---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/14/05: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Finishing JIM (Jim Butcher) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Finishing JIM (G-IANI) 3. 06:17 AM - Finishing (John & Amy Eckel) 4. 08:50 AM - Re: Electric trim problems (Ron Jones) 5. 10:38 AM - Re: Electric trim problems (rlborger) 6. 01:38 PM - Re: Electric trim problems (n952jl) 7. 04:43 PM - Fuselage repairs (grroberts3@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:11 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Finishing JIM --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" Brian, We used six coats because that is Poly Fiber's recommendation. It is to protect the fiberglass from UV as well as to fill pinholes and provide a hard smooth surface for subsequent paint. The hints that Bob Harrison suggested are good. We used a spray can "guide coat" (you can purchase this at an autobody supply shop) that we liked a lot. We tried the 3M powder without much success. It's a personal preference thing but be sure to purchase good quality sand paper and 3M makes a soft yellow foam sanding block that we used a lot. If you have a 24" Permagrit bar, you can attach sandpaper to it to make a long bar. We used 3" wide self adhesive sandpaper, Norton I believe. Have fun. It takes a lot of time but Neville couldn't figure out how to include the sanding in the 51%!! Jim & Heather Butcher A185 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:49 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Finishing JIM --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" I used 3M Guide coat but did not like it particularly. I found it hard to get an even spread and the black dust "migrated" round the area you are sanding giving a false impression of what was low. After that I stuck to sprayed black which seemed to work well. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Finishing JIM --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" What is even cooler than using spray black enamel is a product from 3M called guide coat. It is a very fine black power that you bush on with a pad. It does a perfect job of showing you where all of your scratches are. Paul > Use a spray can of black matt paint to put a mist all over the area to > be sanded and watch the low areas begin to show up as you sand. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:13 AM PST US From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Europa-List: Finishing --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" Tower Hobbies sells aluminum sanding bars in various lengths. They are shaped so they are easy to hold and if you buy a long one you can easily cut it to length on a band saw. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&ILXK317&P7 John Eckel, A230 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:23 AM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ron Jones" Troy, I seem to remember that when I received my Mac stick-grips, there was a note in the box saying "...the micro-switches have now been up-graded and a relay is no longer needed if using the Mac trim servo" (or words to that effect!) That was about 3 years ago and my memory may be at fault but it is worth checking with Mac IMHO. Regards, Ron Jones (XS 395, 912S, G-RJWX) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:07 AM PST US From: rlborger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Troy, >I would be interested in more info. on this. I am using the MAC grips with > the trim switches and don't have a relay deck. From the recent thread I am > assuming I need more than just switches on the stick and the servo and > indicator. It depends on whether or not you will have a second set of trim switches on the co-pilots stick. If there is only one set of switches, then you won't need the relay deck. If you have a second set of switches, you will need the relay deck. I can scan the instructions for the MAC trim systems and send them along or post them on the Europa Owners site if you wish. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:37 PM PST US From: n952jl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric trim problems --> Europa-List message posted by: n952jl Instead of relay, wired in a ab(pilot/copilot) switch. When in the pilot's position his grip has the trim, in the copilot's position the copilot's switch has it. no problems the first 35 hrs. Joe Like A086 N952JL rlborger wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger > >Troy, > > >I would be interested in more info. on this. I am using the MAC grips >with > > the trim switches and don't have a relay deck. From the recent thread >I am > > assuming I need more than just switches on the stick and the servo and > > indicator. > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuselage repairs From: grroberts3@juno.com --> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com Had a little accident. Need to repair some damage to the lower fuselage. Anyone know the ply count in the lower aft portion. I'm thinking 2 ply bid/ foam/ 2ply bid. GRoberts A187