Europa-List Digest Archive

Sat 04/09/05


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:31 AM - Re: How many aircraft are you building? (Duncan McFadyean)
     2. 12:52 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Roger Mills)
     3. 01:02 AM - Re: tall pilots (simon.nash1)
     4. 01:43 AM - Re: tall pilots (Mark Henwick)
     5. 06:27 AM - Grand National (Gerry Holland)
     6. 06:41 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Gerry Holland)
     7. 07:16 AM - Re: tall pilots (rmrrick)
     8. 07:43 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (rlborger)
     9. 08:03 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Gerry Holland)
    10. 08:39 AM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Fergus Kyle)
    11. 10:16 AM - Re: tall pilots (David Joyce)
    12. 10:49 AM - Re: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) (G-IANI)
    13. 11:14 AM - Shoot Bolt Safety Switches (Gerry Holland)
    14. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) (Craig)
    15. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) (Jeremy Davey)
    16. 02:22 PM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Sven den Boer)
    17. 02:41 PM - Rudder Pedal Setup Reply.  (Tony Renshaw)
    18. 03:51 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Setup Reply. (Jeremy Davey)
    19. 05:17 PM - Re: Did you lock the door today ? (Garry)
    20. 05:58 PM - Electric trim problems. (Paul McAllister)
    21. 11:34 PM - Re: Electric trim problems. (R.C.Harrison)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:31:46 AM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: How many aircraft are you building?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> The manual was written in English (although some of the grammar is unrecognisable), not that other version where an aeroplane has been redefined! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Subject: Europa-List: How many aircraft are you building? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> > > Reading ahead in the Build Manual this evening in preparation for installing > the rudder pedals, I noticed on Page 22-4 it says: > > "With blobs of dry micro on the foam supports, lay the floor panels in > position, ensuring that they are on the same plane" > > How many aircraft under construction did the writer think I might have in my > 16' by 8' garage???? > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1350 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > >


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    Time: 12:52:07 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Mills" <Roger.Mills@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Mills" <Roger.Mills@btinternet.com> Dave, Not sure whether you are joking or not! I wonder how your friend is going to calibrate his compass to read accurately with a powerful rare earth magnet in proximity. Presumably he'll remove it before he tries? Regards Roger Mills 141


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    Time: 01:02:07 AM PST US
    From: "simon.nash1" <simon.nash1@btconnect.com>
    Subject: Re: tall pilots
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "simon.nash1" <simon.nash1@btconnect.com> Hi Paul, I am 6'5" so I opted for the hi-top mod which gives 2-3" extra headroom, I find the plane very comfortable. Simon ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: tall pilots > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > Hi All; > i did a search of archives and only found one comment on > tall pilots. How tall can you be to fit comfortably in an > XS monowheel? Thanks Paul Boulet > > > ==== > > > > >


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    Time: 01:43:05 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Henwick" <mark.henwick@btconnect.com>
    Subject: tall pilots
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mark Henwick" <mark.henwick@btconnect.com> Hi Paul I am the same height as Ivan, who designed the plane for himself. However, I have a long spine and my head felt uncomfortably close to the glass in G-KITZ and the cockpit mockup. I have opted for a high top and will feed back how it feels in, oh, about 2 years time. Difficult to measure exactly. I'm 6ft standing. Sitting bolt upright I'm about 3ft 4in (102cm) tall. Rgds Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: tall pilots --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> Hi All; i did a search of archives and only found one comment on tall pilots. How tall can you be to fit comfortably in an XS monowheel? Thanks Paul Boulet -- No virus found in this incoming message. --


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    Time: 06:27:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Grand National
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> 1 hour left (14.25 BST). Take a chance on this Horse in this afternoons Grand National! EUROPA Ferdy Murphy Jason Maguire Shown some promise in the past, but not enough to get overly-excited about. Rating: 5/10. Odds: 100-1 Best of luck Gerry Holland Do not archive


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    Time: 06:41:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> Sven Hi! Have you got enough information now on Door Switches? Regards Gerry


