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1. 02:02 AM - Re: toe brake parts wanted (Gerry Holland)
2. 02:02 AM - Re: toe brake parts wanted (Gerry Holland)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: toe brake parts wanted (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
4. 02:47 AM - Re: Cowl flaps? (R.C.Harrison)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: Cowl flaps? (Cliff Shaw)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Cowl flaps? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
7. 12:51 PM - xs cooling gills (Mike Gamble)
8. 03:33 PM - Re: toe brake parts wanted (steve v.)
9. 05:10 PM - Re: xs cooling gills (Bob Jacobsen)
10. 05:19 PM - Re: xs cooling gills (Cliff Shaw)
11. 05:51 PM - Re: Cowl flaps? (Cliff Shaw)
12. 09:46 PM - Re: Mikes Fears, Mod 70 (JR (Bob) Gowing)
13. 09:51 PM - Re: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" (William Mills)
14. 10:56 PM - Re: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" (Tony Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | Re: toe brake parts wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Steve Hi!
Further to our phone conversation.
Please find attached some photos.
Choke 2 - The revised position for Choke
Brake Unit - underside of Unit showing assembly and Park brake
G-FIZY - Europa almost fully painted. Needs Cowlings and speed kit in Silver
plus Vinyl d=E9cor.
Will dispatch these Items when I have your address.
Hope all works out.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder.
PSS AoA Fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
Mobile: +44 7808 402404
WebFax: +44 870 7059985
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: toe brake parts wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Earlier message sent in error.
Sorry!
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| Subject: | Re: toe brake parts wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi Steve,
I have converted my tri gear to finger brakes and have all
the parts for the foot brakes stored in my hangar (actually its a big
shed, but I call it my hangar :-) .) your welcome to any of the bits you
require. get in touch off list.
danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk
Danny G-c.e.r.i. 541
Steve v. wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
>
>hi all, if anyone out there has converted their trigear braking system from toe
to finger , i am looking for a pair of " BO1 & BO2 " angle plates for toe brake
system & possibly a toe master cylinder , many thanks steve #573 , s.vestuti@virgin.net
, 01269 861527.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Ron.
Take a look at my hot air exit flap for my Jabiru 3300. However I never
use it because it did not contribute to the engine cooling! But for
Rotax users who knows?
Look on http://WWW.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/europa.htm select "Bob
Harrison's Europa G-PTAG Then "cooling mods" then scroll down to "hot
air exit flap" and "vent flap linkage".
I already have the lower cowl "jacked" about 1.5" away from the fuselage
which with the existing reverse scoop still provides adequate hot air
escape volume even though the engine is totally air cooled.
The theory on my flap was that it would provide more vacuum effect and
lower the cowl air pressure. In reality I think it was a good air
brake!
I stiffened up the existing cut out by the use of some balsa ribs
glassed to the inside running along the airflow and the whole flap is
hinged by two 3" lengths of aileron hinge at the front.
The problem that may be encountered is "flutter" at high speed, mine
doesn't but probably by more luck than judgement !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl flaps?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Cliff
Hope all is doing well by you.
Our motor and prop are on order, looking forward to tackling the pointy
end!
Thinking about how to incorporate a Cowl Flap, and like your set up. I
don't
have any feel for what sort of loads such a thing has.
Can you give me some sort of heads up as to how hard it is to deploy,
are your
hinges robust enough, is there a speed max, and max deploy if closed
speed? If
you were to do it again, any comments?
I have glider wings, and plan on installing a oil thermostat as well.
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ron
Thanks for looking at my build pictures http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
I have not noticed a high force on the cowl flap. It does make a slight
difference in the nose down trim a cruse flight speed. I copied the build
that Bob Harrison shows in his pictures.
It is made of 1/16" alum. I used a standard boden cable that I bought from
AC. The 2 hinges are .75 alum. aircraft hinges 3 inches long. The flap when
closed leaves a 3 inch slot open at it's trailing edge. (It does not close
off the air exit completely) It is not directly connected to the boden
cable. It is spring returned to the up position.
