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1. 02:39 AM - Before Installing Cockpit Module (Graham Singleton)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Sun' n Fun (Rob Huntington)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Sun' n Fun (Rob Huntington)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Sun' n Fun (Al Stills)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Fuel Line (Fred Fillinger)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Fuel Line (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Information from our non-UK friends needed to (William Daniell)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: Before Installing Cockpit Module (William Daniell)
9. 12:44 PM - Re: Sun' n Fun (Steve Hagar)
10. 03:12 PM - Re: Before Installing Cockpit Module (Tony Renshaw)
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Subject: | Before Installing Cockpit Module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I am getting close to installing my cockpit module and I was wondering if there
are recommended things to do beyond what the manual describes prior to
installation.
Thanks,
Dave Simenauer
Dave
design and fit the fuel system, best with metal pipes
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington <robertodue2002@yahoo.com>
We will be at Sun 'n Fun, albeit without any Europa's in tow--and would like to
meet with any interested Europaphiles. Also, while you are in Phoenix, you are
more than welcome to visit our Builders' Assistance facility, we currently are
working on some motorglider wings, and have a completed mono-wheel here for
sale.
Rob Huntington
Phoenix Composites
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington <robertodue2002@yahoo.com>
Further to my last message, my email address is rob@phoenixcomposites.com and our
phone number is 480-924-9750. Thanks for the recommendation Jim.
Rob Huntington
Phoenix Composites
Jim Puglise <jimpuglise@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise"
Rmi-
If you are going to Phoenix, you need to hook up with the people at
Phoenix Composites. They were doing something similar to Flite Crafters
in the Phoenix area. I don't know how many Europas they have done, but
I am sure they have a handle on who is doing what in that part of the
country.
Jim, A283, Punta Gorda, FL
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rmi Guerner
Subject: Europa-List: Sun' n Fun
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner"
Any Europa going to Sunn Fun ? I will be there on April 12 and 13 and
will be happy to meet with other Europa owners. I will spend the
following week-end (April 16-17 ) in Phoenix, AZ. I would appreciate to
talk Europa with those of you who are flying/building in the Phoenix
area. Please let me know if we can arrange a meeting .
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 300 hours, upgraded from a 914 to a 912S.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Remi,
I will not be at Sun N Fun but am currently building in Phoenix. Would be more
than happy
to meet up with you. Contact me off list is interested @ astills@cox.net
Al Stills
N625AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
> ...
> What material and temper wall thickness are you using.
> I really don't want to have to change the fuel lines
> every 5 years.
> it was said the crash requirements drove the rubber
> tube.
>
That would require an all-knowing assumption as to the most common
destruction mode of the structure in the event of a crash. Then test
it, both metal and rubber lines, in crashes. :-) Our gov't actually
does that for free, where auto mfrs supply vehicles to crash, and
"Detroit" at times gets it wrong.
Common practice if in doubt is a short flexible hose at the tank,
thence aluminum. Seems not much space at the tank outlet to provide
for "crashability" by design of the bend in a pipe and attention to
attach points. 2024 aluminum is common with fuel lines.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I used Fuel injection hose for my system with plastic spiral wrap to ward off
abrasion. I was told by many that if my decision was to use rubber that I
should not use the hose supplied by the kit manufacturer. In addition Fuel
Injection hose was recommended in it's place.
I grieved considerably about this very subject. In the end I went the easiest
way out. And yes, I expect to replace these hoses some time in the distant
future.
Good performance under a crash is most important. However, you will find on
this list some complaints about fuel smell in the cockpit. Some believe the
odor it is due to the rubber connection at the filler pipe. < There is a nice
aluminum connection modification for that issue which I will install.> Other
think the smell is from the original rubber hose supplied with the kit.
If you decide to use rubber, then buy fuel injection hose for the job.
If you are dead set NOT to use rubber, check out Bob Borgers installation of
the fuel lines on the WWW.Europaowners.org site. A nice set up of flexible
nylon lines.
As a side note: I did not care for the fuel valve supplied in the kit. I
installed an Andair fuel selection vale in it's place. It is a very nice piece
and IMHO much much better made than the O.E. part.
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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assist us with political lobbying in the UK
Subject: | Information from our non-UK friends needed to |
assist us with political lobbying in the UK
FILETIME=[DE5C3FB0:01C533B2]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
From Colombia as in South America not British Columbia
A) Typical cost to get licence USD15k including instruction and ac hire
B) Annual cost to retain licence USD1k
2 Annual cost to own an aircraft comprising (for typical 4 seat non complex
CAA aircraft) USD5k
A) Typical maintenance USD500
B) Insurance USD300yr(liability only - hull to expensive)
C) Hangarage (lets assume it is hangared at a "low end" licensed
aerodrome)USD150 mo
3) Operating costs
A) Cost of fuel per litre USD4 per USGal
B) Typical landing charges - licensed airfield NIL
C) Typical Parking charge (one night) NIL
D) average operating cost for 40 hours per year to include (A, B & C above)
err not been through this
E) for IFR community, typical Nav and IFR charges for 500 mile journey NIL
4) Brief notes on anything related to above which is country specific. Well
obviously we have a serious control issue here due to the narcotics problem
but apart from that the use of the aviation system is basically without cost
for sport ac.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: Europa-List: Information from our non-UK friends needed to assist
us with political lobbying in the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi, Europaphiles,
The PFA (the UK equivalent of the EAA) are engaged in a considerable amount
of political lobbying at present, and our man leading this (Roger Hopkinson)
needs some information from our overseas friends in a hurry. Can you help?
We need to make a comparison of the cost of flying for an "average GA
individual" and importantly how this compares with other countries. To do
his we want to take a lower end CofA aircraft, say a PA28, Robin DR400 or
Cessna 172 and typically look at the operating costs as well as the cost of
getting and retaining the PPL itself. Please note that we=92re not comparing
Experimental with Permit, for example, as the regulations for those aircraft
vary much more from country to country than the Certificate of Airworthiness
ships.
It would be helpful if someone could volunteer to put the typical cost for
their country together for the following:-
1 Cost of getting and retaining a basic PPL comprising:
A) Typical cost to get licence
B) Annual cost to retain licence
2 Annual cost to own an aircraft comprising (for typical 4 seat non complex
CAA aircraft)
A) Typical maintenance
B) Insurance
C) Hangarage (lets assume it is hangared at a "low end" licensed aerodrome)
3) Operating costs
A) Cost of fuel per litre
B) Typical landing charges - licensed airfield
C) Typical Parking charge (one night)
D) average operating cost for 40 hours per year to include (A, B & C above)
E) for IFR community, typical Nav and IFR charges for 500 mile journey
4) Brief notes on anything related to above which is country specific.
I know we could argue the definitions for ever, what we need is typical
mid-range figures.
If you can help, please email Roger on roger@hopkinson.org.uk - he needs to
put together an outline package of information early next week!
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
=93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1320 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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Subject: | Before Installing Cockpit Module |
FILETIME=[58A4D150:01C533B9]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Dave,
I screwed up and the result was a large number of bubbles which then had to
be filled and then subsequently the bonding had to be reinforced with tapes
all the way round.
1. It might seem like a pretty obvious thing to do but first make sure that
the cradle you constructed is the one recommended in the manual. This was
my big error - I built formers based on the cockpit module and these did not
allow for the boat shape.
2. pre-fit. Doing it again I think I would have used some larger bolts and
washers at the bottom corner of the firewall (where your front LG
frame/engine mount will go through the fw). Probably 1/4in wd do the trick.
Draw the cockpit module up to the firewall as stated in the manual and then
make sure everything else in the right place. I used a digital level to
ensure that the spar bushes and the two upper surface of the two foot wells
were level.
3. Make sure that you have the required number of people (at least 2)
4. Prepare your Redux in the right quantities - I do not think I used
enough - but the general consensus seems to be about one tin. (any
comments?)
5. Spread liberally on both surfaces. From this point on there are some
very good comments from others on the subject.
Good luck
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Simenauer
Subject: Europa-List: Before Installing Cockpit Module
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I am getting close to installing my cockpit module and I was wondering if
there are recommended things to do beyond what the manual describes prior to
installation.
Thanks,
Dave Simenauer
A101 Trigear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Remi:
I am building a monowheel just outside of Phoenix and down the road from
Phoenix Composites. I am in the home stretch, building the seats now. I'm
sorry to say I'll be hiking a canyon in Utah on the 16 th and 17 th of
April. Though I am scheduled to be back at the house on the evening of the
18th if you will still be around. If the hike wasn't planned I would
probably be down at Sun and Fun also.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
N40SH
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Rmi Guerner <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/27/2005 11:50:25 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Sun' n Fun
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
>
>
> Any Europa going to Sunn Fun ? I will be there on April 12 and 13 and
will be happy to meet with other Europa owners. I will spend the following
week-end (April 16-17 ) in Phoenix, AZ. I would appreciate to talk Europa
with those of you who are flying/building in the Phoenix area. Please let
me know if we can arrange a meeting .
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 300 hours, upgraded from a 914 to a 912S.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Before Installing Cockpit Module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Dave,
Look at my photos on Steve Dunsmuirs site. Also, whatever you do, I
recommend hardly any flox in your mix. Anything on the bottom of the boat
will not need much and you have big flange areas you need to bed down in
the stuff. I did it with one other person, not enough. You need at least 2
helpers I reckon, maybe 3 if you can. Be prepared to spatula it in under
the flanges, and don't listen to anyone who talks about the amount of redux
they use. Perfectionists who seem to "get it right first time every time".
If you are a mere mortal, ignore these people, use "plenty of redux", and
lose a kg, or go to the toilet before flying :-)
I can offer up a lot more but my photos are pretty thorough in this area I
think.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 12:19 AM 3/28/2005, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
>
>I am getting close to installing my cockpit module and I was wondering if
>there are recommended things to do beyond what the manual describes prior
>to installation.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Simenauer
>A101 Trigear
>
>
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