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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach (R.C.Harrison)
2. 12:39 AM - Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach (Tim Weert)
3. 01:49 AM - Anguish over Ethanol (Graham Singleton)
4. 01:53 AM - (no subject) (Graham Singleton)
5. 02:25 AM - Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach (Moore, Dave)
6. 10:01 AM - Europa cover? (Cliff Shaw)
7. 10:29 AM - Loan of Classic mono trailer Bath/Gloucester area?? The UK ones! (Pete Lawless)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: Europa cover? (Paul McAllister)
9. 11:14 AM - Re: Europa cover? (Fred R. Klein)
10. 01:19 PM - Re: Europa cover? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: Europa cover? (Sven den Boer)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Europa cover? (Robert Berube)
13. 04:15 PM - Re: Europa cover? (Fred Fillinger)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Europa cover? (Cliff Shaw)
15. 09:08 PM - Re: Europa cover? (Jerry Rehn)
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| Subject: | Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Tony.
If you coil the cables correctly they shouldn't overlap and they should
stay outboard of the pins especially so long as they are crimped tight
on the nylon bush. Lots of chaps have used a pair of adjustment bottle
screws to ultimately tighten the slack and to be able to adjust the
lateral arc of the balance weight arm. Yes the heads of the pins need to
be facing forward.
Hope you are shortening the inboard ends of the nylon bushes for
eventual use of the drive clamps without the need to dismantle it all
again!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have
the
cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white
plastic
tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back
edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the
small protrudence of the pin base? Now I am unsure which way the pins
should be, but I have decided that I want the heads of my pins forwards,
as
I have little holes adjacent in the rear tail bulkhead that will be
accessible from another hole in the sternpost, so that I can use a long
rod
to tap them out again in the future, plus also drive them home from
within
the tail. This is probably the normal way anyway, to have the heads
facing
forwards, but I haven't reviewed the manual on this as I have my own
intentions anyway. So, I do however have the problem that if the cable
was
to flex on one side, it could enable the slack side to slip inboard over
the tail of the pin. Whether this would ever happen is probably the
question to ask, as it would mean that the other cable under tension
would
have to stretch to allow the other to go slack. I suppose this then begs
another question which is how tight to make these cables. I have
turnbuckles, so I can tweak them until they are tight as I like. Is
there
any advice as to how tight is enough an not too much. I suppose the
tighter
the less likelihood of further stretching which is what I am trying to
negate with a lateral load, which is of itself a questionable load
anyway.
How am I going to fly my plane in such a fashion that I get a lateral
load
of sufficient strength that it allows one cable to stretch and the other
to
go slack and slip over the tail of the pin. My aircraft probably would
break elsewhere. I am simply seeing the length of my pins as being
apparently inadaquate to also act as a containment
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| Subject: | Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Tony,
I spoke Andy from Europa 2004. He told me that a (mandatory) modification on
the mass balance arm will be available soon. Europa is testing a few
prototypes (6) at this moment. After approval of the PFA, the mod will
become available for all Europa's. In a few weeks we will all know more
about the approved modificated mass balance arm. There is a good change that
a prototype without cables will be the final solution.
If you wait a few weeks, it may safe you a lot time right now.
Regards, Tim.
Heerhugowaard,
PH-JAI
460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the
> cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white
> plastic
> tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back
> edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the
> small protrudence of the pin base? Now I am unsure which way the pins
> should be, but I have decided that I want the heads of my pins forwards,
> as
> I have little holes adjacent in the rear tail bulkhead that will be
> accessible from another hole in the sternpost, so that I can use a long
> rod
> to tap them out again in the future, plus also drive them home from within
> the tail. This is probably the normal way anyway, to have the heads facing
> forwards, but I haven't reviewed the manual on this as I have my own
> intentions anyway. So, I do however have the problem that if the cable was
> to flex on one side, it could enable the slack side to slip inboard over
> the tail of the pin. Whether this would ever happen is probably the
> question to ask, as it would mean that the other cable under tension would
> have to stretch to allow the other to go slack. I suppose this then begs
> another question which is how tight to make these cables. I have
> turnbuckles, so I can tweak them until they are tight as I like. Is there
> any advice as to how tight is enough an not too much. I suppose the
> tighter
> the less likelihood of further stretching which is what I am trying to
> negate with a lateral load, which is of itself a questionable load anyway.
> How am I going to fly my plane in such a fashion that I get a lateral load
> of sufficient strength that it allows one cable to stretch and the other
> to
> go slack and slip over the tail of the pin. My aircraft probably would
> break elsewhere. I am simply seeing the length of my pins as being
> apparently inadaquate to also act as a containment
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Anguish over Ethanol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
(Repost)From the Chief Technical Officer at Kodiak at Oshkosh2004:
There is not part of a rotax 900 series engine harmed by gasohol.
Gasohol is to be avoided in lycs and contis because they still use cork
gaskets which will dissolve. Aluminum is not effected by alcohol.
Water in alcohol may freeze at altitude.
Fuel hoses and o-rings in the Europa FirewallForward kit should
be checked separately for alcohol effect and replaced if needed with
airworthy replacements.
Ira N224XS nearly 100hrs
There used to be an additive in gas to prevent water coming out of solution, probably
benzene. No doubt some thing else now.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Gidday,
I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the
cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white plastic
tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back
edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the
small protrudence of the pin base?
Tony
there is a mandatory mod coming any minute (month!?!) now regarding the tail mass
balance which will hopefully remove the cables.
Andy or Nev?
