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1. 12:16 AM - Re: rear cylinders HOT on my 914 (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 03:38 AM - LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK (Jeremy Davey)
4. 04:16 AM - Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! (Jos Okhuijsen)
5. 05:34 AM - Re: rear cylinders HOT on my 914 (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
6. 06:08 AM - Anybody got a picture of the kit? (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK (R Holder)
8. 07:03 AM - Water flow (R Holder)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: Water flow (Cliff Shaw)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Water flow (Rob Housman)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: rear cylinders HOT on my 914 (Terry Seaver (terrys))
12. 10:45 AM - Tour de France (David Joyce)
13. 11:04 AM - Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! (Jeremy Davey)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK (Jeremy Davey)
15. 11:07 AM - Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! (Trevpond@aol.com)
16. 11:35 AM - Fw: The mother of all model airplanes (rlborger)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK (R Holder)
18. 01:46 PM - Re: Water flow (R Holder)
19. 02:10 PM - Re: Fw: The mother of all model airplanes (Wayne @ Engravers.net)
20. 02:12 PM - High Oil temperature (Peter Rees)
21. 02:35 PM - Re: Swaging those cables (William Daniell)
22. 03:35 PM - Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! (Kingsley Hurst)
23. 03:39 PM - Replacing Rotax starter (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
24. 04:00 PM - Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK (Jeremy Davey)
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| Subject: | rear cylinders HOT on my 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Paul,
You said :-
> I've put ten hours on my Europa to date and seem to be
getting pretty high EGT readings on the rear 2
cylinders- generally running 200-240 degrees hotter
than the front two.
"For hot rear cylinders part of the fix is to
partially block off the gill vents on the rear side
of the upper cowling. The idea is to not have the air
rushing out those holes but down over the cylinders in
the rear and . . . . . ."
You have stated that your Exhaust Gas Temps are around 200-240 degrees
hotter on the rear two cylinders. I assume the second paragraph "for
hot rear cylinders . . . " is referring to high CHT's.
To the best of my knowledge, alteration of the ducting will affect
Cylinder Head Temps and will have little or no affect on true EGT's. A
difference in EGT's should mainly be due to differing mixture strengths
in the cylinders.
Having said this however, assuming all EGT's might in fact be the same,
maybe, the front exhaust pipes are cooled more by the air flow than the
rear ones , the EGT's reported are varied because of this leading you to
believe the actual EGT's are different.
As the boss of one of my sons used to say, do you get what I am getting
at ? ?
No doubt, others will correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
Kingsley in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> (No doubt all will have a laugh at my expense but I have a thick skin
> anyway.)
On the contrary Bob. There are not many people with a smaller stature than
I and I know from experience that working inside that area with the elevator
drive tube is not comfortable.
The situation as I see it is thus:- Some (many I think) builders have
fitted turnbuckles to make working with the cables easier and some haven't.
For those who haven't, the mod as supplied may be the best way to go while
for the rest of us (me included), to retain the cables will simply make life
a lot easier.
There would be no skin off Andy's nose if the cable lugs were supplied on
all the kits and they would present no disadvantage to those who don't use
them. I have written to Andy requesting him to incorporate the lugs but if
only a couple of us do this, there is little likelihood of it being done. I
therefore suggest that EVERY builder/flyer who wants to retain their
turnbuckle set-up, write to Andy making the same request in order that he
can clearly gauge the interest in doing so.
In any case, I will be fitting them regardless but since the nearest
aircraft welder is 500km from me, this is an expense and inconvenience I
would rather avoid.
Cheers
Kingsley
PS Did I hear correctly that you have some Aussies over there teaching your
blokes how to play Cricket ?
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| Subject: | LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
I guess all the UK folks are aware the existing arrangements for local ACS
orders have ended? I now see that LAS are taking them on and doing
twice-weekly consolidated shipping of ACS parts before onward distribution.
Does this fill everyone else with the same feeling of doom that it gives me?
I=92ve found LAS to be utterly incapable of getting even simple orders right,
outrageously expensive (typically 200%+ of the ACS cost for parts), liable
to substitute parts without warning with their choice of equivalent, and
prone to sending everything by courier without even checking if that=92s what
you want.
For example, one recent backorder of bits just got sent to me and they
charged me extra postage for sending it! GBP13 of parts, plus GBP25.90 to
send it by courier, when good old Royal Mail would have done it just as well
for about GBP3. After waiting for the parts for a month, an extra 2 days
wouldn=92t have been the end of the world. Needless to say I=92m fighting it!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
=93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1390 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Yes, other opinion! Don't like the mod 70 bashing at all. Seems to me a
gross misappreciation of the technical intellect (Andy) at the factory. My
line of thought is like this: The cables, especially preloaded with
turnbuckels put an extra load on the arm and it's connections in a static
situation. If there are forces sideways (bumpy air) these forces will
increase with a 10 x factor (arm lenghts). Same sitiation in the
tri-gear.I have the cables (one turnbuckle) in place, but the top is not
fitted yet, so i have an easy one on this i must admit. Making a mod on a
mod by adding again cables ect seems a bit arrogant.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: rear cylinders HOT on my 914 |
05/05/2005 08:34:01 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/05/2005 08:34:01 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Paul,
I was chatting with a 914 mono builder (Chris Staines) on the weekend, his
feeling was that the rear temps were higher mainly because of the
proximity of the sender to the exhaust pipe.
Chris incidentally re-worked his lower cowling over the winter, to move
the air intake "chin" back about a foot, just in front of the Radiator.
Also cut down on the intake area and cleaned up the air outflow. He also
added 4 extra louvres on top.
To date temps are lower ( although its still cold up here ). Also appears
to have picked up a knot or two in cruise, but this is hard to verify.
The aircraft profile is prettier now.
Dave A061
Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
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05/04/2005 11:19 PM
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Subject: Europa-List: rear cylinders HOT on my 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I've put ten hours on my Europa to date and seem to be
getting pretty high EGT readings on the rear 2
cylinders- generally running 200-240 degrees hotter
than the front two.
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
"Have flown ten of the required 40 hours off in my
designated flight area"
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| Subject: | Anybody got a picture of the kit? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I've been arranging my build pictures and I was wondering if anybody had a
copy of the picture of the kit all layed out that used to appear on John Hurst's
website. I'd like to include it in my gallery to kind of give some
perspective as to where I started. If anybody can point to a link to this picture
or
send it to me it'd be appreciated.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Glass is in, sliding towards finish and paint inbetween towing gliders
and planting corn)
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| Subject: | Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Jeremy Davey wrote:
> I guess all the UK folks are aware the existing arrangements for local ACS
> orders have ended? I now see that LAS are taking them on and doing
> twice-weekly consolidated shipping of ACS parts before onward distribution.
>
> Does this fill everyone else with the same feeling of doom that it gives me?
> I=92ve found LAS to be utterly incapable of getting even simple orders right,
> outrageously expensive (typically 200%+ of the ACS cost for parts), liable
> to substitute parts without warning with their choice of equivalent, and
> prone to sending everything by courier without even checking if that=92s what
> you want.
>
> For example, one recent backorder of bits just got sent to me and they
> charged me extra postage for sending it! GBP13 of parts, plus GBP25.90 to
> send it by courier, when good old Royal Mail would have done it just as well
> for about GBP3. After waiting for the parts for a month, an extra 2 days
> wouldn=92t have been the end of the world. Needless to say I=92m fighting it!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
I am puzzled - I dunno who LAS are.
In the past I asked ACS (Europe) to order my stuff and it
came direct from the US to me, normally with VAT and
handling added. (ACS (E) told me originally that "10% of
orders get caught for VAT". Actually it was 6 out of 7 !).
Then I started ordering my stuff on-line for delivery to
me here. Same result as above except that the order was
placed immediately rather than two days later by ACS (E).
Now I have a US contact who comes here twice a year, and I
go there twice a year. So I now order on-line for delivery
in Delaware. No tax, UPS Ground delivery charges, and that
is it ! 140 worth can be brought in each time with no
customs implications at all. I'll take the 5th as to
whether I have ever exceeded the 140 ! And I can track
the delivery every step (van/plane) on the way using the
UPS tracking system on the web.
Why on earth did you use a third party - LAS ?
Richard
G-OWWW - High Cross
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--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team
Can anyone tell me for certain which way the water flows ?
