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1. 12:03 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Bob Fairall)
2. 01:15 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Nigel Graham)
3. 01:40 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Gerry Holland)
4. 01:54 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Jeremy Davey)
5. 02:29 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Gerry Holland)
6. 02:41 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Alan Burrows)
7. 03:24 AM - Re: Expanding Foam (Jeremy Davey)
8. 03:49 AM - Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics (R.C.Harrison)
9. 04:17 AM - Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics (Alan Burrows)
10. 05:05 AM - Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics (Jim Thursby)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: Expanding Foam (Duncan McFadyean)
12. 03:14 PM - Re: Baltics and Colditz Tour (R.C.Harrison)
13. 03:28 PM - Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics (N55XS)
14. 04:58 PM - Jim Thusby contact info (Paul Boulet)
15. 05:21 PM - Re: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa (Don Heath)
16. 05:34 PM - Re: Jim Thusby contact info (Jim Thursby)
17. 05:41 PM - Re: Jim Thusby contact info (Paul Boulet)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall" <b_fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
I also found that over a period of time it shrinks a little.
Bob Fairall
71 built and flying since 1998, 494 under construction.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
Sounds like a good idea BUT ! I think you will find that the expanding type
foam is not very strong (could not sit on it without it squishing down) and
the bubbles where it is cut will be too porous to lay glass over without a
lot of filler. Sorry !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> Flight,
>
> Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue
> foam
> for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom
> floor
> area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of
> rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not
> directly
> on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses
> and
> filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit.
>
> Steve
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Expanding Foam |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Steve,
Contrary to all the other posts on this matter, I have achieved really good
results with urethane foam and have used this a lot to join blue-foam blocks
when creating plugs.
It cuts and sands like blue foam and you can laminate epoxy on to it in the
usual way.
Rather than two-part I would recommend the cans of urethane foam supplied by
builders merchants for gap filling - a far more practical and economical
solution. (I have tried both)
For your seat base, the trick is to attach the ply base first, then fill the
cavity underneath with the foam. The base needs two small holes, one to
accept the applicator nozzle and the other to allow excess foam and air to
escape. Resist the temptation to clean up any overspill. Once cured, all the
mess can be removed neatly and cleanly and easily with a hacksaw blade,
knife or abrasive paper.
One last tip. Urethane is initiated by water so use something like a
plastice bottle with trigger squirter (glass cleaner comes in these) to
spray a light mist of water onto all the bond surfaces. The resulting foam
will have a far finer cell structure. Without water, the foam may not cure
completely and you may end up with a coarse uneven cell structure or worse,
a semi-cured brown treacle like gunge.
When exposed to light, urethane will degrade in UV but your seat application
should be fine.
Hope this is of interest.
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Flight,
Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam
for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor
area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of
rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly
on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses and
filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit.
Steve
A058
N15JN
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Nigel
Many Thanks for that detailed explanation.
Regards
Gerry
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom,
very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars?
When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology. The
'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat there
with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that fitted
both him and its shell like a glove.
I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid the
Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my head on the
window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This would enable me
to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1280 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Glauser
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: David Glauser <dglauser@gmail.com>
I tried it in exactly that location.
Don't. Do. It.
Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did
the job over with proper blue foam.
dg
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:02 -0500, Steve Crimm
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> Flight,
>
> Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue
foam
> for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom
floor
> area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of
> rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not
directly
> on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses
and
> filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit.
>
> Steve
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Expanding Foam |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Dear Jeremy
> I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid the
> Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my head on the
> window above.
Firstly. It's 6 Foot in high heels.... Come clean man!
As for banging your head.... You do that every day at Microsoft!!!
> I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This would enable me
> to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat.
You'll find as you get older a shallow seat will be something from the past!
I'd allow for slippage......
