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1. 12:16 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey)
2. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter ()
3. 03:17 AM - Trouble at' mill? (Bill and Sue)
4. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey)
5. 04:10 AM - Re: Trouble at' mill? (Jeremy Davey)
6. 04:16 AM - Trouble at' mill? (Moore, Dave)
7. 04:34 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Moore, Dave)
8. 05:14 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Fred Fillinger)
9. 05:18 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey)
10. 05:58 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey)
11. 07:08 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Sean O'Reilly)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet)
13. 09:52 AM - Re: Mod 70 (David Joyce)
14. 10:08 AM - Inner door handle knob? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Jeremy Davey)
16. 10:37 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey)
17. 10:45 AM - Re: Inner door handle knob? (Terry Seaver (terrys))
18. 11:11 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Jeremy Davey)
19. 11:21 AM - Re: Cold Starts 912s (Duncan McFadyean)
20. 11:27 AM - Re: heavy duty starter for 912s (nigel charles)
21. 11:32 AM - Re: Mod 70 (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
22. 12:12 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet)
23. 12:26 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Fred Fillinger)
24. 12:26 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet)
25. 01:36 PM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (karelvranken)
26. 02:44 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Duncan McFadyean)
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
You building or flying, Alan?
From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and
the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to
all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what should
have happened.
Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the
mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at
http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same
information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted
his publishing issue.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Not received mine as of 26th April 2005
Alan
#0303
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have
> you
> received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as
> to
> whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the
> fliers have.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
> is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1380 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Ours is flying and I've not had any info from the PFA.
Not having built the aeroplane, I have a question which is probably really daft
but I have to ask it - when you take the D section out to get access, will the
fuselage skin support an adults weight to access the bits in the tail? If not,
whats the plan of attack? We have a couple of removable access panels but when
we removed them, couldn't see anything worth accessing.
>
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/04/27 Wed AM 07:15:53 GMT
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> You building or flying, Alan?
>
> From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and
> the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to
> all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what should
> have happened.
>
> Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the
> mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at
> http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same
> information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted
> his publishing issue.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1380 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
>
> Not received mine as of 26th April 2005
>
> Alan
> #0303
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have
> > you
> > received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as
> > to
> > whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the
> > fliers have.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> > PFA EC Member
> > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
>
> > is
> > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
> > Tail done
> > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> > 1380 build hours to date
> > Intended fit:
> > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Trouble at' mill? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" <billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Is there more "trouble at' mill"? I ordered some fairly trivial bits
(but claimed to be in stock) from Europa 10 days ago and I find today
that nothing has been dispatched yet....I hear I'm not alone either. Is
it just alarming slackness or has anybody got any insight into what, if
anything, is happening in Kirkbymoorside?
Cheers
Bill & Sue 465 XS trigear. Still almost about to put the top on.
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Peter,
I believe it will if you're careful (not tried it myself yet, but you have
to go back there to do a layup when building). If you didn't build the
plane, though, I suggest you recruit the help of someone who has built a
Europa - Mod 70 will not be a fun job even for the initiated!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
peter.rees05@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Ours is flying and I've not had any info from the PFA.
Not having built the aeroplane, I have a question which is probably really
daft but I have to ask it - when you take the D section out to get access,
will the fuselage skin support an adults weight to access the bits in the
tail? If not, whats the plan of attack? We have a couple of removable access
panels but when we removed them, couldn't see anything worth accessing.
>
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/04/27 Wed AM 07:15:53 GMT
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> You building or flying, Alan?
>
> From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and
> the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to
> all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what
should
> have happened.
>
> Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the
> mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at
> http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same
> information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted
> his publishing issue.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
is
> possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1380 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
>
> Not received mine as of 26th April 2005
>
> Alan
> #0303
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have
> > you
> > received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as
> > to
> > whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the
> > fliers have.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> > PFA EC Member
> > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then
it
>
> > is
> > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
> > Tail done
> > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> > 1380 build hours to date
> > Intended fit:
> > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Trouble at' mill? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Bill,
My bet is they'll be swamped with sorting the Mod 70 stuff out - there must
be something like 600 sets of parts to be sent out in total!
Plus, of course, Andy has been away at Sun 'n' Fun until this Monday just
gone.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Sue
Subject: Europa-List: Trouble at' mill?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue"
<billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Is there more "trouble at' mill"? I ordered some fairly trivial bits
(but claimed to be in stock) from Europa 10 days ago and I find today
that nothing has been dispatched yet....I hear I'm not alone either. Is
it just alarming slackness or has anybody got any insight into what, if
anything, is happening in Kirkbymoorside?