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    Time: 07:16:29 AM PST US
    From: rmrrick <rmrrick@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: tall pilots
    --> Europa-List message posted by: rmrrick <rmrrick@aol.com> mark.henwick@btconnect.com wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mark Henwick" <mark.henwick@btconnect.com> > >Hi Paul > >I am the same height as Ivan, who designed the plane for himself. >However, I have a long spine and my head felt uncomfortably close to the >glass in G-KITZ and the cockpit mockup. I have opted for a high top and >will feed back how it feels in, oh, about 2 years time. > >Difficult to measure exactly. I'm 6ft standing. Sitting bolt upright I'm >about 3ft 4in (102cm) tall. > >Rgds > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: tall pilots > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > >Hi All; >i did a search of archives and only found one comment on tall pilots. >How tall can you be to fit comfortably in an XS monowheel? Thanks Paul >Boulet > > > > Its not the size that matter but where it is. My brother - law flies P2 with me and although only 6' 0" tall has to remove all cusions and sit on the seat base to clear the door glass. He's got short legs and a long body. Flying a Europa size can matter. Rick Morris (5' 81/4") G-RIKS Tri 912s 340 hours. :-)


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    Time: 07:43:42 AM PST US
    From: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com> Gerry and others, Would you please post the door switch info on the Europa Owners Site for all of us to access. Thanks. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117


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    Time: 08:03:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> > Would you please post the door switch info on the Europa Owners Site > for all of us to access. Certainly can. I'll resize the images and send with VERY simple circuit this evening. Regards Gerry


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    Time: 08:39:17 AM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> Sven, You may know that yours is not the first door separation in flight. I believe it too did no damage in departing. I have substituted SS hinges for Alu ones but have not strengthened the structure. It is my assumption if my door separates, it will tear out the bolts and I will have to strengthen structure THEN. I may not be right, but it is worth considering whether you want a clean separation, or whether open attached door will affect flight control. Like some others, I have opted for microswitch sensing of aft locking bolts (as I can see forward ones) and aft pull-in handle. I have diagrams of the installation of m/s details, including sliding covers and part numbers etc. if you wish. Cheers, Ferg


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    Time: 10:16:19 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: tall pilots
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Paul, I am 6' 2" and fit comfortably. Basically you want to fly it with your head close to the canopy for optimum forward visibility, so you make your seat cushion thick enough to achieve that. My cushion system is thicker than I feel necessary for reasonable comfort and vertical impact absorption. So I suspect that something like 6' 4" would be possible. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: tall pilots > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> > > Hi All; > i did a search of archives and only found one comment on tall pilots. How tall can you be to fit comfortably in an XS monowheel? Thanks > Paul Boulet > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > Free education for all doctors. > The simple, fast way to prove you are keeping up to date. http://www.doctors.net.uk/education > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 10:49:19 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the
    door today ?) --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> For anyone interested in the door strut mod it is Factory Mod Number 66. You will find it on www.europa-aircraft.co.uk under "technical" then Mod 66. Double click and you will get a PDF of the fitting instructions. You can buy the factory kit of part but the disadvantage of then is that the new pivot is on a moulding which you 420 onto the door. This makes the frame thicker (which has the advantage of stiffening it) but gives problems with the door seals. The other option is to make your own brackets, set then into the existing door structure and the glass over the frame to reinforce it. You need to be precise in the positioning of the bracket. Having done it both ways now (G-IANI factory kit) and (G-IRON DIY version) I like the DIY version best. It is not a job for you unless you are confident about your accuracy and the quality of your glass work. If anyone is interested in the DIY version I can make some photos available. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 11:14:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Shoot Bolt Safety Switches
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> I have uploaded a photo of Shoot bolt Switch arrangement from G-KIMM (Thanks to Paddy Clarke). Also at the following location is a very simple wiring diagram. http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumNameShootbolt-Switches&op modload&namegallery&fileindex&includeview_album.php Please ensure you copy and paste this full URL or go to http://www.europaowners.org/ Select Europa Photo Gallery and continue to item 2.....Builders Photo Album and it=B9s the bottom most photo album. Regards Gerry Holland


