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1. 12:54 AM - Re: Controlled air space article (mark.henwick)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: Controlled air space article (Alan Burrows)
3. 01:29 AM - Now this one really needs sharing..! (Alan Burrows)
4. 03:21 AM - Re: Aircraft Winching (David Joyce)
5. 04:44 AM - Classic engine mount wanted (Bill Henderson)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Aircraft Winching (John & Paddy Wigney)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: 912S with the Classsic (nigel charles)
8. 11:32 AM - Avoiding landing fees by diverting (simon miles)
9. 03:24 PM - The certified Europa? (Tim Weert)
10. 05:40 PM - Re: The certified Europa? (Rob Housman)
11. 06:27 PM - Re: Avoiding landing fees by diverting (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 07:46 PM - Re: The certified Europa? (Rick Audy)
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| Subject: | Controlled air space article |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "mark.henwick" <mark.henwick@btconnect.com>
Ah ha! One I can answer at last. It was Flyer magazine Feb
2004, they used an Aztec and a 172. Article concludes no
problem generally but 'doubts about Manchester' which didn't
feature in their test route.
Mark Henwick
Building s l o w l y - reinforcing the wings at the moment
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL"
--> <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Gents,
Some time last year I remember reading an article in ???
magazine (This is the question) where two guys of very
different experience had flown a set route round Southern
England, asking for and mostly getting crossing clearance
for Southampton, London city, Stanstead and Luton ATZ while
flying VMC. They flew a C150 with the experienced guy on the
radio and them reversed the route in a twin with the
inexperienced guy on the radio. Do any of you remember the
article and if so what book and date. Thanks. Paul Mitchell
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| Subject: | Controlled air space article |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Just as an aside to this thread. I was on a flight from Guernsey to
Shoreham last week and had to divert into Southampton due to weather
(snow and very low vis.). When we landed at Southampton we were told
they would not wave the landing fee as we had not called a Mayday or Pan
so it was not considered an "emergency divert". They were quite
insistent, but so were we about not paying and after having the matter
referred to the airport manager we won the day. Anyone else experienced
this kind of nonsense ?
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MR!PAUL
MITCHELL
Subject: Europa-List: Controlled air space article
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL"
--> <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Gents,
Some time last year I remember reading an article in ??? magazine (This
is the question) where two guys of very different experience had flown a
set route round Southern England, asking for and mostly getting crossing
clearance for Southampton, London city, Stanstead and Luton ATZ while
flying VMC. They flew a C150 with the experienced guy on the radio and
them reversed the route in a twin with the inexperienced guy on the
radio. Do any of you remember the article and if so what book and date.
Thanks. Paul Mitchell
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| Subject: | Now this one really needs sharing..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
A photographer from a well-known national magazine was assigned to
cover the recent Southern California fires. The magazine wanted to show
some of the heroic work of the firefighters as they battled the blazes.
When the photographer arrived, he realized that the smoke was so
thick that it would seriously impede or make it impossible for him to
photograph anything from ground-level. So he requested permission
to rent a plane and take photos from the air. His request was approved,
and
arrangements were made. He was told to report to a nearby airport,
where a single-engine plane would be waiting for him.
He arrived at the airport and saw a plane warming up near the
gate. He jumped in with his bag and shouted, "Let's go!" The pilot
swung the plane into the wind, and within minutes they were in the air.
The photographer said, "Fly over the park and make two or three low
passes so I can take some pictures."
"Why?" asked the pilot.
"Because I am a photographer for a national magazine," he
responded, "and I need some close-up shots."
The pilot was silent for a moment; finally he stammered, "So,
you're telling me you're not the instructor.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Winching |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Steve, I use a hand winch to get my mono in its covered trailer and find it
entirely satisfactory. The actual amount of effort involved in winding it up
the ramp is so little that I wouldn't personally consider a motorised
version. The winch strap has a hook on the end of it and I simply hook this
on to the two looped ends of a circular strop placed round the tailwheel
spring and leading back over the solid metal bit which limits rotation of
the tail wheel fork unit. The winch is fixed to the frame in front of the
front wall of the enclosed part of the trailer and the strap gets into the
trailer thru a small flap. There is a small door in the front wall of the
trailer, and opening this allows you to see what you are up to while
winching it in. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
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> Flight,
>
> I am considering getting an electric strap winch to assist in loading my
> monowheel onto it's trailer. For those who utilize a winch I have these
> questions:
>
> 1. Where do you attach the winch strap/cable to the aircraft so it
doesn't
> damage the aircraft?
>
> 2. What type of attachment do you use if you pull using the landing
gear?
>
> 3. Are there any secrets learner from experience that will assist me in
> setting up a winch on my trailer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Crimm
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
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| Subject: | Classic engine mount wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
I'm looking for a Europa classic engine mount (for Rotax 912).
If someone has one for sale, please contact me at
europabill@bellsouth.net
Thanks,
Bill Henderson
A010 Monowheel Classic
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Winching |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Steve,
I replaced the tail wheel spring attach bolt (AN5-21A) with an AN44-21A
eye bolt. I just put a shackle into the eye and pull on that with a
trailer winch. The eye is also useful as a tie down point.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Winching
Flight,
I am considering getting an electric strap winch to assist in loading my
monowheel onto it's trailer. For those who utilize a winch I have these
questions:
1. Where do you attach the winch strap/cable to the aircraft so it doesn't
damage the aircraft?
