---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/11/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:51 AM - Unnerving experience (Graham Singleton) 2. 06:35 AM - Sun N Fun (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Electric trim problems. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 4. 07:30 AM - Sun N Fun (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 5. 10:21 AM - [Please Read!] Matronics List Server Back Online... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 6. 10:39 AM - Re: Electric trim problems. (Simon Smith) 7. 12:13 PM - Sun N Fun (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 8. 01:00 PM - Sun-n-Fun (Vaughn Teegarden) 9. 01:03 PM - Re: Electric trim problems. (Paul Stewart) 10. 03:21 PM - Re: Electric trim problems. (R.C.Harrison) 11. 03:40 PM - Spark plug change intervals (Paul McAllister) 12. 03:54 PM - Re: Starter kick back.... (SPurpura@aol.com) 13. 05:10 PM - Re: Starter kick back.... (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:25 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Unnerving experience --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 10/04/2005 -0700, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roland Robinson" > > >Hi > >I had a very similar experience following the annual on my Europa. On >investigation a short longitudinal split was found on the fuel pipe that >pushed onto the filter. (one of the poor quality cotton braided type) Roland you are probably right. This will cause rough running at full throttle. The leak may be extremely small but still allow air to be pulled in but not allow fuel to leak out. The air will expand and reduce the fuel flow very significantly because the rate of pumping is limited. The rough running will tend to start as fuel level in the tank reduces Graham -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:24 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hello Group My son Brennan and I will be at Sun N. Fun on Friday or Saturday this week. There was a previous thread on perhaps a Europa meeting sometime during the Fly in. Was a definite time made? Thanks! Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:02 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 4/9/2005 7:58:59 PM Central Standard Time, paul.mcallister@qia.net writes: One last question, can any one tell me the new part number for the servo unit. Thanks, Paul Hi Paul; I'm just not sure if I have a new unit or not. It was delivered with my kit on November 2004 # A276. The servo is manufactured by Ray Allen. The number on the servo is T3-12A. It came in a kit part number T3-12A-TS This thread has just persuaded me to go back and install those blind nuts to the back of the bulkhead. I would hate to have to replace this unit with the regular lock nut and washer arrangement specified in the manual. Hope those part numbers help. Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:16 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hello Group My son Brennan and I will be at Sun N. Fun on Friday or Saturday this week. There was a previous thread on perhaps a Europa meeting sometime during the Fly in. Was a definite time made? Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:59 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Europa-List: [Please Read!] Matronics List Server Back Online... --> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) System problems continue to plague the Matronics Email server. Incoming List mail was being rejected from about 12am Monday morning until about 10am PDT Monday 4/11. It is unclear at this time what is causing the system problem, but I am feverishly working on the issue. I had to restore a list subscriptions database from an April 6th backup because all of the list files had been truncated. I then reran all of the subscribe/unsubscribe requests since the 6th. You may have just received a subscribe/unsubscribe request and the FAQ if you've subscribed/unsubscribed since the 6th. At this time new posts are being processed and operation should be considered normal. More as information developes... Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin DO NOT ARCHIVE -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:30 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" Something similar that might be relevant - When the Embraer 145 was introduced in the UK there were a number of incidents of loss of trim as the aircraft accelerated and climbed. It turned out that the pilots were holding in the necessary forward stick until the pressure built up and then trimming (or trying to) and the pressure was too much for the motor to cope with. The solution was to trim more often at lower pressures. A search on the AAIB website will turn up the necessary. Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Paul, There was a similar thread, which started about the flap motor here some time ago. Somebody advised to hang a lamp over the servo motor, to isolate switches, wiring and relays. I would go for that. I've decided to add bright leds, one for up, one for down with their diode function, to the panel, above and below the indicator. This because it will help the diagnostics and hopefully prevent accidental actuation of the trim buttons on the stick. I've heard about an accident, where one of the factors was inadvertely trim up during takeoff. Other then that, i know that intermittend faults are really difficult to solve. The only way to do it is by try and error, first starting with the replacement of most suspect parts. First problem here is that nobody seems to have an idea what part to suspect first, and second is, that the problem part of the equasion might happen at a time where you can't afford it. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:47 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hello Group My son Brennan and I will be at Sun N. Fun on Friday or Saturday this week. There was a previous thread on perhaps a Europa meeting sometime during the Fly in. Was a definite time made? Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:20 PM PST US From: "Vaughn Teegarden" Subject: Europa-List: Sun-n-Fun clamav-milter version 0.80j on cassiopeia --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" Name's Vaughn and I'm working on my kit. I will be at Sun-n-Fun on the 13th & 14th. I've read the thread concerning meeting, and recall the possibility of meeting at either the Europa booth (S-24) or at Flight Crafters who will be working on a Zenair (this didn't seem for certain). I will check in at the Europa booth. My guess is that they will be receptive to leaving word with other Europa Builders/Flyers. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA Some wiring to do, then close it all up ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:48 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Simon I'll ask my wife about it when she returns from France - she was the safety officer and an FO on the 145 fleet when this occurred. Rgards Paul ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:15 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Simon. I appreciate your input but my problem happened last time during my pre-flight checks so loading was minimal other than needing to overcome the friction damper. Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" Something similar that might be relevant - When the Embraer 145 was introduced in the UK there were a number of incidents of loss of trim as the aircraft accelerated and climbed. It turned out that the pilots were holding in the necessary forward stick until the pressure built up and then trimming (or trying to) and the pressure was too much for the motor to cope with. The solution was to trim more often at lower pressures. A search on the AAIB website will turn up the necessary. Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Paul, There was a similar thread, which started about the flap motor here some time ago. Somebody advised to hang a lamp over the servo motor, to isolate switches, wiring and relays. I would go for that. I've decided to add bright leds, one for up, one for down with their diode function, to the panel, above and below the indicator. This because it will help the diagnostics and hopefully prevent accidental actuation of the trim buttons on the stick. I've heard about an accident, where one of the factors was inadvertely trim up during takeoff. Other then that, i know that intermittend faults are really difficult to solve. The only way to do it is by try and error, first starting with the replacement of most suspect parts. First problem here is that nobody seems to have an idea what part to suspect first, and second is, that the problem part of the equasion might happen at a time where you can't afford it. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:15 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Spark plug change intervals --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi All, I have a Rotax 914T. I was wondering how long people typically keep there spark plugs before replacing them. Paul ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:14 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter kick back.... --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com SOUNDS LIKE LOW VOLTAGE AT THE STARTER AFTER A FEW CRANKS. SAM N77EU ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:54 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter kick back.... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Sam Thanks, I am guessing that too. The battery is 2 years old and it was quite inexpensive at the time. I have ordered an Odyssey 680 replacement and I will see how that goes. Paul do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter kick back.... > --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com > > SOUNDS LIKE LOW VOLTAGE AT THE STARTER AFTER A FEW CRANKS. > SAM N77EU > > >