Mockingly Yours
Bewildered of Bath
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
I used exactly the same two part foam throughout my motor racing career
and always had a perfect fitting seat. The trick is to seal the foam in
a plastic bag, I used a dustbin (trash) bag. Make the seat first then do
the back rest i.e. make them separately, the quantities are more
controllable that way. You can trim and join them together with tape
before covering. The only thing to be aware of is that the sacks MUST be
well sealed initially as the foam really does expand and WILL leak out
if you haven't sealed the sack properly. Also make sure you use VERY
LITTLE foam as it expands at a faster rate than the Chinese population!
Other than that it's a really easy way to make the perfect fitting seat.
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom,
very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars?
When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology.
The 'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat
there with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that
fitted both him and its shell like a glove.
I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid
the Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my
head on the window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This
would enable me to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail
done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with
airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914
turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons,
switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Glauser
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: David Glauser <dglauser@gmail.com>
I tried it in exactly that location.
Don't. Do. It.
Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the
job over with proper blue foam.
dg
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:02 -0500, Steve Crimm
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> Flight,
>
> Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue
foam
> for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom
floor
> area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with
> pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in
> place (not
directly
> on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the
> hoses
and
> filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit.
>
> Steve
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Ahhh, the sweet call of the lesser-spotted Holland Bird! Keep taking the
pills, my friend, keep taking the pills... :-)
Yours,
Stud of Steeple Aston
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1290 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Dear Jeremy
> I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid the
> Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my head on
the
> window above.
Firstly. It's 6 Foot in high heels.... Come clean man!
As for banging your head.... You do that every day at Microsoft!!!
> I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This would enable me
> to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat.
You'll find as you get older a shallow seat will be something from the past!
I'd allow for slippage......
Mockingly Yours
Bewildered of Bath
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| Subject: | While on the subject of Europa characteristics |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jeff.
6 years is a taxing period for I am Senior !!!! I can't really remember
since my PPL was taken in Ormond Beach Florida over 21 days (45 hours
total) when the Europa was 3/4 complete after which I tried to get
Cessna out of my head !(except it's like riding a bike you never
forget!)
For what I remember I don't ever recall "flying the 150 into the ground"
which I repeatedly did with the Europa . On conversion after about 18
months and no solo flying after the 150 but about 25 hours in the P2
seat I bought a PFA conversion 2 day course by an authorised PFA trainer
(the chap is now one of the long haul test pilots for the Airbus 380...
great guy)OVER THE TWO DAYS OF GENERALLY CRAP WEATHER DURING WHICH WE
SHOULD HAVE ABORTED THE EVENT I DID 52 TOTALLY CRAP LANDINGS AND EACH
AND EVERY ONE WAS JUDGED TO HAVE FLOWN INTO THE RUNWAY NOT ALONG IT!
We unhesitatingly agreed that I needed more time but at least that two
days enabled me to put my previous Mentor into the P2 seat and start
over in the P1 seat.
The Europa is very slippery and the ratchet item I mentioned is most
important but it is such a slight change in rearward stick pressure you
only need to think of it to take effect. The point is that if you only
slightly relax your arm the bloody thing starts flying again which is
where you bounce from, and the pressing of your elbow to the a/c side
helps you recognise the pressure and also serves to stop Pilot Induced
Oscillation !
I only then needed about 4 hours with the Mentor in the P2 seat after
which the Instructor came back and after two landings he was OK about
me.
There's no way as a novice I would have survived without the two guys
helping me and even now after 600 hours I loath dead stick landings ...
much prefer to just give the throttle a blip and let the prop. be the
settling factor, but of course you need to be prepared for the "donkey
stopped" scenario!
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Jeff.
>Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it.
>Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as
>recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE.
>Use the control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the
>control stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to
>fly about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the
>cockpit side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the
>aircraft into your head.
>In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right back.
>In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round off
the
>top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You
>will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !)
>Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with
>coordinated use of engine throttle.
>Regards
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300
>PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how!
>
>
>
Bob,
Thanks for the great information. How would you compare the Europa
landing characteristics to the light Cessnas, like the 152?
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | While on the subject of Europa characteristics |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
YOU LEARNED TO FLY AT ORMOND BEACH..! Well that explains a lot! (so did
I) :-)
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jeff.
6 years is a taxing period for I am Senior !!!! I can't really remember
since my PPL was taken in Ormond Beach Florida over 21 days (45 hours
total) when the Europa was 3/4 complete after which I tried to get
Cessna out of my head !(except it's like riding a bike you never
forget!)
For what I remember I don't ever recall "flying the 150 into the ground"
which I repeatedly did with the Europa . On conversion after about 18
months and no solo flying after the 150 but about 25 hours in the P2
seat I bought a PFA conversion 2 day course by an authorised PFA trainer
(the chap is now one of the long haul test pilots for the Airbus 380...
great guy)OVER THE TWO DAYS OF GENERALLY CRAP WEATHER DURING WHICH WE
SHOULD HAVE ABORTED THE EVENT I DID 52 TOTALLY CRAP LANDINGS AND EACH
AND EVERY ONE WAS JUDGED TO HAVE FLOWN INTO THE RUNWAY NOT ALONG IT! We
unhesitatingly agreed that I needed more time but at least that two days
enabled me to put my previous Mentor into the P2 seat and start over in
the P1 seat. The Europa is very slippery and the ratchet item I
mentioned is most important but it is such a slight change in rearward
stick pressure you only need to think of it to take effect. The point is
that if you only slightly relax your arm the bloody thing starts flying
again which is where you bounce from, and the pressing of your elbow to
the a/c side helps you recognise the pressure and also serves to stop
Pilot Induced Oscillation ! I only then needed about 4 hours with the
Mentor in the P2 seat after which the Instructor came back and after two
landings he was OK about me. There's no way as a novice I would have
survived without the two guys helping me and even now after 600 hours I
loath dead stick landings ... much prefer to just give the throttle a
blip and let the prop. be the settling factor, but of course you need to
be prepared for the "donkey stopped" scenario! Regards Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Jeff.
>Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it.
>Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as
>recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE. Use the
>control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the control
>stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to fly
>about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the cockpit
>side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the aircraft
>into your head. In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right
>back. In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round
>off
the
>top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You
>will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !)
>Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with
>coordinated use of engine throttle. Regards
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300
>PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how!
>
>
>
Bob,
Thanks for the great information. How would you compare the Europa
landing characteristics to the light Cessnas, like the 152?
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | While on the subject of Europa characteristics |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Jeff, The closest plane to land like a tri-gear is a Grumman Tiger. The
two seat Grummans are close but the Tiger is spot on charicteristic wise.
It even free swivels the nose like a Europa trike. In a Europa trike you
can take off with any flap setting but I would takeoff with "down aileron
flaps" meaning, I put the left aileron down and then match its angle with
the flaps. Greatly reduces takeoff run and doesn't require straining to see
some hash marks on the wing. Cliff Shaw is on about landings except if you
want to land short, and I mean shorter than a mono can, once its about to
quit flying and close to the stall get the tail REAL low and hold the nose
high, dump the flaps and it will "drop and stop".
Jim Thursby
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N55XS
Subject: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
I wonder if any of you Tri-gear flyers would be so kind as to comment on
any "characteristics" you've noticed on the takeoff/landing of your
aircraft. Anything in particular one should be on the lookout for?.
Details, please. Thanks in advance...
--
Jeff - A055
Getting close to FWF time...
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| Subject: | Re: Expanding Foam |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Better suited to racing cars, as you suggest, as a close fitting seat is not
a benefit in a touring aircraft where the ability to squirm occasionally
provides much relief.
If I had it to do again I would use 2-part foam in the seat base, sculpt it
back to a broad shallow dish across the full width of the seat pan (with
the aileron torque tube just exposed at the lowest point, depending on
height required) and add a ply or two of BID. Then cover with dynfoam and
normal upholstery etc.
