---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/08/05: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:24 AM - Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 2. 07:43 AM - FW: Time for a laugh (Alan Burrows) 3. 07:45 AM - Re: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? (Cliff Shaw) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? (NevEyre@aol.com) 5. 11:19 AM - Recommended towing and jacking points (simon miles) 6. 12:15 PM - Re: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 7. 01:38 PM - Re: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? (Carl Pattinson) 8. 02:23 PM - Re: Recommended towing and jacking points (R.C.Harrison) 9. 06:46 PM - Aircraft Winching (Steve Crimm) 10. 07:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Winching (Steve Hagar) 11. 11:45 PM - Controlled air space article (MR!PAUL MITCHELL) 12. 11:47 PM - Re: Aircraft Winching (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:34 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" My Rotax 912S has a VDO oil temp sender with a peculiar contact point for the cable to the instrument (in my case Grand Rapids EIS): A thin 1/4" disk on a short pin, all made of brass. The Rotax dealer here has in vain tried to source the cable terminal for those not using Skydat (where it comes with the set), and the VDO importer does not recognize the sender among VDO's products (!). Anyone who knows what type of terminal should be used to connect the instrument cable to this sender, and where I can buy it? Regards, Svein A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:45 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: FW: Time for a laugh --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" All too rarely, airline attendants make an effort to make the in-flight "safety lecture" and announcements a bit more entertaining. Here are some real examples that have been heard or reported: On a Southwest flight (SW has no assigned seating, you just sit where you want) passengers were apparently having a hard time choosing, when a flight attendant announced, "People, people we're not picking out furniture here, find a seat and get in it!" ----------------------- On a Continental Flight with a very "senior" flight attendant crew, the pilot said, "Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached cruising altitude and will be turning down the cabin lights. This is for your comfort and to enhance the appearance of your flight attendants." ------------------------ On landing, the stewardess said, "Please be sure to take all of your belongings. If you're going to leave anything, please make sure it's something we'd like to have." ------------------------ There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only 4 ways out of this airplane" ----------------------- "Thank you for flying Delta Business Express. We hope you enjoyed giving us the business as much as we enjoyed taking you for a ride." --------------------------- As the plane landed and was coming to a stop at Ronald Reagan, a lone voice came over the loudspeaker: "Whoa, big fella. WHOA!" ------------------------- After a particularly rough landing during thunderstorms in Memphis, a flight attendant on a Northwest flight announced, "Please take care when opening the overhead compartments because, after a landing like what, sure as hell everything has shifted." ----------------------- From a Southwest Airlines employee: "Welcome aboard Southwest Flight 245 to Tampa. To operate your seat belt, insert the metal tab into the buckle, and pull tight. It works just like every other seat belt; and, if you don't know how to operate one, you probably shouldn't be out in public unsupervised." --------------------- "In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, masks will descend from the ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and pull it over your face. If you have a small child traveling with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are traveling with more than one small child, pick your favorite." ----------------------- Weather at our destination is 50 degrees with some broken clouds, but we'll try to have them fixed before we arrive. Thank you, and remember, nobody loves you, or your money, more than Southwest Airlines." ------------------------ "Your seat cushions can be used for flotation; and, in the event of an emergency water landing, please paddle to shore and take them with our compliments." ----------------------- "As you exit the plane, make sure to gather all of your belongings, Anything left behind will be distributed evenly among the flight attendants.. Please do not leave children or spouses." --------------------------- And from the pilot during his welcome message: "Delta Airlines is pleased to have some of the best flight attendants in the industry, Unfortunately, none of them are on this flight!" ----------------------------- Heard on Southwest Airlines just after a very hard landing in Salt Lake City: The flight attendant came on the intercom and said, "That was quite a bump, and I know what y'all are thinking. I'm here to tell you it wasn't the airline's fault, it wasn't the pilot's fault, it wasn't the flight attendant's fault, it was the asphalt." ------------------------------ Overheard on an American Airlines flight into Amarillo, Texas, on a particularly windy and bumpy day: During the final approach, the Captain was really having to fight it. After an extremely hard landing, the Flight Attendant said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Amarillo. Please remain in your seats with your seat belts fastened while the Captain taxis what's left of our airplane to the