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    Time: 11:16:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock
    the door today ?)
    From: "Craig" <wrightcrw@aol.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig" <wrightcrw@aol.com> Ian Trev and I were at fly today and you will be pleased to here g-iani was generating some interest. It was shining nicely and everything was still on it until trev took a liking to your stripes! He promises to give you them back once he has used them as a template for his own. Regards Craig -----Original Message----- From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> To:<europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> For anyone interested in the door strut mod it is Factory Mod Number 66. You will find it on www.europa-aircraft.co.uk under "technical" then Mod 66. Double click and you will get a PDF of the fitting instructions. You can buy the factory kit of part but the disadvantage of then is that the new pivot is on a moulding which you 420 onto the door. This makes the frame thicker (which has the advantage of stiffening it) but gives problems with the door seals. The other option is to make your own brackets, set then into the existing door structure and the glass over the frame to reinforce it. You need to be precise in the positioning of the bracket. Having done it both ways now (G-IANI factory kit) and (G-IRON DIY version) I like the DIY version best. It is not a job for you unless you are confident about your accuracy and the quality of your glass work. If anyone is interested in the DIY version I can make some photos available. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com Let your email find you with BlackBerry from Vodafone


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    Time: 11:48:40 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock
    the door today ?) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Don't panic, Ian - I made him take them off carefully. And I got him to score around them first so you know where they go when you put them back on. Craig was lucky - he nearly didn't manage to do the scoring, some trumped up security guard tried to arrest him for walking round with that crowbar he sharpened! A total Jobs Worth if you ask me! But yes, G-IANI was generating a lot of interest, and there are a bunch of folks out there who want to join our Europa community! :-) Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig" <wrightcrw@aol.com> Ian Trev and I were at fly today and you will be pleased to here g-iani was generating some interest. It was shining nicely and everything was still on it until trev took a liking to your stripes! He promises to give you them back once he has used them as a template for his own. Regards Craig -----Original Message----- From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> To:<europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa List - Door Strut Mod (was:: Did you lock the door today ?) --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> For anyone interested in the door strut mod it is Factory Mod Number 66. You will find it on www.europa-aircraft.co.uk under "technical" then Mod 66. Double click and you will get a PDF of the fitting instructions. You can buy the factory kit of part but the disadvantage of then is that the new pivot is on a moulding which you 420 onto the door. This makes the frame thicker (which has the advantage of stiffening it) but gives problems with the door seals. The other option is to make your own brackets, set then into the existing door structure and the glass over the frame to reinforce it. You need to be precise in the positioning of the bracket. Having done it both ways now (G-IANI factory kit) and (G-IRON DIY version) I like the DIY version best. It is not a job for you unless you are confident about your accuracy and the quality of your glass work. If anyone is interested in the DIY version I can make some photos available. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com Let your email find you with BlackBerry from Vodafone


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    Time: 02:22:48 PM PST US
    From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Excellent and once again thanks a lot ! Sven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> > > Sven Hi! > > Have you got enough information now on Door Switches? > > Regards > > Gerry > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:41:54 PM PST US
    From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Setup Reply.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> For the bench test, be sure that the pedals rotate smoothly throughout a normal range of movement on the same axis. Mine insitu bind a bit in the bushes because the combined pedals are not completely on the same axis throughout the combined length. On the bench you should be able to distort the "high point" down with even pressure to get a co-incident axis throughout. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia At 09:13 AM 4/9/2005, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> > >There should only one horizontal plane. apart from your plane to be. So >yes, that makes two, if we forget about the vertical plane. But of course >you could make diagonal planes as much as you like. Back to these pedal >floors, it's virtually impossible to really find the same plane (1) in the >plane (2) , so best to preassamble the whole lot on the bench, outside the >plane (2), make sure the pedals move smoothly, and then transfer it into >the plane (2) Now carefully fix the floorboards in position, chack again >for smooth movement before fixing them for good in the same plane (1) to >your plane (2). Hope it helps, > >Jos Okhuijsen > >


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    Time: 03:51:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Setup Reply.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com> Oh, God, what did I start last night...? :-) Thanks, Jos and Tony! Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1350 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Rudder Pedal Setup Reply. --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> For the bench test, be sure that the pedals rotate smoothly throughout a normal range of movement on the same axis. Mine insitu bind a bit in the bushes because the combined pedals are not completely on the same axis throughout the combined length. On the bench you should be able to distort the "high point" down with even pressure to get a co-incident axis throughout. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia At 09:13 AM 4/9/2005, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> > >There should only one horizontal plane. apart from your plane to be. So >yes, that makes two, if we forget about the vertical plane. But of course >you could make diagonal planes as much as you like. Back to these pedal >floors, it's virtually impossible to really find the same plane (1) in the >plane (2) , so best to preassamble the whole lot on the bench, outside the >plane (2), make sure the pedals move smoothly, and then transfer it into >the plane (2) Now carefully fix the floorboards in position, chack again >for smooth movement before fixing them for good in the same plane (1) to >your plane (2). Hope it helps, > >Jos Okhuijsen > >


