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Mon 03/14/05


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 12:59 AM - Diversion landings (David Corbett)
     2. 06:13 AM - Subject: Re: Lower cowling NACA inlet (Troy Maynor)
     3. 09:30 AM - Re: Diversion landings (Pete Lawless)
     4. 10:55 AM - Re: Diversion landings (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
     5. 12:11 PM - Re: Diversion landings (Tony Krzyzewski)
     6. 12:28 PM - Re: Diversion landings (Fergus Kyle)
     7. 01:22 PM - prop balancing (Sven den Boer)
     8. 02:33 PM - Re: prop balancing (Carl Pattinson)
     9. 03:07 PM - Re: Diversion landings (R.C.Harrison)
    10. 03:07 PM - Re: Diversion landings (R.C.Harrison)
    11. 03:27 PM - Re: prop balancing (+ Advert) (Mark Burton)
    12. 03:43 PM - Re: Diversion landings (Duncan McFadyean)
    13. 03:43 PM - Re: prop balancing (+ Advert) (Duncan McFadyean)
    14. 04:55 PM - Re: Diversion landings ()
    15. 11:01 PM - Re: prop balancing (+ Advert) (William Mills)
    16. 11:17 PM - Re: Diversion landings (Jeremy Davey)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:59:13 AM PST US
    From: "David Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com> To clarify my last message - the landing fee at Humberside was 400 UK pounds, not as converted to Matronics currency! David Do not archive


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    Time: 06:13:02 AM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Lower cowling NACA inlet
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net> Hi All, I thought some were using this inlet to get cool air induction to the 912S carbs instead of cutting one in the top of the cowling. But I don't know for sure since mine is a classic. Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.


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    Time: 09:30:15 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Hi Guys To put it in perspective, I made an emergency landing in my Twin Com 18 months ago at Lyon St Expurey (probably equivalent to Luton in traffic terms) when an engine disintegrated and blew a big hole in the cowling. We shut the airport for 15 minutes while we got down. The aeroplane was then parked on their GA ramp (for GA at St Expurey read Gulfstreams, Falcons etc - not 40 year old Twin Coms) for FOUR MONTHS. Total bill for landing and parking two hundred and twenty pounds stirling. Plus the amount of help I got organising maintenance and running me about the field was incredible. Makes 400 for one landing sound just a bit exceesive! Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Corbett Subject: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" --> <david.corbett5@btinternet.com> To clarify my last message - the landing fee at Humberside was 400 UK pounds, not as converted to Matronics currency! David Do not archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 10:55:19 AM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com David, Let me get this right...I did the conversion....you were charged the equivalent to $800 just to land your plane! How could they justify this charge? Are these airports owned by private companies? Is there no allowance by the government for deviations due to weather? Maybe it's time for a little revolution over on your side of the pond. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that.


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    Time: 12:11:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Diversion landings
    From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
    Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz> >>> Let me get this right...I did the conversion....you were charged the equivalent to $800 just to land your plane! How could they justify this charge? Are these airports owned by private companies? Is there no allowance by the government for deviations due to weather? Gee, and here was I grizzling about the USD28 that NZ's largest airport, Auckland International, charged me to land and park a Europa for eight hours!!! GBP400 for a landing fee is extortionate. Tony


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    Time: 12:28:19 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Re: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> : Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings | --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com| | David, | | Let me get this right...I did the conversion....you were charged the | equivalent to $800 just to land your plane! How could they justify this charge? Are | these airports owned by private companies? Is there no allowance by the | government for deviations due to weather?| | Maybe it's time for a little revolution over on your side of the pond. Duane, No, you did not do THE conversion, you did A conversion. In fact it's $928. The pond has three sides. Ferg


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    Time: 01:22:35 PM PST US
    From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
    Subject: prop balancing
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Any one experience with propbalancing of a fixed type warp prop? Cheers, Sven den Boer PH-SBR A168


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    Time: 02:33:39 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: prop balancing
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> It shouldnt be necessary as they are supposed to be factory balanced. If you must do your own, Lyndhurst in UK does one (inported from USA). Cost is about 1000. I believe it can also be loaned/ hired (presumably though only in the UK). http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/pb1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Subject: Europa-List: prop balancing > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> > > Any one experience with propbalancing of a fixed type warp prop? > > Cheers, > > Sven den Boer > PH-SBR > A168 > > >


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    Time: 03:07:36 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Duane , When we get the hell out of Europe we will call it a revolution specially for you and it just may be closer than some folks think ! Don't really know why you helped save them ! Our minimum 3rd party and Passenger insurances are having to be reviewed due to the Brussells Little Hitlers. Trouble is the general population isn't yet awake as to how we are being stuffed, when they wake up it will then be a revolution. Regards Bob Harrison do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com David, Let me get this right...I did the conversion....you were charged the equivalent to $800 just to land your plane! How could they justify this charge? Are these airports owned by private companies? Is there no allowance by the government for deviations due to weather? Maybe it's time for a little revolution over on your side of the pond. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that.