Hope this helps. remember, "I am an armature aircraft builder :) "
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl flaps?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Hello Cliff
>
> Hope all is doing well by you.
>
> Our motor and prop are on order, looking forward to tackling the pointy
> end!
>
> Thinking about how to incorporate a Cowl Flap, and like your set up. I
> don't
> have any feel for what sort of loads such a thing has.
>
> Can you give me some sort of heads up as to how hard it is to deploy, are
> your
> hinges robust enough, is there a speed max, and max deploy if closed
> speed? If
> you were to do it again, any comments?
>
> I have glider wings, and plan on installing a oil thermostat as well.
>
> Thx.
> Sincerely
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Cliff
Thx. for the reply.
Do you think your design allows for less drag when closed hence better glide?
Do you think it would help warm things up when closed on a cold glider motor?
How about on the ground when starting could?
Do you think it helps cooling when on the ground a long time in hot, and on
long climbs?
2 more unrelated questions.
What sort of tool do you use for removing your magnetic plug on the crankcase
near the oil filter, a Torx T-40 or a Torx Plus IP-40? They are supposed to be
inspected every other oil change.
Where did you get interior, or stuff for your interior?
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
Cliff Shaw wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Ron
>
> Thanks for looking at my build pictures http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
> I have not noticed a high force on the cowl flap. It does make a slight
> difference in the nose down trim a cruse flight speed. I copied the build
> that Bob Harrison shows in his pictures.
>
> It is made of 1/16" alum. I used a standard boden cable that I bought from
> AC. The 2 hinges are .75 alum. aircraft hinges 3 inches long. The flap when
> closed leaves a 3 inch slot open at it's trailing edge. (It does not close
> off the air exit completely) It is not directly connected to the boden
> cable. It is spring returned to the up position.
>
> Hope this helps. remember, "I am an armature aircraft builder :) "
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Cowl flaps?
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> > <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >
> > Hello Cliff
> >
> > Hope all is doing well by you.
> >
> > Our motor and prop are on order, looking forward to tackling the pointy
> > end!
> >
> > Thinking about how to incorporate a Cowl Flap, and like your set up. I
> > don't
> > have any feel for what sort of loads such a thing has.
> >
> > Can you give me some sort of heads up as to how hard it is to deploy, are
> > your
> > hinges robust enough, is there a speed max, and max deploy if closed
> > speed? If
> > you were to do it again, any comments?
> >
> > I have glider wings, and plan on installing a oil thermostat as well.
> >
> > Thx.
> > Sincerely
> > Ron Parigoris
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | xs cooling gills |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Do I open up the rearward or front facing sections of the cooling gills on the
top cowling?
Manual says open up the 'flat' surface.
It does not take much to confuse me and both surfaces are curved!
Thanks
Mike Gamble
XS 440
Just received the FWF kit.
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| Subject: | RE: toe brake parts wanted |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
i would like to say a big thanks to all those that contacted me for the toe brake
spares , & thanks for the offer of the stb. side drawings , but ,i`m only putting
2-3 hours a night in so i going to have to keep it simple ! cheers steve
#573
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| Subject: | xs cooling gills |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Mike,
I found (and many others have) that opening up all 4 "gills" on both sides
lets out to much air. I eventually would up closing off two on each side -
leaving two open.
You open up the inside edge.
Also it helps cooling if you cut the cowl lip on the front bottom cowling
back. I cut mine way back and added some foam behind it to smooth out the
airflow entering the oil and water coolers. This helped lower my ground
running temp's quite a bit.
Bob Jacobsen
A131
>From: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: xs cooling gills
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:48:09 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
>Do I open up the rearward or front facing sections of the cooling gills on
>the top cowling?
>Manual says open up the 'flat' surface.