Does it flow from the central top dashpot (with the
pressurised "radiator cap") down through the heads and
into the block, ie is the water flow downwareds through
the heads, or is it the other way around with the water
flowing upwards through the heads ?
Richard
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Richard
The way I figured it out, the water is on its way back when it goes to the
little pot with the radiator cap. That is the way I plumed up my "skydrive"
carb heaters .
Good luck building.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Water flow
> --> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Team
>
> Can anyone tell me for certain which way the water flows ?
>
> Does it flow from the central top dashpot (with the
> pressurised "radiator cap") down through the heads and
> into the block, ie is the water flow downwareds through
> the heads, or is it the other way around with the water
> flowing upwards through the heads ?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
The "Operator's Manual for all versions of Rotax 914" page 9-1 of version
Dec 01/98 has a diagram (Fig. 4) at the bottom of the page showing that the
coolant flows from the water pump UP to the cylinder heads, up to the
expansion tank, down to the radiator and back to the pump.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R Holder
Subject: Europa-List: Water flow
--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team
Can anyone tell me for certain which way the water flows ?
Does it flow from the central top dashpot (with the
pressurised "radiator cap") down through the heads and
into the block, ie is the water flow downwareds through
the heads, or is it the other way around with the water
flowing upwards through the heads ?
Richard
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| Subject: | rear cylinders HOT on my 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Paul,
We often see a 200 degF difference in EGT's, sometimes more than 250
degF when the throttle is closed in flight. We attribute this to the
proximity of the front exhaust headers to the two inlets in the cowl.
Our engine instrument was set to alarm if min/max EGT difference was
greater than 250 degF, and we were getting alarms regularly on
reduced-power descents.
Our cooling mods don't have much effect on the EGT spread,
front-to-rear, but were done to reduce the rather high temps (400-450
degF) in the lower cowl area, which was causing damage to various
components. The mods also ended up reducing oil temps by about 20 degF
in the climb.
Regards.
Terry Seaver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: rear cylinders HOT on my 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I've put ten hours on my Europa to date and seem to be getting pretty
high EGT readings on the rear 2
cylinders- generally running 200-240 degrees hotter than the front two.
I searched the archives to see if this issue had been addressed before
and can't seem to find any info hence hoping others might give me some
insight.
Steve Hagar was kind enough to give me this info:
"For hot rear cylinders part of the fix is to partially block off the
gill vents on the rear side of the upper cowling. The idea is to not
have the air rushing out those holes but down over the cylinders in the
rear and out the bottom. Along with that is to make a cover to go over
the top of the motor mount weldment at the rear of the engine. You want
the air forced down over the cylinders. You don't want it to go to the
back of the engine compartment and go rushing out the bottom through
that motor mount opening. Dave Deford and Terry Seaver up outside of
Livermore have been through this."
Any other thoughts/opinions appreciated. By the way, the day was a
balmy 75 degrees F when I was test flying. Thanks!
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
"Have flown ten of the required 40 hours off in my designated flight
area"
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
This year's Europa Club Tour de France will take place from 18 to 25 June
The route is currently looking like Troyes-Barbery, LFQ; Carcassone,LFMK;
Pau-Pyrrenees,LFBP; Bordeaux Yvrac,LFDY; Saumur,LFOD; Quimper,LFRQ, with a
possible excursion to Belle-Ile,LFEA at the end if the weather has been kind
to us and we haven't got delayed or diverted up to that point.
Could those who previously expressed an interest please confirm now
by email that they are committed, and if anyone else is interested there is
still one spare place. In case anyone did not see the previous notice the
idea of the trip is that it should be fairly gentle with no more than about
three hours flying per day, and that it should concentrate on stops where
there is plenty of interest., plus good food and wine. That is to say that
it is the sort of trip that wives should thoroughly enjoy, even if they
don't necessarily have quite the same degree of passion for flying that you
do! It is also ideal for someone new to foreign travel as France is a benign
place for starting to enjoy European flying and there will be plenty of
experienced folk happy to give any support needed.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ, (waiting mod 70!)
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| Subject: | Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
My understanding, Kingsley, is that they're here learning how to be
gentlemen and sportsmen. The plan is for them to teach your PM what they
learn ready for when you next host the Rugby World Cup Final :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1390 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke !
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> (No doubt all will have a laugh at my expense but I have a thick skin
> anyway.)
On the contrary Bob. There are not many people with a smaller stature than
I and I know from experience that working inside that area with the elevator
drive tube is not comfortable.
The situation as I see it is thus:- Some (many I think) builders have
fitted turnbuckles to make working with the cables easier and some haven't.
For those who haven't, the mod as supplied may be the best way to go while
for the rest of us (me included), to retain the cables will simply make life
a lot easier.
There would be no skin off Andy's nose if the cable lugs were supplied on
all the kits and they would present no disadvantage to those who don't use
them. I have written to Andy requesting him to incorporate the lugs but if
only a couple of us do this, there is little likelihood of it being done. I
therefore suggest that EVERY builder/flyer who wants to retain their
turnbuckle set-up, write to Andy making the same request in order that he
can clearly gauge the interest in doing so.
In any case, I will be fitting them regardless but since the nearest
aircraft welder is 500km from me, this is an expense and inconvenience I
would rather avoid.
Cheers
Kingsley
PS Did I hear correctly that you have some Aussies over there teaching your
blokes how to play Cricket ?
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| Subject: | LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Richard,
LAS are Light Aero Spares. I usually do as you do - go direct via the ACS
Web Site and take delivery when in the US on business (about 6 times a
year).
Unfortunately every so often I need a small part or two reasonably quickly,
so LAS are the only option I know. They're utterly incompetent, in my
experience - so them taking over the ACS(E) arrangements is something of a
concern!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1390 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Jeremy Davey wrote:
> I guess all the UK folks are aware the existing arrangements for local ACS
> orders have ended? I now see that LAS are taking them on and doing
> twice-weekly consolidated shipping of ACS parts before onward
distribution.
>
> Does this fill everyone else with the same feeling of doom that it gives
me?
> I=92ve found LAS to be utterly incapable of getting even simple orders
right,
> outrageously expensive (typically 200%+ of the ACS cost for parts), liable
> to substitute parts without warning with their choice of equivalent, and
> prone to sending everything by courier without even checking if that=92s
what
> you want.
>
> For example, one recent backorder of bits just got sent to me and they
> charged me extra postage for sending it! GBP13 of parts, plus GBP25.90 to
> send it by courier, when good old Royal Mail would have done it just as
well
> for about GBP3. After waiting for the parts for a month, an extra 2 days
> wouldn=92t have been the end of the world. Needless to say I=92m fighting
it!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
I am puzzled - I dunno who LAS are.
In the past I asked ACS (Europe) to order my stuff and it
came direct from the US to me, normally with VAT and
handling added. (ACS (E) told me originally that "10% of
orders get caught for VAT". Actually it was 6 out of 7 !).
Then I started ordering my stuff on-line for delivery to
me here. Same result as above except that the order was
placed immediately rather than two days later by ACS (E).
Now I have a US contact who comes here twice a year, and I
go there twice a year. So I now order on-line for delivery
in Delaware. No tax, UPS Ground delivery charges, and that
is it ! 140 worth can be brought in each time with no
customs implications at all. I'll take the 5th as to
whether I have ever exceeded the 140 ! And I can track
the delivery every step (van/plane) on the way using the
UPS tracking system on the web.
Why on earth did you use a third party - LAS ?
Richard
G-OWWW - High Cross
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| Subject: | Re: Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
In a message dated 05/05/2005 11:19:30 GMT Daylight Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
PS Did I hear correctly that you have some Aussies over there teaching your
blokes how to play Cricket ?
Ever hear of the Rugby World Cup?
Trev Pond
Kit 598
Nearly there
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| Subject: | Fwd: The mother of all model airplanes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
I realize this is off subject and I may get flogged mercilessly but you
gotta watch the video! It's 10 minutes long and requires a high-speed
connection to work right. If you don't have one, find someone who has
one and beg them to let you watch.
'specially all you Brits. Watch the video and you'll understand.
If anyone wants to see the pic before you go to the trouble of watching
the video, I've posted it and the URL on my build site.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(80%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28
Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Finishing. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
Begin forwarded message:
> Watch the video
> ---------
> Actually has 8 "real turbines" at about $1500 each!
>
> I read about it in one of the model mags I get. Took over 2 years
> to build.