Cheers
Bill & Sue 465 XS trigear. Still almost about to put the top on.
Do not archive
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Subject: | Trouble at' mill? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Folks,
For what it's worth, I've been getting excellent delivery of bits from
the 'mill', as recently as last week.
Nuts & bolts sized components have been arriving less than 24 hours
after ordering. This has been consistent for the last 3 or 4 small
orders that I've made.
Perhaps they have indeed been inundated by Mod 70 orders in recent
days.........
Regards,
Dave Moore
Monowheel 550
Aberdeen
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Subject: | Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to
Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls...
I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and
wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA
Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass
balance arm.?
The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue
failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the
horizontal plane).
It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or
tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of
the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it
oscillates between the rubbing strips.
Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight
penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.?
Regards,
Dave Moore
Monowheel 550
Aberdeen UK
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Subject: | Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
A question I have is whether Europa's citing of only one incident
involving a plane with several "landing mishaps" is to be taken
literally and no more, or are they in retrospect concerned over the
integrity of the design? In the U.S., law could have the practical
effect of preventing FAA from issuing an AD based on these facts,
absent clear engineering analysis/testing to say there's a problem.
Since I have the trigear, I wonder also if I'm at least exposure to
whatever problem lurks, because I won't be experience jarring of the
tail ass'y during T/O, landing, and taxiing on turf. Has there been
impending failure noted on inspection of turf-bouncing monowheels with
hundreds of hours on them? Can anyone shed any light on this
viewpoint?
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Dave,
I'm sure that PFA Engineering did an analysis of all the stress and strain
cases. Mod 70 has certainly taken up a chunk of their time, and some have
even commented that in their opinion Engineering have OVER-analysed it!
The cables were eliminated as fitting them correctly to the previous design
with the lid on would have been virtually impossibly. In fact, I think the
only successful approach would have been to cut them off at the forward end
and fit turnbuckles to the shortened ends with fork-ends onto the TP18 lugs.
Also, they were there because the original design had no pitch-stop support
as we know it. The design of the TP18 lateral retention was never
re-addressed after the support was added - that has now happened and it has
been recognised that the cables can be disposed of (some have already done
this anyway).
Regarding weight: it's my understanding that replacing the cables with
Tufnol just about balances out the heavier TP18.
Above all, let's not forget that the maximum lateral movement now allowed is
4mm! Even a lateral acceleration of 1g is only the equivalent of dropping
the weights 4mm onto the Tufnol+ply+layup. As an admitted non-Engineer, this
seems to me not to be an issue. 4mm at the end of 1m is a rotation of about
1/4 of a degree!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moore, Dave
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to
Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls...
I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and
wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA
Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass
balance arm.?
The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue
failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the
horizontal plane).
It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or
tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of
the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it
oscillates between the rubbing strips.
Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight
penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.?
Regards,
Dave Moore
Monowheel 550
Aberdeen UK
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Fred,
It was a genuine failing on G-DAMY in the UK. On this occasion you can trust
those who oversee our fun! :-)
It was a one-off, and it led to an investigation that gave cause for
concerns - hence the fleet-wide mod.
No wool is being pulled over eyes on this one. The only criticism I can
think could be levelled is the time taken to get the mod out after the
problem was identified.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Fillinger
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
A question I have is whether Europa's citing of only one incident
involving a plane with several "landing mishaps" is to be taken
literally and no more, or are they in retrospect concerned over the
integrity of the design? In the U.S., law could have the practical
effect of preventing FAA from issuing an AD based on these facts,
absent clear engineering analysis/testing to say there's a problem.
Since I have the trigear, I wonder also if I'm at least exposure to
whatever problem lurks, because I won't be experience jarring of the
tail ass'y during T/O, landing, and taxiing on turf. Has there been
impending failure noted on inspection of turf-bouncing monowheels with
hundreds of hours on them? Can anyone shed any light on this
viewpoint?
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean O'Reilly" <seanmoreilly@hotmail.com>
Jeremy,
I received the letter last Saturday.
I / WB falls into the 'fit the mod within 5 hours or next permit renewal,
whichever is sooner' category.
The letter is quite clear as to which serial numbers are affected and what
the appropriate restrictions are on a per aircraft basis.
I will let the engineers discuss the merits (or otherwise) of the mod
itself; of more concern to me is the seemingly arbitrary limit that has been
imposed. Why is 5 hours the right limit for some aircraft? The cause of it
all (ie the arm failure) occured some time ago - if it was serious why
wasn't the entire fleet grounded? If its not serious then why wasn't a more
reasonable limit imposed on owners?
