---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/01/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: Carburettor heat shields (JR (Bob) Gowing) 2. 09:59 AM - issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? (D Wysong) 3. 12:38 PM - 912S with the Classsic (Troy Maynor) 4. 04:41 PM - Re: 912S with the Classsic (N55XS) 5. 05:31 PM - Re: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? () 6. 05:51 PM - Re: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? (D Wysong) 7. 06:24 PM - Re: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? (SPurpura@aol.com) 8. 06:42 PM - 914 Firewall FWD (Robert Berube) 9. 07:51 PM - Off topic flight info (Fergus Kyle) 10. 11:44 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:27 AM PST US From: "JR (Bob) Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carburettor heat shields --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" Gerry Copy of scanned paper copy of heat shied to me too please! J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz approaching adding top ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carburettor heat shields > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > > Simon Hi! > > > I'm installing a Rotax 912S in my Europa. The Rotax installation manual > > suggests that a heat shield should be installed beneath each carburettor but > > the Europa manual doesn't mention anything about them. Did anyone install > > them and what did you use? > > I did using some fairly light gauge Aluminium. Paddy Clarke (Scholar and > Gentleman!) lent me a Cardboard Template as pattern including bending lines. > If you would like a scanned paper copy let me know. > > Regards > > Gerry > Europa 384 G-FIZY > Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. > Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. > PSS AoA Fitted. > > http://www.g-fizy.com > Mobile: +44 7808 402404 > WebFax: +44 870 7059985 > gnholland@onetel.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:47 AM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong Has anyone with a Rotax 914 (perhaps 912, too?) had problems with the stock Ducati 12 V regulator/rectifier? Anyone found or heard of any good flying alternatives? I've read reports from motorcycle folks about the Ducati electronics failing due to overheating, but I haven't seen the like from the aircraft community. Surprised me considering some of the tight cowls we're using these days. Anyhow, I'm just trying to fix something that ain't broken (yet). Thanks! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:22 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: 912S with the Classsic --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" Hi All, I am considering making a change to my LH bottom sub panel, (the one normally with switches usually). I have an ACS keyed switch for the mags that includes the start position. I may trade it for one without the start position. I heard or read that starting the 912S is easier if you start with only one mag thereby eliminating some kick back. I would have to get a seperate start push button switch to do this. I know most would say just get the bigger starter. I wish there was one available that would fit the classic installation. I went to a lot of work and expense to get the spinner fitted and the radiator arrangement, cowling opening doors, inlet ducts for cool air, cold air plenum mod, and on and on... Suffice to say I want to keep my classic cowl and this means I can't get the bigger starter. Darn it! So I want to make it as easy as possible for the standard starter to do its job. If starting on one mag will help I want to change the panel now while I'm at this stage. This also requires a lot of backtracking as I have the front of the panel done, including the labeling. My questions are; will starting on one mag really help the anemic starter? How many of you are running the 912S with the standard starter and not having any problems starting? I really don't want to use a bigger battery but I may have to go that route. I am still a long way from actual testing but I need to get this panel wired. You know how it goes, the bridge you build today needs to hold you up when you eventually try to walk across it. Can I get a few opinions on this to arrive at a consensus? Thanks to this valuable forum. Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. (Wiring panel now while I'm crippled.) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:53 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S with the Classsic --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Troy Maynor wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" > >Hi All, > >I am considering making a change to my LH bottom sub panel, (the one >normally with switches usually). I have an ACS keyed switch for the mags >that includes the start position. I may trade it for one without the start >position. I heard or read that starting the 912S is easier if you start with >only one mag thereby eliminating some kick back. I would have to get a >seperate start push button switch to do this. I know most would say just get >the bigger starter. I wish there was one available that would fit the >classic installation. I went to a lot of work and expense to get the spinner >fitted and the radiator arrangement, cowling opening doors, inlet ducts for >cool air, cold air plenum mod, and on and on... Suffice to say I want to >keep my classic cowl and this means I can't get the bigger starter. Darn it! >So I want to make it as easy as possible for the standard starter to do its >job. If starting on one mag will help I want to change the panel now while >I'm at this stage. This also requires a lot of backtracking as I have the >front of the panel done, including the labeling. > >My questions are; will starting on one mag really help the anemic starter? >How many of you are running the 912S with the standard starter and not >having any problems starting? I really don't want to use a bigger battery >but I may have to go that route. I am still a long way from actual testing >but I need to get this panel wired. You know how it goes, the bridge you >build today needs to hold you up when you eventually try to walk across it. >Can I get a few opinions on this to arrive at a consensus? Thanks to this >valuable forum. > >Troy Maynor >N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic >Left to finish: >Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. >(Wiring panel now while I'm crippled.) > > > > Troy, My system is designed with a starter switch which turns the engine and provides power to the trim system (which can be turned off in case of trim runaway). The mags are controlled via rocker switches. Crank the engine, first, then add mags, one at a time. A picture of the installation is viewable on my Dec 5th entry at my build site (see sig line)... -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:56 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? --> Europa-List message posted by: I had to replace mine at 290 hours. It was allowing the alternator to overcharge the battery(16V). Replacement solved the problem. Ken Carpenter N9XS 914 mono ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Wysong" Subject: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? > --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong > > Has anyone with a Rotax 914 (perhaps 912, too?) had problems with the > stock Ducati 12 V regulator/rectifier? Anyone found or heard of any > good flying alternatives? > > I've read reports from motorcycle folks about the Ducati electronics > failing due to overheating, but I haven't seen the like from the > aircraft community. Surprised me considering some of the tight cowls > we're using these days. > > Anyhow, I'm just trying to fix something that ain't broken (yet). > > Thanks! > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:48 PM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Re: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong Thanks for the info, Ken. Did you replace it with a new Ducati or did you use another brand/model? A fellow on the AeroElectric list mentioned switching to a 'German Schicke GR4' to eliminate problems he was seeing... but I've yet to locate any info on this part number. D ----------------- kbcarpenter@comcast.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > I had to replace mine at 290 hours. It was allowing the alternator to > overcharge the battery(16V). Replacement solved the problem. > Ken Carpenter > N9XS 914 mono > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D Wysong" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong >> >>Has anyone with a Rotax 914 (perhaps 912, too?) had problems with the >>stock Ducati 12 V regulator/rectifier? Anyone found or heard of any >>good flying alternatives? >> >>I've read reports from motorcycle folks about the Ducati electronics >>failing due to overheating, but I haven't seen the like from the >>aircraft community. Surprised me considering some of the tight cowls >>we're using these days. >> >>Anyhow, I'm just trying to fix something that ain't broken (yet). >> >>Thanks! >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:42 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: issues with Rotax 914 voltage regulator/rectifier? --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com REPLACED MINE @ 200 HRS,WAS ALLOWING OVERVOLTAGE. SAM N77EU ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:29 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Europa-List: 914 Firewall FWD --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" One of our customers has elected not to use his just received 914 Firewall Forward Kit. Anyone in North America interested can contact me offline for details. Bob Berube Flight Crafters 813 655-6411 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:06 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Off topic flight info --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, try http://www.fossettchallenge.com/ Ferg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:05 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. 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