---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/13/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa (nigel charles) 2. 07:41 AM - Re: Static connection (Fred Fillinger) 3. 12:30 PM - Anguish.......... (Fergus Kyle) 4. 12:54 PM - Re: Anguish.......... (Gerry Holland) 5. 01:05 PM - Icom A-200 Comm (MJKTuck@cs.com) 6. 01:38 PM - Re: Icom A-200 Comm (Carl Pattinson) 7. 02:00 PM - Re: Anguish.......... (Duncan McFadyean) 8. 02:08 PM - Re: Icom A-200 Comm (Gerry Holland) 9. 02:18 PM - Re: Anguish.......... (Gerry Holland) 10. 03:32 PM - Re: Static connection (steve v.) 11. 05:25 PM - Re: Anguish.......... (KARL HEINDL) 12. 06:16 PM - Re: Icom A-200 Comm (MJKTuck@cs.com) 13. 06:22 PM - Re: Icom A-200 Comm (MJKTuck@cs.com) 14. 07:46 PM - Re: Icom A-200 Comm (Ken Stribling) 15. 08:05 PM - Speed Vs. Air density. (Paul McAllister) 16. 08:48 PM - Re: Anguish.......... (Fergus Kyle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:19 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" >I sent you a message a while back, d'ont know if you recieved it,I have cracking on my port aft manifold, stainless muffler, I would appreaciat it if you would send me info on repair ect< I did reply at the time. Sorry that you did not receive it OK. The info you need is as follows: The problem was caused by a slight error in the setup of the jig. The present exhaust manufacturer was not at fault and although they inherited the problem they have used my exhaust as a prototype to get it right. However as you are US based it would be easier and cheaper to get yours fixed locally. As you don't have a jig you will need to use your engine instead. If the exhaust fits such that all the manifolds can be positioned snugly without any loads then it is OK. As yours is cracked it is highly likely that that it has been caused by stresses pulling the port manifold away from its unstressed position. If this is the case proceed as follows: 1. Fit all the exhaust minus the port rear manifold. Make sure all parts fit without undue stress. 2. Get your local qualified welder to modify the port manifold tube such that it can be fitted without stress. The cracks on mine occurred around the joining collar in the manifold. It is probably best to reuse the existing upstream part and get your welder to remake a piece to join to the muffler part. 3. If the part is made correctly it should be possible to remove and refit the manifold without removing the whole exhaust. To do this, after having removed the exhaust nuts and springs, rotate the manifold and it should swing away from the engine enough to withdraw it from the muffler. As an aside the latest exhaust nuts (which are copper coloured) are slightly smaller which makes removal and refitting easier. I highly recommend replacing these anyway as they can work loose if they are removed and refitted too many times. Come back to me if you have more questions. Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:22 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Static connection --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" "Duncan McFadyean" wrote: > > I too use cockpit static and find it to be as "accurate" as the Factory wing > mounted position. That is, it makes no measurable difference to the > airspeed. > > What I have not checked particularly accurately is what difference it makes > to Mode C altitude reporting. > If the encoder is plumbed to the same static source as the altimeter, as it should be, then both encoder and altimeter will "read" the same...but not necessarily accurate altitude. I recall a couple occasions in the other plane where the static line sprung a healthy leak, and pulling an air vent open caused the altimeter to instantly read at least a 100 feet lower. On the bright side, for "hard" IFR, it would be nice to gain another 100' or so on minimum descent altitude just by closing the vents. :-) For VFR, I suppose we could also correct for just a little too slow on final by just adjusting the vents??? Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:43 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor car fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that Toronto (being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend will increase in popularity across the land. Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa materials. Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) - I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is swiftly becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling resources). So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without worse news. Tell me it ain't so! Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Ferg Hi! We are all in Europe suffering various changes in composition of delivered Fuels having started years back with the first unleaded changes. In all of these ensuing years the combustion Engine and it's fuel supply has coped with some minor and major tweaks to the systems. It will be worth monitoring and investigating what the Automotive Industry are feeling on the subject. Cars have Aluminium and plastic throughout them for fuel transfer and storage so I cannot envisage your feeling of trepidation being accepted technically or politically. It has to be said I'm a little of an optimist but I've a feeling all will work out through additives or other subtle changes. I will be interested in other more informed responses. Fortunately we have an election in next few months! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:00 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of 18 swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg wires for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:08 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" Whatever you do with the A200 , make sure you use a separate intercom setup with mic squelch (dont use their integrated one). The reason I say this is because there is no microphone squelch and you will have cockpit noise piped into your headsets via the mics all the time. We use ANR headsets but guess what, no amount of ANR will eliminate what gets in via the mics and noise cancelling microphones will not cancel out all of the cockpit noise. The implication of this is that all incoming transmissions are corrupted by the cockpit noise entering via the mics. This makes them harder to decipher. With mic squelch the mic input is silenced enabling clearer incoming transmissions. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm > --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com > > Hi Folks, > > Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of > 18 > swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg > wires > for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. > > Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do > all > these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble > getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex > connector. