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1. 12:39 AM - Re: New supplier to me, any references? (steve v.)
2. 01:58 AM - Re: Kemble- UK Crash (Jeremy Davey)
3. 01:59 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (NevEyre@aol.com)
4. 02:35 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (Jeremy Davey)
5. 02:48 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (Rowland Carson)
6. 03:29 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (MICHAEL PARKIN)
7. 03:56 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (Jeremy Davey)
8. 05:58 AM - Kemble- UK Crash (Alan Stewart)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (Paul McAllister)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? (Jeremy Davey)
11. 12:11 PM - Re: Kemble- UK Crash (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | RE: New supplier to me, any references? |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hello MGrass, thanks for that extra info on the FF-2 ,but i have already bought
the FF 1 & sender some months back , it is know fitted to my instrument panel,
steve # 573
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| Subject: | Kemble- UK Crash |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Gerry,
Although no official details are available yet, it is believed to have been
a 2-seat homebuilt - I must emphasise that this is not yet confirmed. My
sympathies go out to the families of those concerned (2 fatalities have been
confirmed).
The PFA are aware. And I spoke to Tim Houlihan last night - his Europa is
based there. Our modern-day version of the famous 'medium-seized RAF
officer' is OK - he hasnt been to Kemble for a while.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Europa-List: Kemble- UK Crash
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Anyone have any details on what Aircraft crashed at Kemble yesterday.
The news caught my attention with a few Europa=B9s operating from there.
Very sad occurrence
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jez,,
That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
He built it under the supervision of Flightcrafters [ Bob and Russell] and
Andy Draper and myself signed off his ''log book'' [ not the P.F.A. blue book]
at the various inspection stages.
It was allways his intention to bring it over here, so he tried to play it
''by the rules''.
He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number, they have been very
helpfull [ for a change ?]
It had 40 odd hours on it when it was shipped over, I did the ''final
inspection'', and effectively an annual inspection on it, very nicely put together
and maintained..........
The paperwork seems to have ground to a halt at a place very close to
Silverstone.........................
Cheers,
Nev.
P.S. It is a trigear / 914.
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| Subject: | N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Thanks, Nev! In defence of Turweston, they're prioritising work that keeps
planes in the air or gets them there in the first place - so I suspect
that's the reason things aren't moving quickly: he's already in the air!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jez,,
That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
He built it under the supervision of Flightcrafters [ Bob and Russell] and
Andy Draper and myself signed off his ''log book'' [ not the P.F.A. blue
book]
at the various inspection stages.
It was allways his intention to bring it over here, so he tried to play it
''by the rules''.
He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number, they have been
very
helpfull [ for a change ?]
It had 40 odd hours on it when it was shipped over, I did the ''final
inspection'', and effectively an annual inspection on it, very nicely put
together
and maintained..........
The paperwork seems to have ground to a halt at a place very close to
Silverstone.........................
Cheers,
Nev.
P.S. It is a trigear / 914.
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| Subject: | Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-03-26 04:58 -0500 NevEyre@aol.com wrote:
>That would be Norbert Schmit
Neville - no, it was not Norbert's aircraft; that has now been
registered in UK.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Jeremy,
Is there a faint hint of 'Poacher turned Gamekeeper' here.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Thanks, Nev! In defence of Turweston, they're prioritising work that keeps
> planes in the air or gets them there in the first place - so I suspect
> that's the reason things aren't moving quickly: he's already in the air!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1320 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> NevEyre@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Jez,,
> That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
> He built it under the supervision of Flightcrafters [ Bob and Russell]
> and
> Andy Draper and myself signed off his ''log book'' [ not the P.F.A. blue
> book]
> at the various inspection stages.
> It was allways his intention to bring it over here, so he tried to play it
> ''by the rules''.
> He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
> to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number, they have been
> very
> helpfull [ for a change ?]
> It had 40 odd hours on it when it was shipped over, I did the ''final
> inspection'', and effectively an annual inspection on it, very nicely put
> together
> and maintained..........
