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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Re:Wing Rigging (John Cliff)
2. 09:17 AM - CTC Aviation ?? (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
3. 10:11 AM - Speed Kit (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 10:55 AM - Re: Speed Kit (Gerry Holland)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Speed Kit (josok)
6. 11:30 AM - Electric Flap Operation (Duncan McFadyean)
7. 12:15 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (R.C.Harrison)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (josok)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: Speed Kit (JEFF ROBERTS)
10. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (Duncan McFadyean)
11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (Cliff Shaw)
12. 02:31 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rigging |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> The simplest way to do it is to use a 1/4 inch clear flextube with water
> and a drop
> of detergent and set up reliable reference points on leading and trailing
> edges.
And a small amount of dark-coloured food colourant added to the water makes
it easier, too.
John Cliff
#0259
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
This is not about Europa and therefore it is properly against the rules
- you can beat me up another day...
My q is if anybody has any personal experience with a UK based company
called CTC Aviation??
Reason: in my family we have got a young man (22) who just has
finished his pilot education and now he is looking everywhere for a
job........... !!!!!
CTC Aviation is offering some kind of "job" and therefore........
Please contact me directly on lgds@post6.tele.dk and again - I know the
Forum is not for this kind of threads but we are almost taking
emergency..
Wish you all a Happy Easter.
Regards Gert
Gert Dalgaard Soerensen
Stabelvej 9, Haarby
DK 8660 Skanderborg
Denmark
Europa builder No. 151
Europa Classic / Rotax 914
AC reg.: OY-GDS
Phone.: +45 8695 0595
E mail: lgds@post6.tele.dk
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/oygds.jpeg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
When I received my Kit A258, Europa threw in a speed kit for the long
wait. I'm just now looking at how to install these. I can't seam to
find any info on proper installation of the leg fairing. Has anyone
used these? It would seem the fairing has been cut in half span wise at
the front and these should be somehow re-attached. Also anyone who has
created the fairing around where the fuselage touches the legs. I would
love to hear your process. I've heard of some using molding clay then
laying up bid around that. Is that right?
I have used nut plates to hold the fairing on the flap hinges but how
has anyone connected the flap hinge covers under the fuselage?
Thanks for any help in advance!
Best Regards,
Jeff A258
Final priming this weekend if it doesn't rain.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Jeff Hi!
> When I received my Kit A258, Europa threw in a speed kit for the long
> wait. I'm just now looking at how to install these. I can't seam to
> find any info on proper installation of the leg fairing. Has anyone
> used these?
Yes but firstly. Fitting the Speed Kit is a pain in the a**e!
> It would seem the fairing has been cut in half span wise at
> the front and these should be somehow re-attached.
I took each fairing including Nose wheel and laid up two layers of Bid
inside. Use Duct Tape to carefully join the two halves based on fit at front
of fairing. Open the now 'hinged' fairing carefully and sand or rough up the
inside surface. Lay up bid on Plastic about 1.5" wide into inside of opened
fairing and then gently close binding the assemble with bits of Duct tape
and leave until set. Remove the tape and you'll find enough flexibility to
open fairing and slide onto leg. The rear or trailing edge of fairing can
often stay close with spring action but it might be worth fixing with a
sealant or two screws or Nut and bolt cleverly incorporated.
You need to put a bit more thought into Nose leg lay up to ensure it CAN be
fitted. Mine is fine and very secure.
> Also anyone who has
> created the fairing around where the fuselage touches the legs. I would
> love to hear your process. I've heard of some using molding clay then
> laying up bid around that. Is that right?
Yes. I used a similar process. I fitted the now springy fairings and spread
release agent and plastic around all vulnerable area. MAKE SURE you look at
fairing position. They are tapered and will get jammed if you lay up and
bond to fuselage. Make a pleasing shape and create artistically. I bonded
mine to Fuselage and that holds the fairing at top end and very well.
> I have used nut plates to hold the fairing on the flap hinges but how
> has anyone connected the flap hinge covers under the fuselage?
> Thanks for any help in advance!
Used Silicon Goo! Make sure you drill good size drain holes at lowest point
of fairing. 1/8" at least. Dirt and water does collect if smaller holes as
they block easy.