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    Time: 03:07:36 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Humberside is normally 12 +vat @17.5% PER LANDING When it is officially open for a Europa size aircraft. The excessive charge would probably include for a fine for landing out of published open hours and include for payments to such as fire crew to be activated to stand by. Palma Majorca is about 9.00 to land but then you just may get caught by a handling agent for another 70.!I think Luxemburg was about 6.00 plus an extortionate compulsory bus ride to control.! I was threatened with a 200 fine for landing at Biggin Hill 30 minutes early, seems with no fire cover and you pranged on the runway the airport would have to be closed ! Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> : Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings | --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com| | David, | | Let me get this right...I did the conversion....you were charged the | equivalent to $800 just to land your plane! How could they justify this charge? Are | these airports owned by private companies? Is there no allowance by the | government for deviations due to weather?| | Maybe it's time for a little revolution over on your side of the pond. Duane, No, you did not do THE conversion, you did A conversion. In fact it's $928. The pond has three sides. Ferg


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    Time: 03:27:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop balancing (+ Advert)
    From: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com> Hi Folks, > It shouldnt be necessary as they are supposed to be factory balanced. The propeller may be well balanced when brand spanking new but by the time it has been attached to the aircraft and a spinner popped on the front it is very likely to need balancing. In the unlikely event that the prop/spinner combo are perfectly balanced to start with, they won't stay that way for ever due to dings on the blades. Apparently, if you take a propeller off and replace it 1/1000" out of centre then that will produce a noticeable amount of vibration. I believe from my communications with an experienced prop balancing guy in the USA that around 80% of all propellers would benefit from being balanced but most people don't bother because they believe their installation is smooth enough. Most people are wrong! > If you must do your own, Lyndhurst in UK does one (inported from USA). Cost > is about 1000. I believe it can also be loaned/ hired (presumably though > only in the UK). > > http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/pb1.htm Actually, it's manufactured in the UK by my company (Smart Avionics), it costs 850 GBP + VAT (no VAT for non-EU exports!) and as far as I know, cannot be loaned or hired yet. <start sales blurb> Traditionally, the equipment required to dynamically balance propellers has been very expensive and complicated to use. Since the PB-1 has become available, I believe that is no longer true. A large amount of effort has gone into the design of the PB-1 to make it easy to use by your average homebuilder/pilot. Once familiar with the operation of the PB-1, someone who isn't a technical wizzard can balance a propeller in just a few minutes (obviously this depends on the state of the propeller/engine being basically ok). For development purposes, I have balanced the PV-50 propeller on G-NEAT many times now and as the balancing equipment matured, the results I achieved got better and better. Every time I went flying afterwards, I could feel the improvement. But now the prop vibration level is so low (less than 0.05 IPS) that it is completely masked by engine/airframe vibration. When propeller balancing is easy to achieve and the equipment to do the job is (relatively) cheap, there aren't many good reasons for not having your prop balanced on a fairly regular basis. You know it makes sense. www.smartavionics.com has more information on the PB-1 including the operating manual that explains how the thing is used. <end sales blurb> Cheers, Mark


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    Time: 03:43:19 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> If it was a 'fine' then it would be easily resisted. One individual cannot fine another under English law (Dunlop vs Selfridges, 1915). Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diversion landings > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Humberside is normally 12 +vat @17.5% PER LANDING When it is officially > open for a Europa size aircraft. The excessive charge would probably > include for a fine for landing out of published open hours and include > for payments to such as fire crew to be activated to stand by. > Palma Majorca is about 9.00 to land but then you just may get caught by > a handling agent for another 70.!I think Luxemburg was about 6.00 plus > an extortionate compulsory bus ride to control.! > I was threatened with a 200 fine for landing at Biggin Hill 30 minutes > early, seems with no fire cover and you pranged on the runway the > airport would have to be closed ! > Regards > Bob Harrison. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> > > : Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > this > charge? Are > the > pond. > > Duane, > No, you did not do THE conversion, you did A conversion. > In fact it's $928. The pond has three sides. > Ferg > >


