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1. 12:33 AM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (Geoff Leedham)
2. 01:18 AM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (Duncan McFadyean)
3. 05:00 AM - Information from our non-UK friends needed to assist us with political lobbying in the UK (Jeremy Davey)
4. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Operation (R.C.Harrison)
5. 02:55 PM - Re: Electric Flap Operation (josok)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Geoff Leedham" <sideslip@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Duncan,
I had a similar problem a while ago (intermittent) At first I thought it was
the switch.In the end it was the brushes as you thought. It is quite easy
to dissassemble the motor and clean the relevant parts. Problem cured.
Regards
Geoff Leedham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Operation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
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> I have a problem with intermittent working of the electric flap motor.
> I seem to remember someone saying a while back that this can be cured by
> cleaning the brushes on the flap motor. But can't find any postings on the
> matter in the forum archives.
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> Any suggestions?
>
> The problem doesn't appear to be in the switch, breaker or wiring.
>
> Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
OK. That means you have the later type of servo (=cheaper). The earlier
types were as used in the RVs and Mk5+ Kitfoxes. Couldn't find any report of
a problem on the RV forum archives either; probably didn't look hard enough.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
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> >>>off the end of the leadscrew <<<
>
> Not on the one I have. The motor stops drawing current when it get to the
> end of travel. I tested it.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Information from our non-UK friends needed to assist us with |
political lobbying in the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi, Europaphiles,
The PFA (the UK equivalent of the EAA) are engaged in a considerable amount
of political lobbying at present, and our man leading this (Roger Hopkinson)
needs some information from our overseas friends in a hurry. Can you help?
We need to make a comparison of the cost of flying for an "average GA
individual" and importantly how this compares with other countries. To do
his we want to take a lower end CofA aircraft, say a PA28, Robin DR400 or
Cessna 172 and typically look at the operating costs as well as the cost of
getting and retaining the PPL itself. Please note that we=92re not comparing
Experimental with Permit, for example, as the regulations for those aircraft
vary much more from country to country than the Certificate of Airworthiness
ships.
It would be helpful if someone could volunteer to put the typical cost for
their country together for the following:-
1 Cost of getting and retaining a basic PPL comprising:
A) Typical cost to get licence
B) Annual cost to retain licence
2 Annual cost to own an aircraft comprising (for typical 4 seat non complex
CAA aircraft)
A) Typical maintenance
B) Insurance
C) Hangarage (lets assume it is hangared at a "low end" licensed aerodrome)
3) Operating costs
A) Cost of fuel per litre
B) Typical landing charges - licensed airfield
C) Typical Parking charge (one night)
D) average operating cost for 40 hours per year to include (A, B & C above)
E) for IFR community, typical Nav and IFR charges for 500 mile journey
4) Brief notes on anything related to above which is country specific.
I know we could argue the definitions for ever, what we need is typical
mid-range figures.
If you can help, please email Roger on roger@hopkinson.org.uk - he needs to
put together an outline package of information early next week!
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
=93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | RE: Electric Flap Operation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jos.
Last year I returned the trim motor to The Allen Company and they could
find nothing wrong, in spite of them having suspected the end switch
problem. It was after that that I found a broken wire. But the problem
is back again.
Regards and thanks for your comment.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Electric Flap Operation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Bob,
From your description of the problem i think it could be caused by a
faulty end swich in the trim motor. No idea if it is posible to repair
that yourself though,
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Bob,
Intermittend faults are the most difficult ones to diagnose. In your case i would
follow Cliffs advice and hang a lamp on the wires to the motor. The, if the
lamps lights and the motor does not run, you know you have to send the motor
off to the makers again. I would love to help you, but can't really ask you to
fly up here with the condition you have. It could be a bit of a drag :-)
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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