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1. 02:22 AM - Re: "Fly" Show, Earl's Court, London (G-IANI)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Finishing (Jim Butcher)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Glider Wings (Jim Butcher)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: Glider Wings (Peter Grant)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: Electric trim problems (Troy Maynor)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: Finishing To PAUL McAllister (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (R.C.Harrison)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | "Fly" Show, Earl's Court, London |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
At the end of the "Fly" show last weekend a pair of keys was found on the
Europa/AFE stand.
These keys are marked ACSxxxx and are obviously from an ACS Ignition switch.
If you have lost the keys to your aircraft's mag/starter switch please
contact:-
John Wheeler at Europa(2004) Telephone 01751 431773
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct
g-iani@ntlworld.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
We used the Expancel from Europa with the AeroPoxy also from Europa and ACS.
We test sanded after a couple of days but usually ended up letting our
filler cure for nearly a week prior to sanding since in Michigan we have
high humidity. We also devised a formula for mixing so each batch was
fairly consistent. We rolled on six coats of Poly Fiber Smooth Prime and
again let it cure fully. We really think the cure is important and followed
Poly Fiber's recommendations for each product (Smooth Prime, Epoxy Primer
and Aerothane). Paint has been completed for six months and really looks
great!
Jim & Heather Butcher A185 N241BW
XS 914 Finishing FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Glider Wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Our glider wings are in the container that's about to arrive in NC. We
assume there is a manual inside too! Dave Anderson helped Neville develop
the manual and should be able to assist. We also have a friend nearby who
is building the glider version (received kit Nov 2003) who has a glider
manual. So we don't anticipate huge problems. We'll post a message when we
get the wing kit in a few weeks.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185 N241BW
XS 914 Finishing FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Glider Wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
On behalf of the Europa Flyer magazine, I'd be very pleased if you'll keep
us posted on your progress, Jim, and I'd love to feature it in a future
issue.
Regards
Peter Grant
10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Butcher
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Glider Wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Our glider wings are in the container that's about to arrive in NC. We
assume there is a manual inside too! Dave Anderson helped Neville develop
the manual and should be able to assist. We also have a friend nearby who
is building the glider version (received kit Nov 2003) who has a glider
manual. So we don't anticipate huge problems. We'll post a message when we
get the wing kit in a few weeks.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185 N241BW
XS 914 Finishing FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
<<<In my case I am very suspicious of the crimps I have made on the relay
deck
wires as they are very fine. I have decided to buy one of Matt Dralle's
speed controllers because it replaces the relay deck, and makes my trim
motor speed adjustable. This solves my trim sensitivity problem and removes
a suspect part out of the chain.>>>
Paul,
I would be interested in more info. on this. I am using the MAC grips with
the trim switches and don't have a relay deck. From the recent thread I am
assuming I need more than just switches on the stick and the servo and
indicator. Thanks again.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing To PAUL McAllister |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Paul;
I'm just now starting to do some control area work. I know many have used
Superfil rather than the Expancel and epoxy mix. I have not yet experienced the
ecstasy of finish sanding. From what I gather it appears to really be a
chore.
Why is this Superfil better?
Is it softer therefore easier to sand? If so, what about durability?
What about this "pin hole" business?
If I use Superfil Will I need to use their brand primer and paint as well?
Thanks in advance.
With any luck. I'll be in Florida this time tomorrow! Hope to see a few of
your there!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing JIM |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Why 6 coats of smooth prime? This product is rolled on?
Does it take 6 coats to cover the pin holes?
Knowing less than nothing about finishing.....
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing JIM |
04/13/2005 11:52:52 AM,
Serialize complete at 04/13/2005 11:52:52 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Smooth prime does not really need six coats. The only problem I found with
it, is that if rolled on it forms a fairly rough surface and requires lots
more sanding to get things back smooth enough for painting.
One positive however is that it quickly shows you the areas that aren't
quite as nicely filled as you had first imagined.
Like others, I've found the epoxy mixed filler takes a long time to fully
cure. Aeropoxy light filler worked well for me and it is less fussy about
the temperature for curing.
Dave A061 - wishing I could be at Sun n Fun
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
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04/13/2005 10:34 AM
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Why 6 coats of smooth prime? This product is rolled on?
Does it take 6 coats to cover the pin holes?
Knowing less than nothing about finishing.....
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing JIM |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Brian
To be rid of pin holes in Smooth Prime you use a "ragging"
Process.(trick!) whilst rollering when you see a pin hole you either use
the edge of your roller to scuff Smooth Prime into the hole and roller
over it or take a piece of lint free rag and scrub Smooth Prime into the
hole with your finger.
The beauty of Smooth Prime is that it is easy to cut back and can be
over rolled almost at will.
Use a spray can of black matt paint to put a mist all over the area to
be sanded and watch the low areas begin to show up as you sand.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Finishing JIM
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Why 6 coats of smooth prime? This product is rolled on?
Does it take 6 coats to cover the pin holes?
Knowing less than nothing about finishing.....
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing JIM |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Thank you Bob!
Do not archive
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing JIM |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
What is even cooler than using spray black enamel is a product from 3M
called guide coat. It is a very fine black power that you bush on with a
pad. It does a perfect job of showing you where all of your scratches are.
Paul
> Use a spray can of black matt paint to put a mist all over the area to
> be sanded and watch the low areas begin to show up as you sand.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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