This is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the disconnect
between the PFA and the factory; the factory did not know the letter was
being distributed last week! In the meantime the factory cannot supply the
mod kits (GBP 40 ish by the way) because of a worldwide shortage of steel!
It looks like a number of us will be grounded by effluxion of time through
no fault of our own (or our aeroplanes).
I have emailed the PFA but no reply to date - response times not a
priority...
Regards
Sean
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't
appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall
U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others.
Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod
#70?
Thanks to all,
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
"flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell"
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only difference
is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying.
Regards, David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All;
> my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't
> appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall
> U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others.
> Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod
> #70?
>
> Thanks to all,
> Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
> "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell"
>
>
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Subject: | Inner door handle knob? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Just bent up inner door handles last night. Manual speaks of how you can easily
make one out
of wood.
Anyone have a pic. of what they have done if anything?
Seems no handle will work because you need to reach around tip between the guard??
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if
I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours
restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of
an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and
had not been replaced within 25 hours.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't
appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall
U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others.
Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod
#70?
Thanks to all,
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
"flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell"
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Subject: | Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Sean,
I can help on this one.
The aircraft that experienced the failure was one of the early classics that
had a different TP18 - as is 'WB, by the sounds of it. There was a mod on
them that raised the lower hole in the TP09, leaving the lower arm of the
TP18 bent to accommodate the change. Those aircraft in the 25-hour category
(i.e. those not on the list) have the later version of TP18 that has a
slightly more acute angle between the tubes.
The bent in the TP18 puts the end fitting under a bending moment to begin
with. This was probably a contributory factor, hence the lower time limit.
Regarding the steel, I understand it arrived in Kirkbymoorside on Monday and
parts manufacture could then begin.
Regarding PFA Engineering response times, I've been working hard on this
since September when I was elected to the EC. Progress is being made, but
I'm not going to pretend that that progress is anything like as quick as I'd
like. There are a number of things I want in place, including a commitment
by Engineering to levels of service quality - I'm working on that, along
with my real job, building my plane, selling my house and getting married
:-) I've given up on flying for now and will lapse while I'm on honeymoon
due to lack of P1 hours or a proficiency check - the above have taken
priority instead.
I would offer to do more, but...
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean O'Reilly
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean O'Reilly"
<seanmoreilly@hotmail.com>
Jeremy,
I received the letter last Saturday.
I / WB falls into the 'fit the mod within 5 hours or next permit renewal,
whichever is sooner' category.
The letter is quite clear as to which serial numbers are affected and what
the appropriate restrictions are on a per aircraft basis.
I will let the engineers discuss the merits (or otherwise) of the mod
itself; of more concern to me is the seemingly arbitrary limit that has been
imposed. Why is 5 hours the right limit for some aircraft? The cause of it
all (ie the arm failure) occured some time ago - if it was serious why
wasn't the entire fleet grounded? If its not serious then why wasn't a more
reasonable limit imposed on owners?
This is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the disconnect
between the PFA and the factory; the factory did not know the letter was
being distributed last week! In the meantime the factory cannot supply the
mod kits (GBP 40 ish by the way) because of a worldwide shortage of steel!
It looks like a number of us will be grounded by effluxion of time through
no fault of our own (or our aeroplanes).
I have emailed the PFA but no reply to date - response times not a
priority...
Regards
Sean
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Subject: | Inner door handle knob? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
We molded a handle into each door using a small piece of blue foam and
some BID. The foam is in a wide U-shape bonded and glassed to the top
of the door sil, about midway beteen the door latch and the seat back.
The width of the U-shaped handle is just enough to get all four fingers
into.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Inner door handle knob?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
--> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Just bent up inner door handles last night. Manual speaks of how you can
easily make one out of wood.
Anyone have a pic. of what they have done if anything?
Seems no handle will work because you need to reach around tip between
the guard??
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Folks,
I see a price has now been announced on the Factory web site - GBP45.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if
I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours
restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of
an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and
had not been replaced within 25 hours.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1380 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't
appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall
U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others.
Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod
#70?
Thanks to all,
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
"flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell"
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Subject: | Re: Cold Starts 912s |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I had the same problem on a BMW too. Only that had fuel injection, so you
can discount the carb problem (which is an effect rather than a cause in the
poor starting syndrome).