Haven't had a problem with foam in similar uses and the large size of some
bubbles are easily spanned by the BID. Obviously not for structural use or
where precise dimensional control is needed..
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> I used exactly the same two part foam throughout my motor racing career
> and always had a perfect fitting seat. The trick is to seal the foam in
> a plastic bag, I used a dustbin (trash) bag. Make the seat first then do
> the back rest i.e. make them separately, the quantities are more
> controllable that way. You can trim and join them together with tape
> before covering. The only thing to be aware of is that the sacks MUST be
> well sealed initially as the foam really does expand and WILL leak out
> if you haven't sealed the sack properly. Also make sure you use VERY
> LITTLE foam as it expands at a faster rate than the Chinese population!
> Other than that it's a really easy way to make the perfect fitting seat.
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
> Davey
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> --> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom,
> very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars?
>
> When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology.
> The 'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat
> there with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that
> fitted both him and its shell like a glove.
>
> I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid
> the Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my
> head on the window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This
> would enable me to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
> is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail
> done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with
> airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914
> turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons,
> switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Glauser
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: David Glauser <dglauser@gmail.com>
>
> I tried it in exactly that location.
>
> Don't. Do. It.
>
> Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the
> job over with proper blue foam.
>
> dg
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:02 -0500, Steve Crimm
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> >
> > Flight,
> >
> > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue
> foam
> > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom
> floor
> > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with
> > pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in
> > place (not
> directly
> > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the
> > hoses
> and
> > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit.
> >
> > Steve
> > A058
> > N15JN
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Baltics and Colditz Tour |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! All and Bryan
I had declared my intention to try encompass Latvia and Estonia and
probably a landing in Poland all to coincide with the week between the
Barkaby (Stockholm) Rally on W/E 3rd and 4th 5th June and the Stauning
(Denmark) Rally the following W/E 11th 12th June. Since broadly speaking
I would think they can all be combined saving repeating the full
outbound and return journeys if all were done separately.
Somehow now the W/E 18th and 19th is in the frame with Colditz added.
So all that needs to be said is that as much as I'd love to be in the
Colditz trip I guess I must give it a miss.
Should anyone care to tag on to my original suggestion they are quite
welcome, however it's not my plan to have a fixed objective other than
trying to use up the week between the two rally's and attend them both.
This would probably mean departure to Stockholm on 2nd/3rd June and back
to UK from Stauning on approx. 12th June. Ivor Phillips will be flying
with me again but we will have no advance accommodation plans and
depending on weather, dates may change and camping may turn into b&b
wherever is appropriate. We will declare our routing to those interested
but in no sense of the plan will we be organising a group trip.
I also expect to attend the Swiss Rally 19th 20th 21st August. And maybe
a "Drop of the Hat" to southern Portugal as a forerunner to a Winter
trip there in February 2006.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 trike MKI/Jabiru 3300.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Allsop [mailto:bryan@blackballclub.com]
Subject: Baltics and Colditz Tour
Hi Bob! Thanks for your e-mail.
Yes I recall you telling me about your intentions regarding the Baltic
states, but I had not realized the extent of your ambitions. There again
the contents of your latest mail bewilder me. It's a fast decline one
you hang your boots up.
The proposed timescale is not cast in stone. I offered up that date
because it does not conflict with anything, but I do not think it would
be practical to try to fit the Colditz thing in to co-incide with your
magnificent schedule.
However if it works out, you will be welcome.
I don't think I would fancy aviating in Greece either. I do not think I
will foregiive them for jailing those spotters.
Cheers Bryan.
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| Subject: | Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>Jeff
>
>I guess I qualify to comment on this question.
>I started with "Wile E. Coyote" N229WC as a monowheel. I had the first 15
>hours put on my Bob Jacobsen and John Hurst. John gave me 10 hours in
>Lakeland in his demonstrator so I was "qualified" for my insurance to fly my
>own plane. I made my first landing perfectly. and the 8th one was good too.
