---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/23/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: Radio Question (R.C.Harrison) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Radio Question (Troy Maynor) 3. 06:29 AM - 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 4. 06:38 AM - Re: Fuel vent position (Fred Fillinger) 5. 06:41 AM - Re: Fuel vent position (Fred Fillinger) 6. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Over Voltage (Troy Maynor) 7. 09:17 AM - Re: Over Voltage (Jan de Jong) 8. 11:06 AM - Redundant fuel vent lines (Erich Trombley) 9. 11:10 AM - Re: Radio Question (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 10. 01:55 PM - Re: 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? (Rowland Carson) 11. 02:01 PM - Re: Radio Question (Paul Stewart) 12. 02:50 PM - Re: 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? (SteveD) 13. 02:58 PM - Re: Radio Question (Kingsley Hurst) 14. 03:23 PM - Re: Radio Question (Simon Smith) 15. 03:45 PM - Re: Radio Question (Duncan McFadyean) 16. 03:52 PM - Re: Radio Question (Paul McAllister) 17. 04:10 PM - Re: Fuel vent position (Cliff Shaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:33 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Martin. I have an Icom IA 200 and for some reason (can't remember what now) I had a Sigtronic SPA 400 T50 voice activated Intercom fitted. This part of the system works fine, however the Icom unit gives me great frustration in that the Automatic Squelch takes out the incoming signal with all unwanted noise. The only way I can communicate with ground when at medium and long distances is to use the Test Button which completely dumps the squelch control. I have had numerous attempts and specialists attempts to improve it, I have been advised to try 1/4 turn clockwise of the Auto Squelch adjust screw, there is a very slight improvement, but generally it isn't fit for purpose. UK Authorities will not accept new installations with it. The radio was set to a WSWR meter by a professional to the dipole aerial of Bob Archers notability complete with the requisite ferrite balons etc. and also a pucker Air World aerial has been fitted with an adequate ground plane with little or no improvement. There is an Aluminium shield between the Panel and the firewall, the carb /throttle cable has been grounded as also the complete radio stack, the engine compartment painted out with nickel alloy paint all to no improvement. The set has been checked by authorised repairers with an oscillograph to no fault found and decreed that all parameters are within permissible settings. We are trialling a Microair XCOM 760 this season. If you find a solution to the Icom problem I'm dying to hear it. BTW have you used the ICOM in Flight yet ? (sorry I meant ANGER!) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I have successfully wired up my Icom A-200 comm and Flightcom 403MC intercom. It all seems to work except I can't hear myself through the earphones when I transmit. I spoke to Icom tech support and they said to turn up the sidetone adjustment on the A-200 which I found already turned as far clockwise as it would go. But still no joy. Anybody have any similar experiences? Suggestions? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas = = ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:44 AM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" Martin, I'd call Flightcom. I have a Sigtronics, (still not ready to fire up) and there is a modification neccessary if connected to certain brand tranceivers. It involved intalling a jumper on a pc board to acquire sidetone. Don't know about Flightcom. Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I have successfully wired up my Icom A-200 comm and Flightcom 403MC intercom. It all seems to work except I can't hear myself through the earphones when I transmit. I spoke to Icom tech support and they said to turn up the sidetone adjustment on the A-200 which I found already turned as far clockwise as it would go. But still no joy. Anybody have any similar experiences? Suggestions? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:17 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Gaggle While pirouetting through chapter 22 I noticed that I was given two different sizes of the AN210-2a rudder cable pulleys. Curiously, even though they are different sizes they both have they same part number on the parts bag! Though I have not measured I would say that one set is at very least a half inch smaller than the other. The manual does not mention the different sizes. My guess is that the smaller size may be needed for fuel line clearance????? Thanks in advance for your advice and opinion! Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:02 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel vent position --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > ... > How about some of you sending a few pictures to the > Europa Owners site? > ... > Thanks! > Brian Skelly Not much to photograph, but for similar aesthetic reasons my primary vent is a hole in the vertical fin leading edge, which is a short pitot tube inside, with water trap using 1/4" nylon hardware. I hope there's no airworthiness issue this way, other than no good for IFR in icing conditions. Good thing she's a homebuilt, as FAA otherwise still requires icing tests even if not certificated for "known ice!" But it also makes it less important that my 2nd vent line (through the fuel sender mounting plate) terminates in a flush vent on the bottom of the aircraft, near the wing root. The 2nd vent in this location could reduce what little positive pressure there is at the main vent at low airspeeds during the critical phases of flight. To be tested soon, though. Some production A/C with low wings have an arrangement which puts positive pressure in the vent, even though a pump is still needed to suck the fuel. Guess they do so for good reason, though FAA rules silent there. Head pressure if fuel is low ain't much at all, and perhaps this is to not aggravate a condition where the pump isn't sucking too well (e.g., vapor lock). PA-28 type airplanes get away with some negative pressure in their vented cap setup though. > While I am a number of chapters away from venting the tank and sight tube... If pressure in both tubes in the slipstream is not identical, said sight gauge will be more useless in flight yet. I have a sight gauge also, but it's for visual check of quantity on the ground. In the corner behind passenger side seat upholstery; un-Velcro the seat back to tilt forward and peek. It vents back into top of tank. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:10 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel vent position --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" R.C.Harrison wrote: > ...necessary to have an anti-siphon bottle which empties back > to tank.... My bottle is a castrol 1/2 litre oil bottle glassed into > place with the neck lower looking back to the starboard side. I have a knee-jerk problem with design fixes seen on no production A/C as far as I know. Could not the problem be fixed with a modification to the aluminum vent fitting? Like adding a metal tube to extend the tank's vent arrangement all the way to the front corner of the tank? Has anyone test that? Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:01 AM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Over Voltage --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" Hi All, Thanks to each and everyone that responded to my query on this. I think I will not worry about it since I have a monitoring system. Anyone interested in the parts from Aeroelectric? I'll pay the shipping. Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:25 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: Re: Over Voltage --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong > > >Bob Nuckolls thinks OV protection is necessary. In the absence of >evidence to the contrary I will go with that (probably using Eric Jones' >device). >The alternative is a "loud" OV warning and quick human action. > Bob Nuckolls is conducting interesting experiments: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Crowbar_OV_Protection/DC_Power_System_Dynamics_C.pdf It would seem that a "loud" OV warning is enough protection provided the battery is in reasonable shape. Jan de Jong ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:09 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Redundant fuel vent lines --> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" Fred wrote "For production aircraft, FAA requires two vents if you have one tank. Another rule says a sole, exposed vent on the bottom of the aircraft can be clogged by mud or snow." I am using one vent which exits the fuselage just in front of the flap pivot bracket. However, I have plumbed into the vent line with a "tee" (inside the fuselage) and a check valve. As we all know when the vent line gets clogged with mud/crud the engine will eventually get starved of fuel due to a vacuum in the tank. However, with the check valve inline with the fuel vent it will open under a vacuum and provide cabin pressure to the tank thus keeping the engine running. I don't have the specifics of the check valve on hand although I did purchase it through McMaster Carr. The check valve is for vapor not liquids and needs to be capable of withstanding fuel. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:04 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Bob, It seems the Xcom 760 has been around for a couple of years now. I remember some people on this forum installed these in their aircraft. It would be nice to get some actual feedback of real life use of this unit. Anybody got any? Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:38 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-03-23 09:27 -0500 EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: >While pirouetting through chapter 22 I noticed that I was given two different >sizes of the AN210-2a rudder cable pulleys. Curiously, even though they are >different sizes they both have they same part number on the parts bag! Though >I have not measured I would say that one set is at very least a half inch >smaller than the other Brian - my (monowheel) parts schedule only calls out 2-off AN210-2A, and my parts box has 2 identical ones, inside a single Europa bag. They are both about 63mm max dia. Sorry, but it sounds like you have a rogue there somehow! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 | 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:06 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Bob Do you mean the Microair M760 or the XCOM 760? My understanding is that the latter has been available for under a year and that it is not approved by the CAA for installation in UK aircraft (sad 'cos we liked the look of it). On the same topic - has anyone any experience of the Microair M760 transiever with the XCOM intercom? Regards Paul Strewart #432 Sanding, sanding , sanding, sand.............. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:28 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: 2 Different Sizes of Rudder Cable Pulleys????? From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" Hi Brian, I've got an extra, PM me your address and I'll pop it in the mail.... Steved. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:34 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" >On the same topic - has anyone any experience of the Microair M760 transiever with the XCOM intercom? Paul, I have a friend with a Jabiru with the Microair M760 - XCOM Intercom combination and he reports it works very satisfactorily. Regards Kingsley Hurst Mono Classic 281 in Oz If only I could get to work on the aircraft for as long as interruptions prevent me from doing so !! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:37 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" I've seen an Xcom in a UK reg'd Europa. I believe that it has been approved in Finland and is thus EASA'd which overrules the CAA????? Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart --> Bob Do you mean the Microair M760 or the XCOM 760? My understanding is that the latter has been available for under a year and that it is not approved by the CAA for installation in UK aircraft (sad 'cos we liked the look of it). On the same topic - has anyone any experience of the Microair M760 transiever with the XCOM intercom? Regards Paul Strewart #432 Sanding, sanding , sanding, sand.............. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:06 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" The Equipment Approvals section of the CAA website now says: ........Since EASA became operational on 28 September 2003, the aircraft equipment approval process has changed. For further information, please contact 01293 573134 or e-mail mailto:aircraft.systems@srg.caa.co.uk There is still a list of approved equipment however, implying that anything that is not on it is not CAA approved. Which means.........?? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio Question > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" > > I've seen an Xcom in a UK reg'd Europa. > > I believe that it has been approved in Finland and is thus EASA'd which > overrules the CAA????? > > Simon > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > --> > > Bob > > Do you mean the Microair M760 or the XCOM 760? My understanding is that > the latter has been available for under a year and that it is not > approved by the CAA for installation in UK aircraft (sad 'cos we liked > the look of it). > > On the same topic - has anyone any experience of the Microair M760 > transiever with the XCOM intercom? > > Regards > > Paul Strewart #432 > > Sanding, sanding , sanding, sand.............. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:01 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" I have an XCOM and it works very nicely. - Paul >On the same topic - has anyone any experience of the Microair M760 >transiever with the XCOM intercom? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:00 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel vent position --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > How about some of you sending a few pictures to the Europa Owners site? Look in my pictures for #278 . (not much to look at) It is on the centerline under the baggage bay. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE