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Tue 04/05/05


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 08:00 AM - Aileron alignment ()
     2. 08:36 AM - Scary Tale (Erich Trombley)
     3. 09:26 AM - Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June (Jeremy Davey)
     4. 09:59 AM - Did you lock the door today ? (Sven den Boer)
     5. 10:25 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (JEFF ROBERTS)
     6. 10:36 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Gerry Holland)
     7. 12:21 PM - Re: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June (Duncan McFadyean)
     8. 12:43 PM - Re: Aileron alignment (Duncan McFadyean)
     9. 01:15 PM - Re: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June (Jeremy Davey)
    10. 01:37 PM - Fw: Re: Europa Club renewal (Rowland Carson)
    11. 01:37 PM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (N55XS)
    12. 02:24 PM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Sven den Boer)
    13. 04:11 PM - Re: AIRCRAFT CONTROL DURING TAKEOFF (Dale)
    14. 04:39 PM - Flap drive tube clearance to fuselage floor (Jeremy Davey)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:00:15 AM PST US
    From: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Aileron alignment
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> Having not had the pleasure (and headaches) of building G-MFHI, I obviously know a lot less than most of you guys on here about the way the rigging should be set up and wonder if someone can give me the answer to the following? When one aileron is set to neutral ie exactly in line with the bit that sticks out at the wing tip, the other aileron tip is about 15mm out of neutral. Is this normal (doesnt sound it to me). The aeroplane seems to fly fine a very slight tendency for it to want to turn right maybe but nothing dramatic. Any opinions gratefully received. Peter ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked by McAfee visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information


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    Time: 08:36:25 AM PST US
    From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
    Subject: Scary Tale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com> Bob wrote "I have to share this scary tale with you. It shows what can happen with just the tiniest absence of vigilance. Perhaps it will help you avoid the careless move I made recently. I've been flying for over fifty years with thousands of hours in the air and hundreds in various models of Europa, including a half dozen first flights. While preparing for a solo flight in a tri-gear on a gusty day, I taxied downwind for takeoff on runway 09 at Ramona (KRNM) in San Diego county, California. Winds were about 060/20 kts and with little rudder effectiveness I used the brakes for directional control. After pre takeoff checks (including control movement)I twisted my body around in the cockpit to check for landing traffic. As I did so, my right foot inadvertently came off the right rudder pedal and was then resting against the firewall bulkhead. The tower cleared me for takeoff and an immediate left turn after airborne. As I taxied into takeoff position, I applied what I thought was full right rudder. Not unexpected, considering the wind, right brake was needed to line up and also during steady power increase for takeoff. What was surprising was the rudder did not appear to become effective as I accelerated. Perhaps I was experiencing a directional wind shift or a strong gust. Lots of right brake was required, slowing my acceleration. Slowly approaching unstick speed and not feeling I had control on the ground, I went full throttle(Jabiru 3300 with climb prop) and rotated at minimum controllable airspeed to get into the air where I was sure I could control things. Wow, what a ride! The combination of not using any more right brake, the full power left turning tendency and the strong weather-cocking wind resulted in an exciting immediate heading change of about 45 degrees to port. On the flying edge, I got airborne and passed between the control tower and a hangar, picking up a few flowers on the way. I asked the tower if that left turn after takeoff was immediate enough and also just what are they reading for current wind. They replied it was about 060/20 kts and sensing something was wrong, did I want an immediate landing. I, of course, declined. I first needed to find out what was wrong with the rudder system. While climbing, the ball was just to the right and I was pressing hard on the "right rudder". I checked the left rudder and the ball went further right. In a flash I it all made sense--I had been pushing hard on the firewall beneath my right foot! LESSON LEARNED: Europa rudder pedals are of minimum size which allows us to extend our legs between the pedals for comfort while cruising--a desirable feature--but........ So how will I prevent this from happening again? Easy. When I'm all lined up ready to apply full takeoff power I will quickly pulse the rudder in both directions to ensure proper foot placement. You fly safely! Bob" I have heard of a similar story whereby the pilot's foot got wedged between the top of the foot-well and the rudder pedal thus limiting application of the rudder pedal. I have also heard of stories were one of the rudder return springs came off in flight. Armed with those stories I have from day one always pulsed the rudder pedals as you suggest prior to takeoff and also on final. With a mono-wheel you do not want to attempt a takeoff/landing without verifying you have directional control via the rudder. Thanks for sharing your story and glad it worked out to be a happy ending. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Mono-Classic 914 Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!