>In hind sight, I was not getting the plane slow enough when I put it on the
>runway. I bounced. At 22 hours I broke the prop and the wife suggested I
>"do something" to fix the problem.
>Now N22WC is a trike and a "pussycat" to land. It is just as easy to land as
>a 152. (a little different due to the low wings) I should have just built
>it right the first time :(
>
>Really, I put down full flaps just before turning Base and back off on the
>power, trim for 80MPH, and use the throttle to fly to the fence. Then slow
>to 60 MPH and hold it off till it lands. Rather basic approach. The plane
>will land at any speed and the only problem I have had is trying to put it
>down too fast (hard) . It is best to just fly it on. It would be hard to
>goof a landing up (compared to the mono that must nearly stall to land)
>
>I hope that helps. These are my thought anyway !
>
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
>Edmonds, WA 98020
>425 776 5555
>http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>Rain forecast for a day or two, no flying :(
>
>
>
>
Thanks, Cliff and everyone else who responded.
--
Jeff
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Jim Thusby contact info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
anyone have a telephone and/or email for Jim? Thanks
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
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| Subject: | Re: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Don Heath <d.heath@voyager.net>
Nigel, I sent you a message a while back, d'ont know if you recieved it,I have
cracking on my port aft manifold, stainless muffler, I would appreaciat it if you
would send me info on repair ect.Thanks,
Don Heath,USA, Mono wheel clasic, A001
nigel charles wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> >Gidday,
> I was one of the guys waiting for a minimum of 10 people to confirm
> their
> intent to buy an Classic Stainless Steel exhaust. The latest is that the
>
> manufacturer is not going ahead with the production run because there
> are
> stock levels at Europa 2004. He did tell me however that the stock is
> old
> stock and has not been adjusted for the problems identified by Nigel
> Charles. So, he asked me to contact Europa 2004 and ask them to give him
> a
> call, to get the stock returned for the adjustment. I haven't been able
> to
> get in contact with them, principally because being on the other side of
>
> the world time zone wise phone calls always clash with family
> responsibilities and sleep leaving e-mail as the easiest form of
> communication, and to my knowledge that is not possible. I hope so soon.
> If you are interested therefore in one of these exhausts that are "not
> from
> a current run", be aware that without modification they won't fit
> easily,
> and as I recall from Nigels experience, led to several many hours
> nutting
> out a fix, involving the manufacturer. To get something from the other
> side
> of the world and have to return it for rectification is a situation I
> would
> like to guard myself and others from, being my intent of this message.<
>
> CKT(who do much of the metal forming for Europa, both the old and new
> company) is run by Chris Piper who has made great efforts to correct the
> jigging problem associated with the Classic stainless exhaust. I hasten
> to add that CKT was not responsible for the original setting up of this
> exhaust and I think it admirable that Chris has sorted this problem when
> it was not of his making in the first place. I know that he will be
> intent on making sure that none of the old stock exhausts are dispatched
> to customers before the necessary correction has been made. I know Andy
> Draper is well aware of the situation so potential customers have no
> reason to be concerned in this respect. Anyone using an old unmodified
> exhaust should regularly inspect the port aft manifold for signs of
> cracking. They should also consider getting the manifold modified,
> either by CKT if in the UK, or by a suitably qualified welder if abroad.
> For those abroad I suggest they contact me for advice before proceeding
> so that I can help them identify the corrective work necessary.
>
> Nigel Charles
> Europa Club Mods Rep
>
>
> _____________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Jim Thusby contact info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
here!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: Jim Thusby contact info
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
anyone have a telephone and/or email for Jim? Thanks
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
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| Subject: | Jim Thusby contact info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Oh! Hi Jim... did you get the email request about
possibly flying to Phoenix for some transition time?
Thanks,
Paul Boulet
--- Jim Thursby <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> here!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Paul Boulet
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Jim Thusby contact info
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet
> <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all;
> anyone have a telephone and/or email for Jim?
> Thanks
> Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
>
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