2. What type of attachment do you use if you pull using the landing gear?
3. Are there any secrets learner from experience that will assist me in
setting up a winch on my trailer?
Thanks, Steve Crimm A058 N15JN
>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | 912S with the Classsic |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Intend to look at the larger starter and see what is under the cover.
I just wonder if the cover over the end can be cut away a little and
reshaped to accommodate the engine mount on the classic.<
Been there, done it. There is insufficient space. The upper bolt of the
starter would protrude inside the aperture of the starboard upper engine
mount. I concluded that it is impractical to modify the engine mount and
have decided to modify my Classic to XS firewall forward specification.
This gives several advantages:
1. Access to the rear of the engine is much easier.
2. Starter removal and even sprag clutch change is possible with the
engine fitted.
3. Lower cowl removal and refitting is easier as the radiators do not
need detaching.
4. Prop ground clearance is improved reducing blade damage from stones
during taxy and slightly less chance of prop strike.
The main disadvantages are:
1. Price
2. Work required to complete modification.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Avoiding landing fees by diverting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "simon miles" <simon.miles@skynet.be>
Alan,
Why do you consider this attitude to be nonsense? You go flying - it costs.
I am always amazed that any pilot thinks that they deserve a free landing
when things go pear-shaped. Airports such as the three mentioned in your
account are not charitable organisations so why should you get a free
landing even if the circumstances are beyond your control - I assume the
weather you encountered wasn't forecast? Presumably you anticipated paying a
landing fee on arrival at Shoreham, so what caused you so much grief about
paying one at Southampton?
Yours in amazement,
Simon Miles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Controlled air space article
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Just as an aside to this thread. I was on a flight from Guernsey to
> Shoreham last week and had to divert into Southampton due to weather
> (snow and very low vis.). When we landed at Southampton we were told
> they would not wave the landing fee as we had not called a Mayday or Pan
> so it was not considered an "emergency divert". They were quite
> insistent, but so were we about not paying and after having the matter
> referred to the airport manager we won the day. Anyone else experienced
> this kind of nonsense ?
>
> Alan
>
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| Subject: | The certified Europa? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Just a question....
Is Ivan Shaw involved in the Liberty LX2 project or did Liberty Aerospace
steel the Europa design ?
According the pictures at the website the Liberty LX2 is a Europa XS
"hightop" with a lot of modifications and a aluminium wing and tailplane.
They fitted the Teledyne Continental IOF 240-B
See: http://www.libertyaircraft.com
Check the performance and specification data. The Max TOW is increased to
1653 lbs / 750 kg !
May be some of you are able to learn us more about the relationship between
the Europa XS and the Liberty LX2.
Regards, Tim Weert
Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands
460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332
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| Subject: | The certified Europa? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
Search the archives using, for example, "Liberty & Shaw" for your search
string (without the quotes of course) and you will find some messages on
this subject. The similarities between the two aircraft are not a
coincidence nor was the Europa "borrowed" from Ivan. Note that the major
structural difference between the designs is the Cr-Mo steel tube truss
around the cabin and the use of carbon fiber rather than glass in the
composite.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Weert
Subject: Europa-List: The certified Europa?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Just a question....
Is Ivan Shaw involved in the Liberty LX2 project or did Liberty Aerospace
steel the Europa design ?
According the pictures at the website the Liberty LX2 is a Europa XS
"hightop" with a lot of modifications and a aluminium wing and tailplane.
They fitted the Teledyne Continental IOF 240-B
See: http://www.libertyaircraft.com
Check the performance and specification data. The Max TOW is increased to
1653 lbs / 750 kg !
May be some of you are able to learn us more about the relationship between
the Europa XS and the Liberty LX2.
Regards, Tim Weert
Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands
460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332
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| Subject: | Re: Avoiding landing fees by diverting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Alan,
I agree with Simon......where do you think you are?.....in the States? :-)
Do Not Archive
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: The certified Europa? |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:45:08 -0500
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Audy" <rickaudy@msn.com>
Hello all, here are 2 good related links:
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/new%20site2/s_page/gallery1.htm<http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/new%20site2/s_page/gallery1.htm>
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/2004/july/liberty.html<http://wwwplaneandpilotmag.com/content/2004/july/liberty.html>
(It's only 140K I bet a lot of us will drop our kits and jump to this)
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Weert<mailto:tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 18:22
Subject: Europa-List: The certified Europa?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl<mailto:tim.weert@hccnet.nl>>
Just a question....
Is Ivan Shaw involved in the Liberty LX2 project or did Liberty Aerospace
steel the Europa design ?
According the pictures at the website the Liberty LX2 is a Europa XS
"hightop" with a lot of modifications and a aluminium wing and tailplane.
They fitted the Teledyne Continental IOF 240-B
See: http://www.libertyaircraft.com<http://www.libertyaircraft.com/>
Check the performance and specification data. The Max TOW is increased to
1653 lbs / 750 kg !
May be some of you are able to learn us more about the relationship between
the Europa XS and the Liberty LX2.
Regards, Tim Weert
Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands
460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332
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