---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/27/05:26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey) 2. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter () 3. 03:17 AM - Trouble at' mill? (Bill and Sue) 4. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey) 5. 04:10 AM - Re: Trouble at' mill? (Jeremy Davey) 6. 04:16 AM - Trouble at' mill? (Moore, Dave) 7. 04:34 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Moore, Dave) 8. 05:14 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Fred Fillinger) 9. 05:18 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey) 10. 05:58 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey) 11. 07:08 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Sean O'Reilly) 12. 07:49 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet) 13. 09:52 AM - Re: Mod 70 (David Joyce) 14. 10:08 AM - Inner door handle knob? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 15. 10:34 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Jeremy Davey) 16. 10:37 AM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (Jeremy Davey) 17. 10:45 AM - Re: Inner door handle knob? (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 18. 11:11 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Jeremy Davey) 19. 11:21 AM - Re: Cold Starts 912s (Duncan McFadyean) 20. 11:27 AM - Re: heavy duty starter for 912s (nigel charles) 21. 11:32 AM - Re: Mod 70 (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 22. 12:12 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet) 23. 12:26 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Fred Fillinger) 24. 12:26 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Paul Boulet) 25. 01:36 PM - Re: Mod 70 and the PFA letter (karelvranken) 26. 02:44 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Duncan McFadyean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:25 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" You building or flying, Alan? From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what should have happened. Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted his publishing issue. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" Not received mine as of 26th April 2005 Alan #0303 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have > you > received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as > to > whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the > fliers have. > > Thanks and regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1380 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:22 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: Ours is flying and I've not had any info from the PFA. Not having built the aeroplane, I have a question which is probably really daft but I have to ask it - when you take the D section out to get access, will the fuselage skin support an adults weight to access the bits in the tail? If not, whats the plan of attack? We have a couple of removable access panels but when we removed them, couldn't see anything worth accessing. > > From: "Jeremy Davey" > Date: 2005/04/27 Wed AM 07:15:53 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > You building or flying, Alan? > > From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and > the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to > all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what should > have happened. > > Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the > mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at > http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same > information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted > his publishing issue. > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1380 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" > > Not received mine as of 26th April 2005 > > Alan > #0303 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Davey" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > > > Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have > > you > > received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as > > to > > whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the > > fliers have. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Jeremy > > > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > PFA EC Member > > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > > > is > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 > > Tail done > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1380 build hours to date > > Intended fit: > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:56 AM PST US From: "Bill and Sue" Subject: Europa-List: Trouble at' mill? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" Is there more "trouble at' mill"? I ordered some fairly trivial bits (but claimed to be in stock) from Europa 10 days ago and I find today that nothing has been dispatched yet....I hear I'm not alone either. Is it just alarming slackness or has anybody got any insight into what, if anything, is happening in Kirkbymoorside? Cheers Bill & Sue 465 XS trigear. Still almost about to put the top on. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:29 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Peter, I believe it will if you're careful (not tried it myself yet, but you have to go back there to do a layup when building). If you didn't build the plane, though, I suggest you recruit the help of someone who has built a Europa - Mod 70 will not be a fun job even for the initiated! Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter.rees05@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: Ours is flying and I've not had any info from the PFA. Not having built the aeroplane, I have a question which is probably really daft but I have to ask it - when you take the D section out to get access, will the fuselage skin support an adults weight to access the bits in the tail? If not, whats the plan of attack? We have a couple of removable access panels but when we removed them, couldn't see anything worth accessing. > > From: "Jeremy Davey" > Date: 2005/04/27 Wed AM 07:15:53 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > You building or flying, Alan? > > From all the replies on here it looks like the fliers have all got it and > the builders all haven't. I'm on the case with PFA Engineering - thanks to > all who replied for their help validating what has happened vs. what should > have happened. > > Those wanting to know more about the mod in the meantime can check out the > mod documentation that SteveD's posted on the EuropaOwners site at > http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=file_info&file_id=113. The same > information will be going on the Factory site as soon as Roger has sorted > his publishing issue. > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1380 build hours to date > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlanB > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" > > Not received mine as of 26th April 2005 > > Alan > #0303 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Davey" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > > > Just a quick question for UK owners (apologies overseas folks!) =96 have > > you > > received a letter from the PFA regarding Mod 70? There is some debate as > > to > > whether any builders have received it =96 certainly at least some of the > > fliers have. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Jeremy > > > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > PFA EC Member > > =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > > > is > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 > > Tail done > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1380 build hours to date > > Intended fit: > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:38 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trouble at' mill? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Bill, My bet is they'll be swamped with sorting the Mod 70 stuff out - there must be something like 600 sets of parts to be sent out in total! Plus, of course, Andy has been away at Sun 'n' Fun until this Monday just gone. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Sue Subject: Europa-List: Trouble at' mill? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" Is there more "trouble at' mill"? I ordered some fairly trivial bits (but claimed to be in stock) from Europa 10 days ago and I find today that nothing has been dispatched yet....I hear I'm not alone either. Is it just alarming slackness or has anybody got any insight into what, if anything, is happening in Kirkbymoorside? Cheers Bill & Sue 465 XS trigear. Still almost about to put the top on. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Trouble at' mill? From: "Moore, Dave" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" Folks, For what it's worth, I've been getting excellent delivery of bits from the 'mill', as recently as last week. Nuts & bolts sized components have been arriving less than 24 hours after ordering. This has been consistent for the last 3 or 4 small orders that I've made. Perhaps they have indeed been inundated by Mod 70 orders in recent days......... Regards, Dave Moore Monowheel 550 Aberdeen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter From: "Moore, Dave" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls... I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass balance arm.? The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the horizontal plane). It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it oscillates between the rubbing strips. Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.? Regards, Dave Moore Monowheel 550 Aberdeen UK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:56 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" A question I have is whether Europa's citing of only one incident involving a plane with several "landing mishaps" is to be taken literally and no more, or are they in retrospect concerned over the integrity of the design? In the U.S., law could have the practical effect of preventing FAA from issuing an AD based on these facts, absent clear engineering analysis/testing to say there's a problem. Since I have the trigear, I wonder also if I'm at least exposure to whatever problem lurks, because I won't be experience jarring of the tail ass'y during T/O, landing, and taxiing on turf. Has there been impending failure noted on inspection of turf-bouncing monowheels with hundreds of hours on them? Can anyone shed any light on this viewpoint? Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:50 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Dave, I'm sure that PFA Engineering did an analysis of all the stress and strain cases. Mod 70 has certainly taken up a chunk of their time, and some have even commented that in their opinion Engineering have OVER-analysed it! The cables were eliminated as fitting them correctly to the previous design with the lid on would have been virtually impossibly. In fact, I think the only successful approach would have been to cut them off at the forward end and fit turnbuckles to the shortened ends with fork-ends onto the TP18 lugs. Also, they were there because the original design had no pitch-stop support as we know it. The design of the TP18 lateral retention was never re-addressed after the support was added - that has now happened and it has been recognised that the cables can be disposed of (some have already done this anyway). Regarding weight: it's my understanding that replacing the cables with Tufnol just about balances out the heavier TP18. Above all, let's not forget that the maximum lateral movement now allowed is 4mm! Even a lateral acceleration of 1g is only the equivalent of dropping the weights 4mm onto the Tufnol+ply+layup. As an admitted non-Engineer, this seems to me not to be an issue. 4mm at the end of 1m is a rotation of about 1/4 of a degree! Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moore, Dave Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls... I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass balance arm.? The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the horizontal plane). It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it oscillates between the rubbing strips. Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.? Regards, Dave Moore Monowheel 550 Aberdeen UK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:27 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Fred, It was a genuine failing on G-DAMY in the UK. On this occasion you can trust those who oversee our fun! :-) It was a one-off, and it led to an investigation that gave cause for concerns - hence the fleet-wide mod. No wool is being pulled over eyes on this one. The only criticism I can think could be levelled is the time taken to get the mod out after the problem was identified. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Fillinger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" A question I have is whether Europa's citing of only one incident involving a plane with several "landing mishaps" is to be taken literally and no more, or are they in retrospect concerned over the integrity of the design? In the U.S., law could have the practical effect of preventing FAA from issuing an AD based on these facts, absent clear engineering analysis/testing to say there's a problem. Since I have the trigear, I wonder also if I'm at least exposure to whatever problem lurks, because I won't be experience jarring of the tail ass'y during T/O, landing, and taxiing on turf. Has there been impending failure noted on inspection of turf-bouncing monowheels with hundreds of hours on them? Can anyone shed any light on this viewpoint? Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:17 AM PST US From: "Sean O'Reilly" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean O'Reilly" Jeremy, I received the letter last Saturday. I / WB falls into the 'fit the mod within 5 hours or next permit renewal, whichever is sooner' category. The letter is quite clear as to which serial numbers are affected and what the appropriate restrictions are on a per aircraft basis. I will let the engineers discuss the merits (or otherwise) of the mod itself; of more concern to me is the seemingly arbitrary limit that has been imposed. Why is 5 hours the right limit for some aircraft? The cause of it all (ie the arm failure) occured some time ago - if it was serious why wasn't the entire fleet grounded? If its not serious then why wasn't a more reasonable limit imposed on owners? This is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the disconnect between the PFA and the factory; the factory did not know the letter was being distributed last week! In the meantime the factory cannot supply the mod kits (GBP 40 ish by the way) because of a worldwide shortage of steel! It looks like a number of us will be grounded by effluxion of time through no fault of our own (or our aeroplanes). I have emailed the PFA but no reply to date - response times not a priority... Regards Sean ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:23 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi All; my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others. Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod #70? Thanks to all, Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:51 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only difference is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > Hi All; > my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't > appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall > U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others. > Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod > #70? > > Thanks to all, > Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California > "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > Free education for all doctors. > The simple, fast way to prove you are keeping up to date. http://www.doctors.net.uk/education > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:00 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Inner door handle knob? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Just bent up inner door handles last night. Manual speaks of how you can easily make one out of wood. Anyone have a pic. of what they have done if anything? Seems no handle will work because you need to reach around tip between the guard?? Thx. Sincerely Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:20 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Paul, Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and had not been replaced within 25 hours. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi All; my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others. Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod #70? Thanks to all, Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:08 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Sean, I can help on this one. The aircraft that experienced the failure was one of the early classics that had a different TP18 - as is 'WB, by the sounds of it. There was a mod on them that raised the lower hole in the TP09, leaving the lower arm of the TP18 bent to accommodate the change. Those aircraft in the 25-hour category (i.e. those not on the list) have the later version of TP18 that has a slightly more acute angle between the tubes. The bent in the TP18 puts the end fitting under a bending moment to begin with. This was probably a contributory factor, hence the lower time limit. Regarding the steel, I understand it arrived in Kirkbymoorside on Monday and parts manufacture could then begin. Regarding PFA Engineering response times, I've been working hard on this since September when I was elected to the EC. Progress is being made, but I'm not going to pretend that that progress is anything like as quick as I'd like. There are a number of things I want in place, including a commitment by Engineering to levels of service quality - I'm working on that, along with my real job, building my plane, selling my house and getting married :-) I've given up on flying for now and will lapse while I'm on honeymoon due to lack of P1 hours or a proficiency check - the above have taken priority instead. I would offer to do more, but... Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean O'Reilly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean O'Reilly" Jeremy, I received the letter last Saturday. I / WB falls into the 'fit the mod within 5 hours or next permit renewal, whichever is sooner' category. The letter is quite clear as to which serial numbers are affected and what the appropriate restrictions are on a per aircraft basis. I will let the engineers discuss the merits (or otherwise) of the mod itself; of more concern to me is the seemingly arbitrary limit that has been imposed. Why is 5 hours the right limit for some aircraft? The cause of it all (ie the arm failure) occured some time ago - if it was serious why wasn't the entire fleet grounded? If its not serious then why wasn't a more reasonable limit imposed on owners? This is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the disconnect between the PFA and the factory; the factory did not know the letter was being distributed last week! In the meantime the factory cannot supply the mod kits (GBP 40 ish by the way) because of a worldwide shortage of steel! It looks like a number of us will be grounded by effluxion of time through no fault of our own (or our aeroplanes). I have emailed the PFA but no reply to date - response times not a priority... Regards Sean ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Inner door handle knob? From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" We molded a handle into each door using a small piece of blue foam and some BID. The foam is in a wide U-shape bonded and glassed to the top of the door sil, about midway beteen the door latch and the seat back. The width of the U-shaped handle is just enough to get all four fingers into. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Parigoris Subject: Europa-List: Inner door handle knob? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" --> Just bent up inner door handles last night. Manual speaks of how you can easily make one out of wood. Anyone have a pic. of what they have done if anything? Seems no handle will work because you need to reach around tip between the guard?? Thx. Sincerely Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:15 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Folks, I see a price has now been announced on the Factory web site - GBP45. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Paul, Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and had not been replaced within 25 hours. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1380 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi All; my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others. Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod #70? Thanks to all, Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell" ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:11 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I had the same problem on a BMW too. Only that had fuel injection, so you can discount the carb problem (which is an effect rather than a cause in the poor starting syndrome). On that engine the gearbox preload could be adjusted manually. If tightened-up completely the engine started OK. But then had to be stopped to ease off the preload before going any further! It comes back to my original point in earlier postings, which I won't labour. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" > > I remember that I had a similar problem with a BMW which as I am sure you > know has identical looking BING CV carbs. The problem was I seem to > remember that the carb floats no longer floated resulting in oversupply of > gas to the engine. > > Dunno whether this is worth a try > > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Seaver > (terrys) > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" > > > We tried that, didn't work. Could be because the port side carb > overflows because its needle/floats are getting shook so bad, fouling > the port side plugs with raw gas. On some start attempts, the raw gas > pours out the ports side airbox drain. The port side needle seals just > fine when the engine is not shaking around so bad. > > Regards, > Terry Seaver > A135 / N135TD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Cold Starts 912s > > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > A useful trick for cold starts in general on the 912s is to spray > diethyl ether (aka cold start spray), about 2-3 seconds worth into the > air filter. Works every time, even at 0-5 degree Farenheit. > > Just don't spray it in your face lest you salivate all over you cabin. > [What do you expect from an anaesthestist ;-) ] > > > Ira J. Rampil, N224XS > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:00 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: heavy duty starter for 912s --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" Hi Steve Be aware that if you have had any kickbacks it is quite likely that the sprag clutch will need replacing as well. This is a difficult job needing specialist tools. As a result most of us accept that it needs doing professionally. Adrian Lloyd at Shobden is an expert at this and can even replace the sprag clutch with the engine installed (XS only). This is no easy task and it takes about twice the time than if the engine is removed. I decided to remove the engine and take it to him. Although my engine had had only a few kickbacks the wear was sufficient to warrant changing the sprag clutch - better to spend a bit more at this stage rather than regretting it later. Once sprag clutch wear starts it develops rapidly. As an aside it is looking like anyone with a 912S should seriously consider the uprated starter even if they have no problems so far. Sub idle problems etc are unlikely to be just due to a weak battery otherwise we would have had many instances before now. Regards Nigel Charles >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- >>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt >>Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 20:08 >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Europa-List: heavy duty starter for 912s >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" >> >> >>Can anyone please advise on how to remove the standard starter from a 912S >>on an XS trigear, without removing the engine and replacing with a Heavy >>Duty? >>Thanks >>Steve Pitt #403 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:42 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 4/27/2005 12:35:18 PM Central Standard Time, EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com writes: Yes, you need the mod - every Europa does. I'm guessing A212 is an XS; if I'm right you'll be in the 25-hour category. My suspicion is that the hours restriction doesnt apply outside the UK, but that would leave one hell of an insurance grey area in the event of an accident where the part failed and had not been replaced within 25 hours. You are right. The hours of restriction and the word "mandatory" do not apply legally to the U.S. fleet. That being said. I ordered the modification for A276! Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:32 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Ok...I get it..if not on the list we're in the 25 hour category. And yes you're right...in the U.S. it's not mandatory... not sure where the ins companies stand on this tho. I'm doing the mod Paul Boulet ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:18 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > My suspicion is that the hours restriction doesnt apply outside > the UK, but that would leave one hell of an insurance grey > area in the event of an accident where the part failed and > had not been replaced within 25 hours. > > Regards, > Jeremy > No problemo here in U.S. Our policy wording controls, but I'm sure at most they say you need only comply with FAA rules for amateur-builts. Those rules do not require any "mandatory" mod be made, but IF made and it fits a definition, you must notify FAA in writing. Failure to do that could void a policy, as happened in the sort-of landmark "Avemco case." Otherwise, FAA rules do not differentiate at all between self-designed, scratch-builts, or kits. They now do differentiate as to Light Sport Aircraft kits, but only if sold that way. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:18 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Am I missing something? The mod specifies that it applies to those kit #'s in the appendix. Therefore there must be some kits that the mod doesn't apply to. Also my kit # is not in the appendix. Any light you can shed would be appreciated. Thanks Paul David Joyce wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only difference is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 whether or not I need this mod #70? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:46 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" Dave, I think it is practically impossible to reinstall the cables. A better solution was perhaps to only add the tufnol strips on the existing installations without failure in order to limit horizontal oscillations. Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moore, Dave" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 and the PFA letter > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" > > May I ask the following via the forum, because I don't want to add to > Andy Draper's bulging electronic in-tray or list of telephone calls... > > I've just had a look at the Mod 70 description (Thank you, Steve D) and > wondered whether any of you have discussed, with Andy or PFA > Engineering, the possibility of fatigue of the new unrestrained mass > balance arm.? > > The new design, without the bracing cables, looks a recipe for a fatigue > failure at or near to the TP18B fitting. (From vibration in the > horizontal plane). > > It would make for some peace of mind to know that a fatigue analysis or > tests have been conducted to demonstrate that the thicker wall tubing of > the arm will be sufficient, in itself, not to suffer fatigue as it > oscillates between the rubbing strips. > > Why didn't the new design retain the cables? It is a minor weight > penalty, would its retention be overkill/over-engineering.? > > Regards, > > Dave Moore > > Monowheel 550 > Aberdeen UK > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:45 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Or if your annual inspection is due. In which case zero hours. Who came up with this one; the Factory or the PFA? Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > Paul, It seems that everyone is required to do the mod. The only difference > is whether you must do it within 5 hrs (early kits) or 25 hrs flying. > Regards, David Joyce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Boulet" > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > > Hi All; > > my kit # is A212. At first glance, that kit doesn't > > appear to require this mod. However, I seem to recall > > U.S. shipped kits had different numbers than others. > > Can anyone comment on whether or not I need this mod > > #70? > > > > Thanks to all, > > Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California > > "flying off requisite 40 hours and prepping plane to sell" > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > > > Free education for all doctors. > > The simple, fast way to prove you are keeping up to date. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/education > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >