing something here. At current an Airmaster goes for around $5500 US. Fred and Curtis are bringing a "Quinti for less? With the Kremen Prop you save at least a good portion of money and there are already some Europa installations flying. Michael Grass A266 ----- Original Message ----- From: <beecho@beecho.org> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> > > Michael > > I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather. > I > don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd > delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully > constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been > great.. > > Tom A078 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> > > Fred, > > I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive > blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it > could > feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing > something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a > Airmaster. > > Base hub with blades = $5200 > + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 > + Automatic Controller =$ 900 > + Spinner += $ ??? > > Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear > Way to cold to built in Detroit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" >> <fklein@orcasonline.com> >> >> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ >> >> It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just >> fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop >> flanges. >> >> Fred >> A194 >> >> on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk >> wrote: >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" >>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> >>> >>> Who? What? Which? >>> >>> Duncan McF. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >>> >>> >>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" >>>> --> <jaussi@ubtanet.com> >>>> >>>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or >>>> is considering the Quinti Prop? >>>> >> >> >> > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >


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    Time: 08:25:19 PM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: Aileron push tube travel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com> I just finished assembling the aileron push tubes. It seems no matter how much I expand the rib holes, the tube always contacts the ribs when it reaches its travel limit. This limits the max travel of the push tube. I can expand the rib holes even further, but I was wondering what the normal travel is for these push tubes. How many cm would you say the tube goes left/right? I don't want to expand the holes any more than really necessary. Thanks! ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan


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    Time: 08:38:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: C/S propellers
    From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Michael, I don't think you're missing anything...I'm not advocating it...I was just trying to provide a ref. so Duncan could answer his questions. The only significant aspect of it to me was its availability to mate w/ an SAE ! prop flange, something the Airmaster does only w/ custom machining. Fred DO NOT ARCHIVE on 2/9/05 6:02 PM, Michael Grass at M.Grass@comcast.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net> > > Fred, > > I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive > blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could > feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing > something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a > Airmaster. > > Base hub with blades = $5200 > + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 > + Automatic Controller =$ 900 > + Spinner += $ ??? > > Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts > > Michael Grass


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    Time: 09:29:17 PM PST US
    From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> Thanks to all that replied...got some great advice. Paul Boulet N914PB, Malibu, CA do not archive


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    Time: 09:35:18 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Flight Sin 2004
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Fred Thanks again. This simulator flies very much like the way my Europa flies. (only slower ) :) Now I can get some flying done even when it is bad weather. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flight Sin 2004 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> > >> I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an > Europa. >> >> Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I > downloaded >> from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004. >> >> There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what > half of >> the boxes should have in them. HELP !!! >> >> Cliff Shaw > > The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may > want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities. > > http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm > > Reg, > Fred F. > > >




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