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:17 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" < Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > > Ferg Hi! > > We are all in Europe suffering various changes in composition of delivered > Fuels having started years back with the first unleaded changes. > > In all of these ensuing years the combustion Engine and it's fuel supply has > coped with some minor and major tweaks to the systems. > > It will be worth monitoring and investigating what the Automotive Industry > are feeling on the subject. Cars have Aluminium and plastic throughout them > for fuel transfer and storage so I cannot envisage your feeling of > trepidation being accepted technically or politically. > > It has to be said I'm a little of an optimist but I've a feeling all will > work out through additives or other subtle changes. > > I will be interested in other more informed responses. > > Fortunately we have an election in next few months! > > Regards > > Gerry > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Martin Hi! > Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? Yes. > Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all > these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble > getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. No. I placed 18 swg into each pin and then about 3" back from MOLEX ran them into a bunch, added a connecting wire and took them back to Power and Ground as required for each. Each Pin only has a single wire. The join is made externally by whatever you feel suitable. Mine were soldered and then protected by suitable shrink wrap. It works fine. The best laugh was that after I wired it I fitted the Molex UPSIDE DOWN, got no power, received help from a Radio Ham friend who couldn't spot the problem and eventually sent it back to Icom where there was no fault found..... Really!!! Panel wiring has it's moments. Hope that helps. Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > < What difference will that make?! Patience man! You'll have to wait and see! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Static connection From: "steve v." 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." well i wish i knew all this sooner !, i could have wired the two spare switches on top of the control stick to a servo unit linked to the vents thereby giving me remote altitude control without increasing/decreasing rpm. thank you in advance :-) ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:37 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Ferg, I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct some time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It causes detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling is modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied without ethanol. If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to do with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you use for Rotax fuel ? I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from car exhaust fumes. Karl >From: "Fergus Kyle" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: "EUROPALIST" >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > >Cheers, > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor >car >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that >Toronto >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend >will increase in popularity across the land. > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa >materials. >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) >- >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is >swiftly >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling >resources). > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without >worse news. > Tell me it ain't so! >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:28 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Carl, I'm using a Flightcom 403MC intercom therefore bypassing the inbuilt auto-squelch in the A-200 which others had found to be a problem. Regards, Martin ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:00 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com In a message dated 2/13/2005 4:10:21 PM Central Standard Time, gnholland@onetel.com writes: > and took them back to Power and Ground as required for each>> Single wires then for each pin then 'as required' presumably means joining them to the pair (as mentioned in the instructions) of 18 swg for power and a pair of 18 swg for ground? Martin ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:33 PM PST US From: "Ken Stribling" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling" I used jumper wires on mine to hook up in series, If I remember right one power lead controlled the display Ken S. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of 18 swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg wires for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:44 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Speed Vs. Air density. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, I was wondering if some that was a little more versed in aerodynamics could quantify my observations. I am finding that with my 914 Turbo that for a constant power setting I pick up some where between 1.5 ~ 2.0 knots per 1000'. Is this valid or just wishful thinking. Paul ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:15 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Karl, That's true regarding the Rotax NO-NO, and in our case, that may be our saving. If the intent was to concentrate E10 in the TO. area (because of pollution from cars), then to maintain the 5% average, outlying areas may not have any (farmer friendly). That would mean avoiding the cities in general. The stuff is bad news on aluminum alloy - and that's why Rotax rebels I think - alu parts. Please let me know what the [inevitable] response is. I suspect it will skirt the issue since politicians and their ilk aren't supposed to lie any more. Ferg PS The argument is coming to many other lands too. Brazil uses up to 80% ethanol I was told. Their reply should be interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... | --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" | | | Ferg, | | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct some | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It causes | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling is | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied | without ethanol. | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to do | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you use | for Rotax fuel ? | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from | car exhaust fumes. | | Karl | | | >From: "Fergus Kyle" | >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com | >To: "EUROPALIST" | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 | > | >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" | > | >Cheers, | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor | >car | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that | >Toronto | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend | >will increase in popularity across the land. | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa | >materials. | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) | >- | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is | >swiftly | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling | >resources). | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without | >worse news. | > Tell me it ain't so! | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding | > | > | | | | | | |