---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/08/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com) 2. 02:05 PM - Re: Size of Airmaster Spinner on 914? (Horizonspace@aol.com) 3. 02:41 PM - Unnerving experience (Peter Rees) 4. 03:01 PM - Re: Unnerving experience (Pete Lawless) 5. 03:44 PM - How many aircraft are you building? (Jeremy Davey) 6. 04:14 PM - Re: How many aircraft are you building? (Jos Okhuijsen) 7. 06:35 PM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Garry) 8. 09:20 PM - tall pilots (Paul Boulet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com 04/08/2005 08:18:31 AM, Serialize complete at 04/08/2005 08:18:31 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Garry, A friend fixed his bulging door by epoxying a rare earth magnet to the fuselage, with a metal cup on the frame. These were obtained from a local woodworking store for a dollar or so. Now when the door closes, the magnet pulls the frame down, and the distortion is starting to disappear. Dave A061 ( one kit later than you I think and finally hoping to fly this year !) My Europa was completed in 1999 and the struts are per the original instructions............mounted in the upper aft corner of the door. The constant pressure of the strut when the door is closed causes a slow deformation of the door such that the corners stand proud of the fuselage. I've thought about changing to the "new" configuration for the struts, but simply have been too lazy to get around to it. Garry Stout ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:15 PM PST US From: Horizonspace@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Size of Airmaster Spinner on 914? --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com According to the Airmaster web site _http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage=3484_ (http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage=3484) the XS uses a 10 in spinner and the Classic uses a "Classic" spinner. According to an e-mail that I got from Martin at Airmaster, the 10 in spinner is actually 10.3 in (262mm) and the "Classic" spinner is 372mm. Regards, Tam ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:05 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Europa-List: Unnerving experience --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" When a co-owner of G-MFHI was out with an instructor last weekend, on climbout from a successful touch and go, the engine started 'surging' - repeatedly running roughly then not. A maday call was made and a successful landing on an alternate runway was executed. When the cowl was removed and a transparent piece of pipe put into the fuel line, approximately 30-50% gas could be seen - it could not be determined if this was air being drawn in or fuel vapour. When the reserve tank was selected, the gas was seen to disappear and the fuel pump ran considerably easier. My problem is that when I went to Rochester today, I couldn't repeat the symptoms - the pump ran fine from both tanks with little if any bubbles. The flow rate from the main tank was considerably less (approx 40l/hr as opposed to 60l/hr from the reserve) - replacing the element in the main tank filter eliminated the difference. The aircraft was operating on Mogas, the filter units are the glass type with metal end caps with a plastic element. The filter element looks to have quite a lot of fibrous strands in. My questions are: 1) Has anyone experienced anything like this in the past - if so, did you get to the root of the problem? 2) There seems to be a thin layer of brown 'stuff' on the wall of the fuel tank - any idea what this could be? 3) Are these the best filter elements to use - there seem to be more routes for air to get in that a sealed unit. Sorry for such a long message but as you can understand, following the accident at Kemble, it was something of an unnerving experience for the pilot (and instructor) involved and we really want to find the cause, not just a case of we think we've found it. Peter ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:05 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Unnerving experience --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Hi This sound not unusual for a new aeroplane we had a similar problem at about 8 hours from new. I have also seen the same problem on another Europa Classic just after initial permit issue. I have a Classic (109) and had repeated problems with the filters in the first few hours. I suspect the inlet pipe, which appears to exude brown goo for the first few hours. Just keep checking and cleaning the filters on a regular basis. My aeroplane has 130 hours on now and I still reckon to clean the filter about every 10 hours. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees Subject: Europa-List: Unnerving experience --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" --> When a co-owner of G-MFHI was out with an instructor last weekend, on climbout from a successful touch and go, the engine started 'surging' - repeatedly running roughly then not. A maday call was made and a successful landing on an alternate runway was executed. When the cowl was removed and a transparent piece of pipe put into the fuel line, approximately 30-50% gas could be seen - it could not be determined if this was air being drawn in or fuel vapour. When the reserve tank was selected, the gas was seen to disappear and the fuel pump ran considerably easier. My problem is that when I went to Rochester today, I couldn't repeat the symptoms - the pump ran fine from both tanks with little if any bubbles. The flow rate from the main tank was considerably less (approx 40l/hr as opposed to 60l/hr from the reserve) - replacing the element in the main tank filter eliminated the difference. The aircraft was operating on Mogas, the filter units are the glass type with metal end caps with a plastic element. The filter element looks to have quite a lot of fibrous strands in. My questions are: 1) Has anyone experienced anything like this in the past - if so, did you get to the root of the problem? 2) There seems to be a thin layer of brown 'stuff' on the wall of the fuel tank - any idea what this could be? 3) Are these the best filter elements to use - there seem to be more routes for air to get in that a sealed unit. Sorry for such a long message but as you can understand, following the accident at Kemble, it was something of an unnerving experience for the pilot (and instructor) involved and we really want to find the cause, not just a case of we think we've found it. Peter -- No virus found in this incoming message. -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:20 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: How many aircraft are you building? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Reading ahead in the Build Manual this evening in preparation for installing the rudder pedals, I noticed on Page 22-4 it says: "With blobs of dry micro on the foam supports, lay the floor panels in position, ensuring that they are on the same plane" How many aircraft under construction did the writer think I might have in my 16' by 8' garage???? Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: How many aircraft are you building? From: "Jos Okhuijsen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" There should only one horizontal plane. apart from your plane to be. So yes, that makes two, if we forget about the vertical plane. But of course you could make diagonal planes as much as you like. Back to these pedal floors, it's virtually impossible to really find the same plane (1) in the plane (2) , so best to preassamble the whole lot on the bench, outside the plane (2), make sure the pedals move smoothly, and then transfer it into the plane (2) Now carefully fix the floorboards in position, chack again for smooth movement before fixing them for good in the same plane (1) to your plane (2). Hope it helps, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:23 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" Kingsley, Yes, I'm interested in the alternative strut. Would you mind asking your friend for the particulars? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > > > Garry, > > You said: >> My Europa was completed in 1999 and the struts are per the original > instructions............mounted in the upper aft corner of the door. > > Thank you for letting me know. My thoughts were that with the original > attachment (as I understand yours is), there is considerable mechanical > advantage around the gas strut attach point such that when the door is > forced upwards when the strut is fully extended, the rear hinge is > placed under a lot of load. > > With the higher position of the attach point as it is with the alternate > positioning of the strut, the load on the rear hinge would be markedly > reduced under the same conditions. > > In relation to your comment about the door buckling from the constant > pressure of the strut, I elected to adopt Ted Gladstone's lever idea > which completely eliminates all forces on the door when the door is > closed. This mod however, is not the easiest thing to do but I'm very > happy I did it. Just recently, a friend of mine who now has his Europa > ready to fly, showed me a gas strut he bought locally over here which in > its collapsed state is shorter than the Europa strut and is also longer > in its extended state. This allows it to be fitted in the alternate > position with its lower end further outboard effecting a better > mechanical advantage when the door is open. I.e.. it holds the door > open better. This may be an easy and economical way to overcome both > your problems . . . . . I repeat - maybe ! > > If you are interested in this strut my friend found, let me know and > I'll get the details for you. > > Regards > Kingsley > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:48 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: tall pilots --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi All; i did a search of archives and only found one comment on tall pilots. How tall can you be to fit comfortably in an XS monowheel? Thanks Paul Boulet