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    Time: 05:17:21 PM PST US
    From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Did you lock the door today ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com> Having "been there, done that", I can vouch that when the door departs the aircraft it does not significantly affect the flight characteristics. Just scares the daylights out of you. I know of one famous Europa pilot who shall go unnamed, who flew a couple of hundred miles after his door departed. Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Did you lock the door today ? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> > > Sven, > You may know that yours is not the first door separation in > flight. I believe it too did no damage in departing. I have substituted SS > hinges for Alu ones but have not strengthened the structure. It is my > assumption if my door separates, it will tear out the bolts and I will > have > to strengthen structure THEN. > I may not be right, but it is worth considering whether you > want > a clean separation, or whether open attached door will affect flight > control. > Like some others, I have opted for microswitch sensing of aft > locking bolts (as I can see forward ones) and aft pull-in handle. I have > diagrams of the installation of m/s details, including sliding covers and > part numbers etc. if you wish. > Cheers, Ferg > > >


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    Time: 05:58:25 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Electric trim problems.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I posted a similar message on the Aeroelectric board. I am having intermittent problems with my electric trim. Sometimes when I need to slow and trim the aircraft for landing the trim motor won't actuate. I initially suspected the down trim button, but once I had it not wanting to respond to an "UP" button press as well. I have wriggled wires, plugs and un plugged terminations and driven the servo to the end stops but I haven't been able to duplicate the problem on the ground. I am starting to suspect the servo and I am thinking it might be having trouble reversing direction with air loads. I'd be interested in anyone's ideas for trouble shooting. I have a 4 way trim switch with a Ray Allen relay deck driving an older MAC servo unit. One last question, can any one tell me the new part number for the servo unit. Thanks, Paul


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    Time: 11:34:36 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Electric trim problems.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Paul I can confirm that I have a similar problem (or I'm hoping I HAD!) For some time I have had an intermittent similar problem. The trim will always go nose up no problem but should I go a LED bar too far it won't reverse until I take it full nose up (huge control stick forces) then it usually but sometimes only after about a minute will return. I suspected the servo motor which since my Kit No. is 337 I guess will be the old one. I had lots of written exchanges with the Ray Allen Co. resulting in my sending it back for check over since they had concluded that an "end or limiter switch wasn't allowing the reversing of the motor. I returned it to them unfortunately they had a bad day when they received it and didn't link my motor with my communications but checked it out and found no fault. I refitted it and when plugging my connectors at the panel back together I discovered an internally broken or badly crimped wire. I remade the wire connection and "hey presto". After two years it seemed sorted! However since then the problem has again returned and I have not been able to get it to repeat on demand. The last time I flew I did my pre-flight checks and I trimmed up a couple of LED bars and it wouldn't return, pulled off the ramp and sat operating both the control on the stick and the one on the panel. After about 10 minutes of multiple switching it came back to life. I flew my mission ensuring not to trim too far nose up, and on the return leg repeatedly trimmed nose up then nose down without problem. I have again checked all my connectors and stood for an hour trying to reproduce the problem to no avail. I'm wondering if it is the relay deck? If you manage to isolate your problem would you be good enough to let me know? Best regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I posted a similar message on the Aeroelectric board. I am having intermittent problems with my electric trim. Sometimes when I need to slow and trim the aircraft for landing the trim motor won't actuate. I initially suspected the down trim button, but once I had it not wanting to respond to an "UP" button press as well. I have wriggled wires, plugs and un plugged terminations and driven the servo to the end stops but I haven't been able to duplicate the problem on the ground. I am starting to suspect the servo and I am thinking it might be having trouble reversing direction with air loads. I'd be interested in anyone's ideas for trouble shooting. I have a 4 way trim switch with a Ray Allen relay deck driving an older MAC servo unit. One last question, can any one tell me the new part number for the servo unit. Thanks, Paul




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