Hope that helps.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder.
PSS AoA Fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
Mobile: +44 7808 402404
WebFax: +44 870 7059985
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Jeff,
On the factory website: http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ select tecnical and locate the mod: 55 for the mono and 56 for the trigear. Click it and you will get a pdf file with the details. My legs do not touch the fuselage, so i guess you have a trigear. The file is attached on the forum or under the link on the list, in case it does not work for you.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor.
I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by
cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on the
matter in the forum archives.
Any suggestions?
The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Duncan
I have a similar problem with the trim motor except it will always go
nose up but won't always return. Had the motor back to the USA
....nothing wrong. Put it in the garage to attack the relay deck but on
the strip down thought I'd found a broken wire problem worked perfectly
so abandoned the relay idea. Flew to North Weald same problem, just
would not return tried hundreds of times through my stick switch and
duplicated panel switch. Just got it in the garage ready to look for
more wires parted at the crimps ..... works perfectly ... no fault to be
found.
I'd still look for wiring fault in the flap motor case, they are used so
little I can't believe it's the brushes yet. Have you checked there
isn't a wire broken down the insulation? One of mine was. I even
discovered a new fuse with no continuity between the caps took a week
and umpteen messages to USA about wiring circuit for a fuel quantity
gauge.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor.
I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by
cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on
the
matter in the forum archives.
Any suggestions?
The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | RE: Electric Flap Operation |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Bob,
From your description of the problem i think it could be caused by a faulty end
swich in the trim motor. No idea if it is posible to repair that yourself though,
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Thanks, Jerry & Josh
I was thinking of this myself but it's good to know you have had
success on the leg fairings.
Best Regards,
Jeff
> I took each fairing including Nose wheel and laid up two layers of Bid
> inside. Use Duct Tape to carefully join the two halves based on fit at
> front
> of fairing. Open the now 'hinged' fairing carefully and sand or rough
> up the
> inside surface. Lay up bid on Plastic about 1.5" wide into inside of
> opened
> fairing and then gently close binding the assemble with bits of Duct
> tape
> and leave until set. Remove the tape and you'll find enough
> flexibility to
> open fairing and slide onto leg. The rear or trailing edge of fairing
> can
> often stay close with spring action but it might be worth fixing with a
> sealant or two screws or Nut and bolt cleverly incorporated.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
There are no end-switches in the motor. It works by a different system; in
effect, the leadnut comes off the end of the leadscrew (but not literally ).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> From your description of the problem i think it could be caused by a
faulty end swich in the trim motor. No idea if it is posible to repair that
yourself though,
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
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> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>>>off the end of the leadscrew <<<
Not on the one I have. The motor stops drawing current when it get to the
end of travel. I tested it.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Duncan
The way mine is wired that problem could only be caused by the DPDT switch
or the Motor assembly. If you wired it as the wiring diagram, I would set
up a test with a 12 volt light and a meter on the two wires leaving the
DPDT switch. Voltage good will light the 12 volt light, flip the switch and
reverse the polarity and light the light again.
If it is the motor will you please post that information here when you find
the trouble. I would sure like to know if there is a problem waiting for me
too.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Duncan
> I have a similar problem with the trim motor except it will always go
> nose up but won't always return. Had the motor back to the USA
> ....nothing wrong. Put it in the garage to attack the relay deck but on
> the strip down thought I'd found a broken wire problem worked perfectly
> so abandoned the relay idea. Flew to North Weald same problem, just
> would not return tried hundreds of times through my stick switch and
> duplicated panel switch. Just got it in the garage ready to look for
> more wires parted at the crimps ..... works perfectly ... no fault to be
> found.
> I'd still look for wiring fault in the flap motor case, they are used so
> little I can't believe it's the brushes yet. Have you checked there
> isn't a wire broken down the insulation? One of mine was. I even
> discovered a new fuse with no continuity between the caps took a week
> and umpteen messages to USA about wiring circuit for a fuel quantity
> gauge.
> Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor.
> I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by
> cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on
> the
> matter in the forum archives.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
>
>
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