---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/19/05: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Re: Re:Wing Rigging (John Cliff) 2. 09:17 AM - CTC Aviation ?? (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com) 3. 10:11 AM - Speed Kit (JEFF ROBERTS) 4. 10:55 AM - Re: Speed Kit (Gerry Holland) 5. 11:07 AM - Re: Speed Kit (josok) 6. 11:30 AM - Electric Flap Operation (Duncan McFadyean) 7. 12:15 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (R.C.Harrison) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (josok) 9. 12:40 PM - Re: Speed Kit (JEFF ROBERTS) 10. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (Duncan McFadyean) 11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (Cliff Shaw) 12. 02:31 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (Cliff Shaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:32 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Re:Europa-List: Wing Rigging --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > The simplest way to do it is to use a 1/4 inch clear flextube with water > and a drop > of detergent and set up reliable reference points on leading and trailing > edges. And a small amount of dark-coloured food colourant added to the water makes it easier, too. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:45 AM PST US From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: CTC Aviation ?? --> Europa-List message posted by: This is not about Europa and therefore it is properly against the rules - you can beat me up another day... My q is if anybody has any personal experience with a UK based company called CTC Aviation?? Reason: in my family we have got a young man (22) who just has finished his pilot education and now he is looking everywhere for a job........... !!!!! CTC Aviation is offering some kind of "job" and therefore........ Please contact me directly on lgds@post6.tele.dk and again - I know the Forum is not for this kind of threads but we are almost taking emergency.. Wish you all a Happy Easter. Regards Gert Gert Dalgaard Soerensen Stabelvej 9, Haarby DK 8660 Skanderborg Denmark Europa builder No. 151 Europa Classic / Rotax 914 AC reg.: OY-GDS Phone.: +45 8695 0595 E mail: lgds@post6.tele.dk http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/oygds.jpeg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:20 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Speed Kit --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS When I received my Kit A258, Europa threw in a speed kit for the long wait. I'm just now looking at how to install these. I can't seam to find any info on proper installation of the leg fairing. Has anyone used these? It would seem the fairing has been cut in half span wise at the front and these should be somehow re-attached. Also anyone who has created the fairing around where the fuselage touches the legs. I would love to hear your process. I've heard of some using molding clay then laying up bid around that. Is that right? I have used nut plates to hold the fairing on the flap hinges but how has anyone connected the flap hinge covers under the fuselage? Thanks for any help in advance! Best Regards, Jeff A258 Final priming this weekend if it doesn't rain. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed Kit From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Jeff Hi! > When I received my Kit A258, Europa threw in a speed kit for the long > wait. I'm just now looking at how to install these. I can't seam to > find any info on proper installation of the leg fairing. Has anyone > used these? Yes but firstly. Fitting the Speed Kit is a pain in the a**e! > It would seem the fairing has been cut in half span wise at > the front and these should be somehow re-attached. I took each fairing including Nose wheel and laid up two layers of Bid inside. Use Duct Tape to carefully join the two halves based on fit at front of fairing. Open the now 'hinged' fairing carefully and sand or rough up the inside surface. Lay up bid on Plastic about 1.5" wide into inside of opened fairing and then gently close binding the assemble with bits of Duct tape and leave until set. Remove the tape and you'll find enough flexibility to open fairing and slide onto leg. The rear or trailing edge of fairing can often stay close with spring action but it might be worth fixing with a sealant or two screws or Nut and bolt cleverly incorporated. You need to put a bit more thought into Nose leg lay up to ensure it CAN be fitted. Mine is fine and very secure. > Also anyone who has > created the fairing around where the fuselage touches the legs. I would > love to hear your process. I've heard of some using molding clay then > laying up bid around that. Is that right? Yes. I used a similar process. I fitted the now springy fairings and spread release agent and plastic around all vulnerable area. MAKE SURE you look at fairing position. They are tapered and will get jammed if you lay up and bond to fuselage. Make a pleasing shape and create artistically. I bonded mine to Fuselage and that holds the fairing at top end and very well. > I have used nut plates to hold the fairing on the flap hinges but how > has anyone connected the flap hinge covers under the fuselage? > Thanks for any help in advance! Used Silicon Goo! Make sure you drill good size drain holes at lowest point of fairing. 1/8" at least. Dirt and water does collect if smaller holes as they block easy. Hope that helps. Kind Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Speed Kit From: "josok" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" Hi Jeff, On the factory website: http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ select tecnical and locate the mod: 55 for the mono and 56 for the trigear. Click it and you will get a pdf file with the details. My legs do not touch the fuselage, so i guess you have a trigear. The file is attached on the forum or under the link on the list, in case it does not work for you. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=5313#5313 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:03 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor. I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on the matter in the forum archives. Any suggestions? The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring. Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:54 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Duncan I have a similar problem with the trim motor except it will always go nose up but won't always return. Had the motor back to the USA ....nothing wrong. Put it in the garage to attack the relay deck but on the strip down thought I'd found a broken wire problem worked perfectly so abandoned the relay idea. Flew to North Weald same problem, just would not return tried hundreds of times through my stick switch and duplicated panel switch. Just got it in the garage ready to look for more wires parted at the crimps ..... works perfectly ... no fault to be found. I'd still look for wiring fault in the flap motor case, they are used so little I can't believe it's the brushes yet. Have you checked there isn't a wire broken down the insulation? One of mine was. I even discovered a new fuse with no continuity between the caps took a week and umpteen messages to USA about wiring circuit for a fuel quantity gauge. Regards Bob H G-PTAG do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor. I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on the matter in the forum archives. Any suggestions? The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring. Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:30 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation From: "josok" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" Hi Bob, From your description of the problem i think it could be caused by a faulty end swich in the trim motor. No idea if it is posible to repair that yourself though, Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:05 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed Kit --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Thanks, Jerry & Josh I was thinking of this myself but it's good to know you have had success on the leg fairings. Best Regards, Jeff > I took each fairing including Nose wheel and laid up two layers of Bid > inside. Use Duct Tape to carefully join the two halves based on fit at > front > of fairing. Open the now 'hinged' fairing carefully and sand or rough > up the > inside surface. Lay up bid on Plastic about 1.5" wide into inside of > opened > fairing and then gently close binding the assemble with bits of Duct > tape > and leave until set. Remove the tape and you'll find enough > flexibility to > open fairing and slide onto leg. The rear or trailing edge of fairing > can > often stay close with spring action but it might be worth fixing with a > sealant or two screws or Nut and bolt cleverly incorporated. > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:07 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" There are no end-switches in the motor. It works by a different system; in effect, the leadnut comes off the end of the leadscrew (but not literally ). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" Subject: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation > --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" > > Hi Bob, > > From your description of the problem i think it could be caused by a faulty end swich in the trim motor. No idea if it is posible to repair that yourself though, > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:48 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" >>>off the end of the leadscrew <<< Not on the one I have. The motor stops drawing current when it get to the end of travel. I tested it. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:05 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Duncan The way mine is wired that problem could only be caused by the DPDT switch or the Motor assembly. If you wired it as the wiring diagram, I would set up a test with a 12 volt light and a meter on the two wires leaving the DPDT switch. Voltage good will light the 12 volt light, flip the switch and reverse the polarity and light the light again. If it is the motor will you please post that information here when you find the trouble. I would sure like to know if there is a problem waiting for me too. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > Hi! Duncan > I have a similar problem with the trim motor except it will always go > nose up but won't always return. Had the motor back to the USA > ....nothing wrong. Put it in the garage to attack the relay deck but on > the strip down thought I'd found a broken wire problem worked perfectly > so abandoned the relay idea. Flew to North Weald same problem, just > would not return tried hundreds of times through my stick switch and > duplicated panel switch. Just got it in the garage ready to look for > more wires parted at the crimps ..... works perfectly ... no fault to be > found. > I'd still look for wiring fault in the flap motor case, they are used so > little I can't believe it's the brushes yet. Have you checked there > isn't a wire broken down the insulation? One of mine was. I even > discovered a new fuse with no continuity between the caps took a week > and umpteen messages to USA about wiring circuit for a fuel quantity > gauge. > Regards > Bob H G-PTAG > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan > McFadyean > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > > I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor. > I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by > cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on > the > matter in the forum archives. > > Any suggestions? > > The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring. > > Duncan McF. > > >