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    Time: 09:26:13 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> HI, Europa friends, Cliff and Betty Shaw of Wile E. Coyote/N229WC fame will be over in the UK in June and will be stopping with me for a few nights (at this stage 22nd and 23rd look likely). It would be really nice to have a US-UK Europa gathering, so we thought it would be a good idea if I hosted a =91Europa builders/fliers evening=92 then. Likely format is good conversation, a buffet and probably a few drinks for the non-drivers! I live in Steeple Aston, north Oxfordshire =96 between Oxford, Banbury and Bicester - close to M40 Jns 9 and 10. If you=92d like to meet Cliff and enjoy a chat about Europas, please let me know and I=92ll arrange details with you off-Forum. Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms


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    Time: 09:59:07 AM PST US
    From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
    Subject: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Saturday april 2nd, a nice day for a ride with beautiful weather. After take off, turning out of the circuit and towards the lake, having a passenger onboard, a ride over water is always a bit more smooth. After 15 minutes of flight a Whoosh sound was noted, I did not take long to realize that the pilot door had disappeared and had actually departed the aircraft. Was I glad being over water. The aircraft was undammaged and flying it was not different, except for a lot of noise due to the wind. After an uneventfull landing and a couple of days of thinking and investigating this mishap, it is most likely that the door did lock at the forward position, but the aft locking pin was outside the fuselage. Being a quite new Europa flyer I have been asking around and this seems to be a frequent observation. Now working on a solution, probabely a set of microswitches and a small light will do the trick, since it is almost impossible to verify by the eye. A thanks to Andy of Europa, who responded quickly and is trying to get the parts over even this week !! Cheers Sven den Boer A168 (Cabrio)


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    Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> Just curious Sven, When the door departed, where did the separation take place. Was it right at the hinge or did the bolts pull out of the holes. I have been working on painting my doors and have been considering a fix for this worry that a cozy builder used. He placed an inside secondary latch. I'm not sure if this is legal because it cant open from the outside, but it would solve any worries. Jeff A258 On Apr 5, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Sven den Boer wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> > > Saturday april 2nd, a nice day for a ride with beautiful weather. > After take off, turning out of the circuit and towards the lake, > having a > passenger onboard, a ride over water is always a bit more smooth. > After 15 minutes of flight a Whoosh sound was noted, I did not take > long to > realize that the pilot door had disappeared and had actually departed > the > aircraft. Was I glad being over water. > The aircraft was undammaged and flying it was not different, except > for a > lot of noise due to the wind. > After an uneventfull landing and a couple of days of thinking and > investigating this mishap, it is most likely that the door did lock at > the > forward position, but the aft locking pin was outside the fuselage. > Being a quite new Europa flyer I have been asking around and this > seems to > be a frequent observation. > Now working on a solution, probabely a set of microswitches and a small > light will do the trick, since it is almost impossible to verify by > the eye. > > A thanks to Andy of Europa, who responded quickly and is trying to get > the > parts over even this week !! > > Cheers > > Sven den Boer > A168 (Cabrio) > >


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    Time: 10:36:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> Sven Hi! Re. Your quick conversion Cabrio! Our Inspector here in the West Country (UK) is a really great old boy Aircraft Designer and Pilot. He suspected the aft Door bolt of the Europa and made Paddy Clarke and myself fit micro switches to indicate rear shoot bolt engaged. Very simple but effective solution with 'Door Open' sign in front panel. When he tested the Doors his point was that it is impossible to shut them and be sure both shoot bolts are engaged without real care and particularly once seated in Aircraft. We both also fitted rear internal Door pull handles. Hope you get back in air very soon. Kind Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com


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    Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> The 23rd is the day of the Day Trip to France, being organised by Dave B. Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Subject: Europa-List: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> > > HI, Europa friends, > > Cliff and Betty Shaw of Wile E. Coyote/N229WC fame will be over in the UK in > June and will be stopping with me for a few nights (at this stage 22nd and > 23rd look likely). It would be really nice to have a US-UK Europa gathering, > so we thought it would be a good idea if I hosted a =91Europa builders/fliers > evening=92 then. Likely format is good conversation, a buffet and probably a > few drinks for the non-drivers! > > I live in Steeple Aston, north Oxfordshire =96 between Oxford, Banbury and > Bicester - close to M40 Jns 9 and 10. > > If you=92d like to meet Cliff and enjoy a chat about Europas, please let me > know and I=92ll arrange details with you off-Forum. > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1350 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > >


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    Time: 12:43:34 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Aileron alignment
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> The important thing is to ensure the ailerons are set up in their correct attitude in relation to the wing chord, as detailed in the builders manual, irrespective of whether they line up with the wing tips. Also, the downgoing aileron should hit the control stop first, to prevent the aileron counterbalance weight hitting the underside of the top wing skin. If the tips don't line up then maybe the tips were installed incorrectly, but it is of secondary importance. I find that the prevailing temperature makes the alignment change; on hot days the tips don't align, on cold days they do! Duncan McF ----- Original Message ----- From: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> Subject: Europa-List: Aileron alignment > --> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> > > Having not had the pleasure (and headaches) of building G-MFHI, I obviously know a lot less than most of you guys on here about the way the rigging should be set up and wonder if someone can give me the answer to the following? > > When one aileron is set to neutral ie exactly in line with the bit that sticks out at the wing tip, the other aileron tip is about 15mm out of neutral. Is this normal (doesnt sound it to me). The aeroplane seems to fly fine a very slight tendency for it to want to turn right maybe but nothing dramatic. > > Any opinions gratefully received. > > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > virus-checked by McAfee > visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > >


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    Time: 01:15:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Duncan, The day trip is April 23rd :-) Dave can still take more, by the way - DaveBuzz@aol.com. The dates I'm suggesting for a gathering are mid-week in June. Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> The 23rd is the day of the Day Trip to France, being organised by Dave B. Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Subject: Europa-List: Cliff Shaw visiting the UK in June > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> > > HI, Europa friends, > > Cliff and Betty Shaw of Wile E. Coyote/N229WC fame will be over in the UK in > June and will be stopping with me for a few nights (at this stage 22nd and > 23rd look likely). It would be really nice to have a US-UK Europa gathering, > so we thought it would be a good idea if I hosted a =91Europa builders/fliers > evening=92 then. Likely format is good conversation, a buffet and probably a > few drinks for the non-drivers! > > I live in Steeple Aston, north Oxfordshire =96 between Oxford, Banbury and > Bicester - close to M40 Jns 9 and 10. > > If you=92d like to meet Cliff and enjoy a chat about Europas, please let me > know and I=92ll arrange details with you off-Forum. > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1350 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > >


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    Time: 01:37:54 PM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Europa Club renewal
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> Here's a plea from a Europa Club member in southwest England, received with his subscription renewal confirmation message: >From: "Ron Andrews" <ronandrews@freeuk.com> >To: "Europa Club subs renewal" <ECSR@rowil.clara.net> >Subject: Re: Europa Club renewal >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:41:58 +0100 >STILL BUILDING -2000 hours + .Last flown pic. or passenger 12 months >ago,know of >anyone in this area that has the occasional spare seat ?!! I'm not sure if Ron subscribes to the Matronics list, but if anyone can offer him a Europa trip, please get in touch with him direct on <ronandrews@freeuk.com> He's based at Dunkeswell, so if you are planning to call in there, please get in touch with Ron in advance and at least say hello! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>


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    Time: 01:37:55 PM PST US
    From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net> Sven den Boer wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> > >Saturday april 2nd, a nice day for a ride with beautiful weather. >After take off, turning out of the circuit and towards the lake, having a >passenger onboard, a ride over water is always a bit more smooth. >After 15 minutes of flight a Whoosh sound was noted, I did not take long to >realize that the pilot door had disappeared and had actually departed the >aircraft. Was I glad being over water. >The aircraft was undammaged and flying it was not different, except for a >lot of noise due to the wind. >After an uneventfull landing and a couple of days of thinking and >investigating this mishap, it is most likely that the door did lock at the >forward position, but the aft locking pin was outside the fuselage. >Being a quite new Europa flyer I have been asking around and this seems to >be a frequent observation. >Now working on a solution, probabely a set of microswitches and a small >light will do the trick, since it is almost impossible to verify by the eye. > >A thanks to Andy of Europa, who responded quickly and is trying to get the >parts over even this week !! > >Cheers > >Sven den Boer >A168 (Cabrio) > > > This is exactly why I installed the pull handles on the inside/rear of the doors. It enables me to be sure the door is properly secured... -- Jeff - A055 FWF left to do... --