gate!" --------------------- Another flight attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the terminal." --------------------- An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which required the first officer to stand at the door while the Passengers exited, smile, and give them a "Thanks for flying our airline." He said that, in light of his bad landing, he had a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking that someone would have a smart comment. Finally everyone had gotten off except for a little old lady walking with a cane. She said, "Sir, do you mind if I ask you a question?" "Why, no, Ma'am," said the pilot. "What is it?" The little old lady said, "Did we land, or were we shot down?" ------------------- After a real crusher of a landing in Phoenix, the attendant came on with, "Ladies and Gentlemen, please remain in your seats until Capt, Crash and the Crew have brought the aircraft to a screeching halt against the gate. And, once the tire smoke has cleared and the warning bells are silenced, we'll open the door and you can pick your way through the wreckage to the terminal." ------------------ Part of a flight attendant's arrival announcement: "We'd like to thank you folks for flying with us today. And, the next time you get the insane urge to go blasting through the skies in a pressurized metal tube, we hope you'll think of US Airways." --------------- Heard on a Southwest Airline flight. "Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to smoke, the smoking section on this airplane is on the wing and if you can light 'em, you can smoke 'em." ---------------- A plane was taking off from Kennedy Airport. After it reached a comfortable cruising altitude, the captain made an announcement over the intercom, "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking, Welcome to Flight Number 293, nonstop from New York to Los Angeles, The weather ahead is good and, therefore, we should have a smooth and uneventful flight. Now sit back and relax... OH, MY GOD!" Silence followed, and after a few minutes, the captain came back on the intercom and said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, I am so sorry if I scared you earlier. While I was talking to you, the flight attendant accidentally spilled a cup of hot coffee in my lap. You should see the front of my pants!" A passenger in Coach yelled, "That's nothing. You should see the back of mine!" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:43 AM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" http://www.42draftdesigns.com/tech.htm Go to this link I found (using GOOGLA) and scroll down a couple times. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" > > > My Rotax 912S has a VDO oil temp sender with a peculiar contact point for > the cable to the instrument (in my case Grand Rapids EIS): A thin 1/4" > disk on a short pin, all made of brass. The Rotax dealer here has in > vain tried to source the cable terminal for those not using Skydat (where > it comes with the set), and the VDO importer does not recognize the sender > among VDO's products (!). > > Anyone who knows what type of terminal should be used to connect the > instrument cable to this sender, and where I can buy it? > > Regards, > Svein > A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:29 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Svein, The terminal for the VDO gauge takes a standard 1/4'' female LUCAR connector, pushed on sideways [sounds funny, but true !] Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:35 AM PST US From: "simon miles" Subject: Europa-List: Recommended towing and jacking points --> Europa-List message posted by: "simon miles" My Tri-gear is due to be moved from the workshop to its hangar next weekend. I need to lift the nose-wheel by about 12" or 30cm to reduce the overall height of the aeroplane so it will fit through the door of the workshop - is there a preferred jacking point to do this? In addition, is there a preferred towing point (or pushing point) to get it up the ramp from the workshop to the road. There will be four of us to do the pushing/pulling (I hope - the weather forecast is for snow on Saturday...) Simon Miles Tri-gear #508, Rotax 912S, Airmaster propeller. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:05 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Thank you, all, for the replies. How can such an apparently intricate "thing" have such a simple solution?! My thought was to use such a standard female connector, which I would probably have done if it were in my boat, but it just looked so out-of-place on that fancy sender end, and in an airplane. Anyway, the simpler, the better - just hope the connector stays on when the engine vibrates. Again, thank you very much! Regards, Svein A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:12 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" Just make sure the leads cant vibrate as this will cause fluctuations in the readings especially if you are using digital instruments. WE had a problem with this about 6 months ago. Played havoc with the readings till we found the cause. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil temp sender: Cable terminal? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" > > > Thank you, all, for the replies. How can such an apparently intricate > "thing" have such a simple solution?! My thought was to use such a > standard > female connector, which I would probably have done if it were in my boat, > but it just looked so out-of-place on that fancy sender end, and in an > airplane. Anyway, the simpler, the better - just hope the connector stays > on when the engine vibrates. > > Again, thank you very much! > > Regards, > Svein > A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:15 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Recommended towing and jacking points --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Simon One guy leans over the rear of the empennage to hold the tail down, that gets the nose up. or he can press on one side of the torque tube which keeps his feet on the floor so he can do some directional steering. Two more guys each pull on the front of the door jambs. Fourth one pulls on the prop. close to the spinner only. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of simon miles Subject: Europa-List: Recommended towing and jacking points --> Europa-List message posted by: "simon miles" My Tri-gear is due to be moved from the workshop to its hangar next weekend. I need to lift the nose-wheel by about 12" or 30cm to reduce the overall height of the aeroplane so it will fit through the door of the workshop - is there a preferred jacking point to do this? In addition, is there a preferred towing point (or pushing point) to get it up the ramp from the workshop to the road. There will be four of us to do the pushing/pulling (I hope - the weather forecast is for snow on Saturday...) Simon Miles Tri-gear #508, Rotax 912S, Airmaster propeller. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:49 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Flight, I am considering getting an electric strap winch to assist in loading my monowheel onto it's trailer. For those who utilize a winch I have these questions: 1. Where do you attach the winch strap/cable to the aircraft so it doesn't damage the aircraft? 2. What type of attachment do you use if you pull using the landing gear? 3. Are there any secrets learner from experience that will assist me in setting up a winch on my trailer? Thanks, Steve Crimm A058 N15JN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:07 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Steve: I winch the monowheel tail first up on the trailer. I have made a lanyard out of aircraft cable with 2 loops on it to slip over the axel extensions on the tailwheel. The aircraft cg is very far forward without the wings and tail installed. I have had the aircraft nose over when going down the ramp when paying out the strap too fast and then trying to stop the motion too fast. My trailer is a dual axel flatbed. I made an exension over the tongue area to install the winch and to give a place for the tailwheel to go. The ramp has a good incline to it as the flatbed is typically higher than the rail type trailers. I went with a flatbed to offer a degree of protection that the rail trailers do not offer. The traffic here is horrendous, I don't trust the aircraft on a small trailer on the roads out here. Steve Hagar N40 SH A143 Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Steve Crimm > To: > Date: 3/8/2005 7:45:36 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" > > Flight, > > I am considering getting an electric strap winch to assist in loading my > monowheel onto it's trailer. For those who utilize a winch I have these > questions: > > 1. Where do you attach the winch strap/cable to the aircraft so it doesn't > damage the aircraft? > > 2. What type of attachment do you use if you pull using the landing gear? > > 3. Are there any secrets learner from experience that will assist me in > setting up a winch on my trailer? > > Thanks, > > Steve Crimm > A058 > N15JN > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:22 PM PST US From: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Europa-List: Controlled air space article --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Gents, Some time last year I remember reading an article in ??? magazine (This is the question) where two guys of very different experience had flown a set route round Southern England, asking for and mostly getting crossing clearance for Southampton, London city, Stanstead and Luton ATZ while flying VMC. They flew a C150 with the experienced guy on the radio and them reversed the route in a twin with the inexperienced guy on the radio. Do any of you remember the article and if so what book and date. Thanks. Paul Mitchell ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:19 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Steve Although my a/c is a trike it was built as a convertible and so has the tail wheel extension spring /rod. It so happened that I needed a small amount of ballast there too so I have a tow eye on the spring instead of the pivoting wheel. I didn't skimp with the strength added to the inside of the fuselage in that area either. MY a/c is winched in and out of the box trailer every time I fly (600 hours) to no detriment. With the mono your main challenge will be keeping the fuselage upright and will so need at least one helper to steady it with the wings fitted and probably one person each side without the wings, no doubt the mono guys may have some better advice for the mono rig. But I'd recommend a small trolly to sit the tail wheel in to enable it to remain in line and so not stress the rudder cables etc. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Flight, I am considering getting an electric strap winch to assist in loading my monowheel onto it's trailer. For those who utilize a winch I have these questions: 1. Where do you attach the winch strap/cable to the aircraft so it doesn't damage the aircraft? 2. What type of attachment do you use if you pull using the landing gear? 3. Are there any secrets learner from experience that will assist me in setting up a winch on my trailer? Thanks, Steve Crimm A058 N15JN