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Tony,
I don't know the answer to the question you raised, but it has prompted
me to relay to the Forum that I was speaking to Andy Draper last week on
tail plane-torque-tube-related matters.
Andy suggested holding off installing the tail plane mass balance arm
until the factory has finalised testing the Mod being designed to
mitigate against the recent problem.
He indicated that it would not be long before the Mod is issued.
Regards,
Dave Moore
Monowheel 550
Aberdeen, UK
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst
was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will
order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I
remember correctly.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in
Europa?
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| Subject: | Loan of Classic mono trailer Bath/Gloucester area?? The |
UK ones!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Evening All
Has any one got a mono trailer I could borrow for a half day. I need to
move my aeroplane from Wing Farm, Warminster back to Kemble. My own
trailer is on loan and not available for a couple of weeks.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I have noticed a couple of times folks looking to John's contact details.
He has had to endure quite a bit of hardship with the demise of the Europa
company. Several suppliers and customers have taken law suits against him
personally, trying to recover costs and he is now facing large personal
legal bills. Coupled with this John lost a large personal sum of money in
the company.
I have stayed in contact with John and I think he has pretty well moved on
as far as Europa is concerned, if anyone has a particular need to contact
him I would be more than happy to pass a message on.
Paul
>
> Cliff Shaw
>
> PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in
> Europa?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Cliff,
With regard to "canvas", I'd recommend instead the special
waterproof-but-breathable, UV resistant fabrics used in automobile covers.
With regard to the cutting and fitting, my hunch is that a Europa cover
would not be a challenge for a fabric shop set up to fabricate such items;
surely there are many folks doing boat and auto covers. Additionally, rather
than buy something sight unseen, you'd end up more satisfied if you had a
hand in determining the nature and location of the straps or velcro or
whatever to hold it all together.
Good luck and let me know how it works out,
Fred
A194
on 2/16/05 9:59 AM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst
> was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will
> order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I
> remember correctly.
>
> Cliff Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
For what it is worth... I had a conversation with John about the cover last
year when I was picking up my kit.
It was made from a high quality insulated fabric that did not allow the heat
to penetrate to the skin of the aircraft. He said that some early covers were
causing a warping of the skin due to heat.
Have no idea where it came from!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
For Europe I can help some people obtaining a hood of very good quality,
contact me off-line for details.
Cheers
Sven den Boer
A168
PH-SBR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa cover?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst
> was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will
> order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I
> remember correctly.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
> PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in
> Europa?
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The source that made the covers for Europa is not longer making them. He
has retired and assisting his daughter in a business venture. He is no
longer in Lakeland.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa cover?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Cliff,
With regard to "canvas", I'd recommend instead the special
waterproof-but-breathable, UV resistant fabrics used in automobile covers.
With regard to the cutting and fitting, my hunch is that a Europa cover
would not be a challenge for a fabric shop set up to fabricate such items;
surely there are many folks doing boat and auto covers. Additionally, rather
than buy something sight unseen, you'd end up more satisfied if you had a
hand in determining the nature and location of the straps or velcro or
whatever to hold it all together.
Good luck and let me know how it works out,
Fred
A194
on 2/16/05 9:59 AM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst
> was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will
> order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I
> remember correctly.
>
> Cliff Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> For what it is worth... I had a conversation with John about
> the cover last year when I was picking up my kit.
> It was made from a high quality insulated fabric that did not
> allow the heat to penetrate to the skin of the aircraft. He said
> that some early covers were causing a warping of the skin
> due to heat.
> ...
> Brian Skelly
Have 28 years now learning about canopy covers, on a plane residing
downwind of an [acidic] coal-fired power plant. My last two covers
(the 1st one lasted 10 years) were from planecover.com, but sorry no
homebuilts. I'd also think that temperature is primarily a function
of color. Anyway, were you to call Jim Cancil at planecover.com,
here's the short course he just loves to give you, and IMO he's right.
A bit off-color means eventual dirt matters less aesthetically. Then
there's the issue of the softness of the underside so as not to
scratch plexiglass windows. And you want it to breathe, so it doesn't
trap moisture. Therein can lie chemicals which attacks paint, though
much less so only with polyurethane, as I sadly learned on a
competitor's cover. And then you want a balance of
thickness/flexibility to dry out quicker, but not so thin you can't
affix the cover without help in other than light winds. You also want
quick-release fasteners on the straps, but also some stretch in the
straps. Jim uses auto seat-belt strap, but underneath the A/C is a
clever loop of bungee joining the lengths, so you have just the right
tension to secure the fasteners w/o excess pulling which can
eventually fail the sewn threads. You also want as best fit as
possible, as that prevents excess flapping in strong winds which
abrades paint.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Drat !!!!!!
Thanks Bob for the information.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
do not archive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> The source that made the covers for Europa is not longer making them. He
> has retired and assisting his daughter in a business venture. He is no
> longer in Lakeland.
>
> Bob Berube
> Flight Crafters
>
> -----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | Re: Europa cover? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Cliff I have a cover that did not include the cowling. I went to Churchill
Marine, a company that specializes in boat covers of all kinds, there is one
located in Everett, bought the fabric etc, made a pattern and sewed up and
addition to my cover to include the cowl. Not that difficult to make.If you
want you may use my cover for a pattern.
Regards
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa cover?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Drat !!!!!!
>
> Thanks Bob for the information.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
> do not archive
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
>> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> The source that made the covers for Europa is not longer making them. He
>> has retired and assisting his daughter in a business venture. He is no
>> longer in Lakeland.
>>
>> Bob Berube
>> Flight Crafters
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
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