> The paperwork seems to have ground to a halt at a place very close to
> Silverstone.........................
> Cheers,
> Nev.
> P.S. It is a trigear / 914.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Mike,
I just knew someone would accuse me of 'going native' when I sent that! No
way, my friend!! The pressure is still on Engineering to deliver - and in
fairness to them, they are currently doing just that: the mod backlog is
right down, Permit issues are turning round very quickly, etc. Most
importantly, work is being prioritised according to need - and I encourage
anyone held up by Engineering, or likely to be very shortly, to keep
reminding them of that.
In my own case, I'm waiting on Francis for his comments on some details of
my autopilot mod - until I have them, I can't finalise it, which means I
can't fit it, which means I cant put the lid on G-EZZA. And I've only the
rudder pedals chapter to do before the lid goes on. So I'm approaching
another stop-work (my workshop is tiny, so rejigging it to do the wings
instead of the fuse is non-trivial). Francis is aware, and I've been
promised a response as soon as possible. The delaying factor to that is the
current airworthiness issues with the Shadow - and which comes first, 150
flying Shadows or 1 Europa under construction?
Finally, as Rowland added, Norbert is now on a G-plate...
But, if anyone out there thinks things are not working as above - PLEASE
TELL ME!!! :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL PARKIN
Subject: Re: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Jeremy,
Is there a faint hint of 'Poacher turned Gamekeeper' here.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Thanks, Nev! In defence of Turweston, they're prioritising work that keeps
> planes in the air or gets them there in the first place - so I suspect
> that's the reason things aren't moving quickly: he's already in the air!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1320 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> NevEyre@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Jez,,
> That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
> He built it under the supervision of Flightcrafters [ Bob and Russell]
> and
> Andy Draper and myself signed off his ''log book'' [ not the P.F.A. blue
> book]
> at the various inspection stages.
> It was allways his intention to bring it over here, so he tried to play it
> ''by the rules''.
> He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
> to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number, they have been
> very
> helpfull [ for a change ?]
> It had 40 odd hours on it when it was shipped over, I did the ''final
> inspection'', and effectively an annual inspection on it, very nicely put
> together
> and maintained..........
> The paperwork seems to have ground to a halt at a place very close to
> Silverstone.........................
> Cheers,
> Nev.
> P.S. It is a trigear / 914.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kemble- UK Crash |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
A recent article in the Scotsman appears to confirm that a Europa was
involved.
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4311765
Very sad.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I am just a bit curious here. If Norbert is a US citizen and his aircraft
is on the US register then why change to the UK register. Why does he even
need a waiver ?
Paul
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Jez,,
> That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
> He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
> to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number,
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| Subject: | N-reg Europa visiting the UK? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi, Paul,
Quite simply because the ICAO rules on flying a foreign-registered plane
only apply to Certified ships. N-reg Experimental ships are allowed here on
a case-by-case basis for short periods - usually as part of a transatlantic
trip, round-the-world trip or, as in Norbert's case, until its Permit is
granted.
Similarly, to fly a G-reg Permit ship in the US, we need a waiver from the
FAA.
An observation of interest: it is often much easier to convert a Permit to
an Experimental than vice-versa, as our rules are much, much stricter (as
I'm sure you know from your time on this list)! Indeed, PFA Engineering warn
folks off buying a foreign plane without working closely with them as it may
not even be possible to get it on a Permit.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: N-reg Europa visiting the UK?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I am just a bit curious here. If Norbert is a US citizen and his aircraft
is on the US register then why change to the UK register. Why does he even
need a waiver ?
Paul
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Jez,,
> That would be Norbert Schmit, a U.S citizen, now based at Nottingham.
> He is at the moment trying to get it on the U.K. register, he had a waiver
> to fly it from the CAA whilst it was on the ''N'' number,
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| Subject: | Re: Kemble- UK Crash |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To All,
I think that we would all be interested in why the post-crash fire. You
never know how hard they hit the ground. Our thoughts go out to the families.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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