On that engine the gearbox preload could be adjusted manually. If
tightened-up completely the engine started OK. But then had to be stopped
to ease off the preload before going any further! It comes back to my
original point in earlier postings, which I won't labour.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> I remember that I had a similar problem with a BMW which as I am sure you
> know has identical looking BING CV carbs. The problem was I seem to
> remember that the carb floats no longer floated resulting in oversupply of
> gas to the engine.
>
> Dunno whether this is worth a try
>
> Will
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Seaver
> (terrys)
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"
> <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> We tried that, didn't work. Could be because the port side carb
> overflows because its needle/floats are getting shook so bad, fouling
> the port side plugs with raw gas. On some start attempts, the raw gas
> pours out the ports side airbox drain. The port side needle seals just
> fine when the engine is not shaking around so bad.
>
> Regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> A useful trick for cold starts in general on the 912s is to spray
> diethyl ether (aka cold start spray), about 2-3 seconds worth into the
> air filter. Works every time, even at 0-5 degree Farenheit.
>
> Just don't spray it in your face lest you salivate all over you cabin.
> [What do you expect from an anaesthestist ;-) ]
>
>
> Ira J. Rampil, N224XS
>
>
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Subject: | heavy duty starter for 912s |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Steve
Be aware that if you have had any kickbacks it is quite likely that the
sprag clutch will need replacing as well. This is a difficult job
needing specialist tools. As a result most of us accept that it needs
doing professionally. Adrian Lloyd at Shobden is an expert at this and
can even replace the sprag clutch with the engine installed (XS only).
This is no easy task and it takes about twice the time than if the
engine is removed. I decided to remove the engine and take it to him.
Although my engine had had only a few kickbacks the wear was sufficient
to warrant changing the sprag clutch - better to spend a bit more at
this stage rather than regretting it later. Once sprag clutch wear
starts it develops rapidly.
As an aside it is looking like anyone with a 912S should seriously
consider the uprated starter even if they have no problems so far. Sub
idle problems etc are unlikely to be just due to a weak battery
otherwise we would have had many instances before now.
Regards
Nigel Charles
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-
>>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 20:08
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Europa-List: heavy duty starter for 912s
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
>><steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>>
>>Can anyone please advise on how to remove the standard starter from a
912S
>>on an XS trigear, without removing the engine and replacing with a
Heavy
>>Duty?
>>Thanks
>>Steve Pitt #403
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 4/27/2005 12:35:18 PM Central Standard Time,
EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com writes:
Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if
I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours
restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of
an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and
had not been replaced within 25 hours.
You are right. The hours of restriction and the word "mandatory" do not
apply legally to the U.S. fleet.
That being said. I ordered the modification for A276!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Ok...I get it..if not on the list we're in the 25 hour category. And yes you're
right...in the U.S. it's not mandatory... not sure where the ins companies stand
on this tho. I'm doing the mod
Paul Boulet
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> My suspicion is that the hours restriction doesnt apply outside
> the UK, but that would leave one hell of an insurance grey
> area in the event of an accident where the part failed and
> had not been replaced within 25 hours.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
No problemo here in U.S. Our policy wording controls, but I'm sure at
most they say you need only comply with FAA rules for amateur-builts.
Those rules do not require any "mandatory" mod be made, but IF made
and it fits a definition, you must notify FAA in writing. Failure to
do that could void a policy, as happened in the sort-of landmark
"Avemco case." Otherwise, FAA rules do not differentiate at all
between self-designed, scratch-builts, or kits. They now do
differentiate as to Light Sport Aircraft kits, but only if sold that
way.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Am I missing something? The mod specifies that it applies to those kit #'s in
the appendix. Therefore there must be some kits that the mod doesn't apply to.
Also my kit # is not in the appendix. Any light you can shed would be appreciated.
Thanks
Paul
David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only difference
is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying.
Regards, David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet"
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
whether or not I need this mod #70?
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Subject: | Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Dave,
I think it is practically impossible to reinstall the cables. A better
solution was perhaps to only add the tufnol strips on the existing
installations without failure in order to limit horizontal oscillations.
Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
>
> May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to
> Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls...
>
> I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and
> wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA
> Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass
> balance arm.?
>
> The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue
> failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the
> horizontal plane).
>
> It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or
> tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of
> the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it
> oscillates between the rubbing strips.
>
> Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight
> penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Moore
>
> Monowheel 550
> Aberdeen UK
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Or if your annual inspection is due. In which case zero hours.
Who came up with this one; the Factory or the PFA?
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only
difference
> is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying.
> Regards, David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi All;
> > my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't
> > appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall
> > U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others.
> > Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod
> > #70?
> >
> > Thanks to all,
> > Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
> > "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell"
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
> >
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