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    Time: 03:43:19 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: prop balancing (+ Advert)
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Hear hear! Duncan mcF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Burton" <markb@ordern.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: prop balancing (+ Advert) > --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com> > > > Hi Folks, > > > It shouldnt be necessary as they are supposed to be factory balanced. > > The propeller may be well balanced when brand spanking new but by the > time it has been attached to the aircraft and a spinner popped on the > front it is very likely to need balancing. > > In the unlikely event that the prop/spinner combo are perfectly > balanced to start with, they won't stay that way for ever due to dings > on the blades. Apparently, if you take a propeller off and replace it > 1/1000" out of centre then that will produce a noticeable amount of > vibration. > > I believe from my communications with an experienced prop balancing > guy in the USA that around 80% of all propellers would benefit from > being balanced but most people don't bother because they believe their > installation is smooth enough. Most people are wrong! > > > If you must do your own, Lyndhurst in UK does one (inported from USA). Cost > > is about 1000. I believe it can also be loaned/ hired (presumably though > > only in the UK). > > > > http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/pb1.htm > > Actually, it's manufactured in the UK by my company (Smart Avionics), > it costs 850 GBP + VAT (no VAT for non-EU exports!) and as far as I > know, cannot be loaned or hired yet. > > <start sales blurb> > > Traditionally, the equipment required to dynamically balance > propellers has been very expensive and complicated to use. Since the > PB-1 has become available, I believe that is no longer true. > > A large amount of effort has gone into the design of the PB-1 to make > it easy to use by your average homebuilder/pilot. Once familiar with > the operation of the PB-1, someone who isn't a technical wizzard can > balance a propeller in just a few minutes (obviously this depends on > the state of the propeller/engine being basically ok). > > For development purposes, I have balanced the PV-50 propeller on > G-NEAT many times now and as the balancing equipment matured, the > results I achieved got better and better. Every time I went flying > afterwards, I could feel the improvement. But now the prop vibration > level is so low (less than 0.05 IPS) that it is completely masked by > engine/airframe vibration. > > When propeller balancing is easy to achieve and the equipment to do > the job is (relatively) cheap, there aren't many good reasons for not > having your prop balanced on a fairly regular basis. You know it makes > sense. > > www.smartavionics.com has more information on the PB-1 including the > operating manual that explains how the thing is used. > > <end sales blurb> > > Cheers, > > Mark > >