>It does not take much to confuse me and both surfaces are curved!
>Thanks
>Mike Gamble
>XS 440
>Just received the FWF kit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: xs cooling gills |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
The louvers are design to be exits. Hot air is to exit the engine
compartment through them. So, cut out the aft facing surface.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: xs cooling gills
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
> Do I open up the rearward or front facing sections of the cooling gills on
> the top cowling?
> Manual says open up the 'flat' surface.
> It does not take much to confuse me and both surfaces are curved!
> Thanks
> Mike Gamble
> XS 440
> Just received the FWF kit.
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ron
My answers are in red.
1. Do you think your design allows for less drag when closed hence better glide?
Yes
2. Do you think it would help warm things up when closed on a cold glider motor?
I don't know that much about gliders.
3. How about on the ground when starting could? It will warm up faster.
4. Do you think it helps cooling when on the ground a long time in hot, and on
long climbs? Yes defently helps.
5. What sort of tool do you use for removing your magnetic plug on the crankcasenear
the oil filter, a Torx T-40 or a Torx Plus IP-40? They are supposed to beinspected
every other oil change. T-40. I did not find anything.
6. Where did you get interior, or stuff for your interior? The wife and I went
to lots of faberic stores to find what we used. The overhead is covered with a
special material used in the marine inderstry for that same perpose. It is stretchie
and fits the curves very nicely.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Re: Mikes Fears, Mod 70 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Tony and all
I can't underestand what all the fuss is about in Retaining the cables.
We put them there because that was what was approved. What they have to do
most of the time is little -
When the fuse is standing vertical the weights may touch lightly on one side
or the other and friction zilch.
In a balanced turn it is the same.
It seems to me that the only time the weight may push firmly against the
limit structure is if one wing is being retarded enough to begin turning the
aircraft, say in entering a ground loop or it a wing hits something solid
when it could possibly break the structure. In this case you will be out of
action for some time anyway working on wing repairs. But you would have had
no time to experience any increased friction in the pitch control mechanism.
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz - and yes I did spend some time studying
structures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mikes Fears, Mod 70
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >>> Your fears are shared in my hanger as well. In that I am in the USA,
> I will take my new stronger mass balance arm to my trusty welder and
> have a cable attachment flange put on it. As you so wisely concluded,
> the cable installation was not designed well. The idea is fine, but if a
> builder can not do it well, it is a bad design. I installed the
> turnbuckles and feel that fixed the design problem.
>
> Your comments are reflected by some in NZ also and I know of three
> builders who, myself included, will be welding a cable attachment
> flange to it and using the existing turnbuckle tensioned stay wires on
> it. My father, who is a mechanical engineer, told me many years ago that
> if you want something to stay put make it out of triangles and that's
> what I intend retaining on my mass balance arm.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> > I'm worrying about finding a thin agile person willing and able to go
> > down
> > the back with a spanner (wrench!)
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim Houlihan ( one of the early ones!)
>
> Tim!
> - and when you are finished with him - please wrap him up and send him
> to Denmark in a hurry!
> We have planned some serious flying for the next months.....
> Regards Gert
To the elderly, perhaps portly and less agile of us,
I have found someone who will come to our rescue. He is not exactly thin,
he is not exactly long, he is younger, he more agile and most importantly,
he is very willing to crawl down the tail end of our Europas to fit Mod 70.
"Who is he?" I hear you ask; well he is our one and only NEV.
Seriously though, Nev is setting up a production line at Wombleton, with all
the necessary cushions, special tools and know-how to whip your old ones out
(balance arms) and put the new ones in. For those in need, may I suggest
you call him on 01751 432850, or 07951141890.
Good luck and best wishes,
William
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| Subject: | Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
he is very willing to crawl down the tail end of our Europas to fit Mod
70.
"Who is he?" I hear you ask; well he is our one and only NEV.
Never was the Ferret Works more appropriately named !
:)
Tony
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