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    Time: 02:24:25 PM PST US
    From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Jeff, The hinges sheared right in the middle. Cheers Sven ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> > > Just curious Sven, > When the door departed, where did the separation take place. Was it > right at the hinge or did the bolts pull out of the holes. I have been > working on painting my doors and have been considering a fix for this > worry that a cozy builder used. He placed an inside secondary latch. > I'm not sure if this is legal because it cant open from the outside, > but it would solve any worries. > Jeff > A258 > On Apr 5, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Sven den Boer wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > > <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> > > > > Saturday april 2nd, a nice day for a ride with beautiful weather. > > After take off, turning out of the circuit and towards the lake, > > having a > > passenger onboard, a ride over water is always a bit more smooth. > > After 15 minutes of flight a Whoosh sound was noted, I did not take > > long to > > realize that the pilot door had disappeared and had actually departed > > the > > aircraft. Was I glad being over water. > > The aircraft was undammaged and flying it was not different, except > > for a > > lot of noise due to the wind. > > After an uneventfull landing and a couple of days of thinking and > > investigating this mishap, it is most likely that the door did lock at > > the > > forward position, but the aft locking pin was outside the fuselage. > > Being a quite new Europa flyer I have been asking around and this > > seems to > > be a frequent observation. > > Now working on a solution, probabely a set of microswitches and a small > > light will do the trick, since it is almost impossible to verify by > > the eye. > > > > A thanks to Andy of Europa, who responded quickly and is trying to get > > the > > parts over even this week !! > > > > Cheers > > > > Sven den Boer > > A168 (Cabrio) > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:11:41 PM PST US
    From: "Dale" <gdh@isp.com>
    Subject: Re: AIRCRAFT CONTROL DURING TAKEOFF
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale" <gdh@isp.com> Bob, Scary is right! Glad you missed the tower. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT LINDSAY" <rlindsa2@san.rr.com> Subject: Europa-List: AIRCRAFT CONTROL DURING TAKEOFF > --> Europa-List message posted by: "ROBERT LINDSAY" <rlindsa2@san.rr.com> > > I have to share this scary tale with you. It shows what can happen with > just the tiniest absence of vigilance. Perhaps it will help you avoid the > careless move I made recently. > > I've been flying for over fifty years with thousands of hours in the air > and hundreds in various models of Europa, including a half dozen first > flights. > > While preparing for a solo flight in a tri-gear on a gusty day, I taxied > downwind for takeoff on runway 09 at Ramona (KRNM) in San Diego county, > California. Winds were about 060/20 kts and with little rudder > effectiveness I used the brakes for directional control. After pre > takeoff checks (including control movement) I twisted my body around in > the cockpit to check for landing traffic. As I did so, my right foot > inadvertently came off the right rudder pedal and was then resting against > the firewall bulkhead. > > The tower cleared me for takeoff and an immediate left turn after > airborne. As I taxied into takeoff position, I applied what I thought was > full right rudder. Not unexpected, considering the wind, right brake was > needed to line up and also during steady power increase for takeoff. What > was surprising was the rudder did not appear to become effective as I > accelerated. Perhaps I was experiencing a directional wind shift or a > strong gust. > > Lots of right brake was required, slowing my acceleration. Slowly > approaching unstick speed and not feeling I had control on the ground, I > went full throttle (Jabiru 3300 with climb prop) and rotated at minimum > controllable airspeed to get into the air where I was sure I could control > things. > > Wow, what a ride! The combination of not using any more right brake, the > full power left turning tendency and the strong weather-cocking wind > resulted in an exciting immediate heading change of about 45 degrees to > port. On the flying edge, I got airborne and passed between the control > tower and a hangar, picking up a few flowers on the way. I asked the > tower if that left turn after takeoff was immediate enough and also just > what are they reading for current wind. They replied it was about 060/20 > kts and sensing something was wrong, did I want an immediate landing. I, > of course, declined. I first needed to find out what was wrong with the > rudder system. While climbing, the ball was out to the right and I was > pressing hard on the "right rudder". I checked the left rudder and the > ball went further right. In a flash I it all made sense--I had been > pushing hard on the firewall beneath my right foot! > > > LESSON LEARNED: Europa rudder pedals are of minimum size which allows us > to extend our legs between the pedals for comfort while cruising--a > desirable feature--but........ > So how will I prevent this from happening again? Easy. When I'm all > lined up ready to apply full takeoff power I will quickly pulse the rudder > in both directions to ensure proper foot placement. > > You fly safely! Bob > > >


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    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Flap drive tube clearance to fuselage floor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Guys, A quick one for those who have been there, done that=85 Can anyone give me the approximate clearance between the lowest point in the vee of the flap drive cross tube FL15 and the fuselage floor in both the flaps-retracted and flaps-fully-down positions? (For those wondering why I=92m asking, I=92m trying to work out how to fit my autopilot pitch servo and it would be handy to run its pushrod under the flap drive arm, if there is room.) Thanks and regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms




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