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    Time: 04:55:15 PM PST US
    From: <beecho@beecho.org>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> Gosh, I do feel for you Brits! I have been charged $5.00 (USD) once for landing at Seattle-Tacoma International and nowhere else.... I didn't pay it and it was dropped. Hmm, but then again you don't have to put up with Bush... Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> If it was a 'fine' then it would be easily resisted. One individual cannot fine another under English law (Dunlop vs Selfridges, 1915). Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diversion landings > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Humberside is normally 12 +vat @17.5% PER LANDING When it is > officially open for a Europa size aircraft. The excessive charge would > probably include for a fine for landing out of published open hours > and include for payments to such as fire crew to be activated to stand > by. Palma Majorca is about 9.00 to land but then you just may get > caught by a handling agent for another 70.!I think Luxemburg was about > 6.00 plus an extortionate compulsory bus ride to control.! I was > threatened with a 200 fine for landing at Biggin Hill 30 minutes > early, seems with no fire cover and you pranged on the runway the > airport would have to be closed ! Regards > Bob Harrison. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus > Kyle > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> > > : Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > this > charge? Are > the > pond. > > Duane, > No, you did not do THE conversion, you did A conversion. > In fact it's $928. The pond has three sides. Ferg > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 11:01:16 PM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
    Subject: Re: prop balancing (+ Advert)
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net> I should just like to endorse Mark's comments. My original Warp Drive used to vibrate considerably, but much of that might have been due to the Classic spinner. I had a go at balancing the spinner statically in a dustbin (garbage can) full of water and that improved it a little. I then changed my prop for an Arplast PV50 VP prop and the vibration was much worse, so I had a go at dynamically balancing it by trial and error by placing washers under the spinner screws and judging whether there was an improvement or not. (The cost of dynamically balancing at that time was over 150) I certainly achieved an improvement, but after a while it became too difficult to detect any further improvement or if it has worsened. Mark then made me a vibration detector which registered the magnitude of vibration on my Multimeter, and that helped tremendously, but took an awfully long time because it didn't tell me where to place the weights or how heavy they should be. I did that by trial and error, but I didn't have to rely on my own sense to detect an improvement. I ended up with several piles of washers on the spinner backplate plus one small slab of steel because I couldn't find any washers heavy enough! I also discovered that it was very important how the device was mounted on the engine to be the most effective. Mark's device was fine but it could really have been improved with some form of damping to stop the multimeter numbers from changing so rapidly. Since then I have been a "guinea pig" several times for Mark as he has been developing his PB-1 prop balancer. Each time there has been a distinct improvement and my prop now runs very smoothly. I can certainly recommend Mark's PB-1; it is easy and quick to use and it achieves very good results. Very well done, Mark. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Burton" <markb@ordern.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: prop balancing (+ Advert) > --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com> > > > Hi Folks, > > > It shouldnt be necessary as they are supposed to be factory balanced. > > The propeller may be well balanced when brand spanking new but by the > time it has been attached to the aircraft and a spinner popped on the > front it is very likely to need balancing. > > In the unlikely event that the prop/spinner combo are perfectly > balanced to start with, they won't stay that way for ever due to dings > on the blades. Apparently, if you take a propeller off and replace it > 1/1000" out of centre then that will produce a noticeable amount of > vibration. > > I believe from my communications with an experienced prop balancing > guy in the USA that around 80% of all propellers would benefit from > being balanced but most people don't bother because they believe their > installation is smooth enough. Most people are wrong! > > > If you must do your own, Lyndhurst in UK does one (inported from USA). Cost > > is about 1000. I believe it can also be loaned/ hired (presumably though > > only in the UK). > > > > http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/pb1.htm > > Actually, it's manufactured in the UK by my company (Smart Avionics), > it costs 850 GBP + VAT (no VAT for non-EU exports!) and as far as I > know, cannot be loaned or hired yet. > > <start sales blurb> > > Traditionally, the equipment required to dynamically balance > propellers has been very expensive and complicated to use. Since the > PB-1 has become available, I believe that is no longer true. > > A large amount of effort has gone into the design of the PB-1 to make > it easy to use by your average homebuilder/pilot. Once familiar with > the operation of the PB-1, someone who isn't a technical wizzard can > balance a propeller in just a few minutes (obviously this depends on > the state of the propeller/engine being basically ok). > > For development purposes, I have balanced the PV-50 propeller on > G-NEAT many times now and as the balancing equipment matured, the > results I achieved got better and better. Every time I went flying > afterwards, I could feel the improvement. But now the prop vibration > level is so low (less than 0.05 IPS) that it is completely masked by > engine/airframe vibration. > > When propeller balancing is easy to achieve and the equipment to do > the job is (relatively) cheap, there aren't many good reasons for not > having your prop balanced on a fairly regular basis. You know it makes > sense. > > www.smartavionics.com has more information on the PB-1 including the > operating manual that explains how the thing is used. > > <end sales blurb> > > Cheers, > > Mark > >


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    Time: 11:17:28 PM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Diversion landings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> "Hmm, but then again you don't have to put up with Bush..." Sadly, Tom, I'm afraid we do! :-) And his friend, Blair. Come the Revolution! On a more Europa-oriented topic - I've got to remove my TP10 (the pitch torque tube under the fuel tank). Has anyone out there done this and is it as painful a job as it looks like it's going to be? Any tips on the minimum obstructing hardware to remove? Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1320 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of beecho@beecho.org Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> Gosh, I do feel for you Brits! I have been charged $5.00 (USD) once for landing at Seattle-Tacoma International and nowhere else.... I didn't pay it and it was dropped. Hmm, but then again you don't have to put up with Bush... Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> If it was a 'fine' then it would be easily resisted. One individual cannot fine another under English law (Dunlop vs Selfridges, 1915). Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diversion landings > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Humberside is normally 12 +vat @17.5% PER LANDING When it is > officially open for a Europa size aircraft. The excessive charge would > probably include for a fine for landing out of published open hours > and include for payments to such as fire crew to be activated to stand > by. Palma Majorca is about 9.00 to land but then you just may get > caught by a handling agent for another 70.!I think Luxemburg was about > 6.00 plus an extortionate compulsory bus ride to control.! I was > threatened with a 200 fine for landing at Biggin Hill 30 minutes > early, seems with no fire cover and you pranged on the runway the > airport would have to be closed ! Regards > Bob Harrison. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus > Kyle > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> > > : Re: Europa-List: Diversion landings > this > charge? Are > the > pond. > > Duane, > No, you did not do THE conversion, you did A conversion. > In fact it's $928. The pond has three sides. Ferg > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.




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