>
> Takes multiple pilots, as there are so many things to control.
>
> Think they are nervous during the maiden flight?
>
> Subject: B-52 UAV
>
> Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines!
> Check out
> the movie link below to see the first flight. Could be a UAV
> contender?
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
>
>
> -----
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> LAS are Light Aero Spares. I usually do as you do - go direct via the ACS
> Web Site and take delivery when in the US on business (about 6 times a
> year).
>
> Unfortunately every so often I need a small part or two reasonably quickly,
> so LAS are the only option I know. They're utterly incompetent, in my
> experience - so them taking over the ACS(E) arrangements is something of a
> concern!
I didn't know ACS (E) had any such arrangements. In the
past I havee ordered through ACS (E) and the stuff has
been delivered direct. Has this changed ? As I, the
customer, am paying the individual shipping charges from
ACS to me I don't see the advantage to ACS of delivering
via LAS, especially if there are large mark-ups by the
middle man.
Are you saying that if you order from ACS via the web-site
and put your address in as the UK the delivery is shipped
to LAS who then on-ship it to you ? Thus incurring two
lots of delivery charges, and of course the certainty of
being charged VAT ?
If you do this - does the web-site tell you that there is
a middle man in the process ?
All ACS deliveries come with a "Tell us how well we
processed this order" postcard. Perhaps a few of these
returned to ACS with negative comments about the
involvement of LAS would change their minds.
Actually my experience of LAS for stuff in their catalogue
is quite reasonable. I ordered a water/fuel separator
funnel once which came with ACS stickers but at a price
less than the ACS catalogue price - (old stock ??)
Richard
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--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
> The way I figured it out, the water is on its way back
> when it goes to the little pot with the radiator cap.
> That is the way I plumed up my "skydrive" carb heaters
> .
Rob Housman wrote
> The "Operator's Manual for all versions of Rotax 914"
> page 9-1 of version Dec 01/98 has a diagram (Fig. 4) at
> the bottom of the page showing that the coolant flows
> from the water pump UP to the cylinder heads, up to the
> expansion tank, down to the radiator and back to the
> pump.
Thanks guys - you have confirmed what I thought. Which
begs the question about the installation instructions for
the carb heaters.
As instructed the water starts from the water pump, goes
through the starboard side carb, then through the port
side carb and then to the header tank.
HOWEVER. I see the starboard side as being the hotter side
as the airflow is restricted by pipes and also by the oil
dry sump tank, which itself is very hot. So the starboard
side has a heat advantage already over the port side. So
why doesn't the hotter water from the water pump get
directed to the port side first and THEN to the starboard
side ?
I mention this as, even with the carb heat kit fitted, I
am still getting the minor slight hiccups which I was
getting before the kit was fitted and which I have decided
(maybe wrongly) is carb icing. Today the outside temp was
about 12 degrees C and I got the hiccups. I shall do some
careful tests, recording ambient temps, carb body temp,
and oil and CH temps in the cruise after settling down to
see if there is any consistency about it.
The hiccups are quite minor but I hate to hear anything
which is not a continuous note from the engine.
Richard
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| From: | "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: The mother of all model airplanes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
If you watched that video of the B-52 and smiled, then you'll be crying
after you watch this one of the same aircraft.
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/b52crash.mpeg
Wayne
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: The mother of all model airplanes
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> I realize this is off subject and I may get flogged mercilessly but you
> gotta watch the video! It's 10 minutes long and requires a high-speed
> connection to work right. If you don't have one, find someone who has
> one and beg them to let you watch.
>
> 'specially all you Brits. Watch the video and you'll understand.
>
> If anyone wants to see the pic before you go to the trouble of watching
> the video, I've posted it and the URL on my build site.
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> (80%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
> in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28
> Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
> Doors, 37 Finishing. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> Watch the video
>> ---------
>> Actually has 8 "real turbines" at about $1500 each!
>>
>> I read about it in one of the model mags I get. Took over 2 years
>> to build.
>>
>> Takes multiple pilots, as there are so many things to control.
>>
>> Think they are nervous during the maiden flight?
>>
>> Subject: B-52 UAV
>>
>> Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines!
>> Check out
>> the movie link below to see the first flight. Could be a UAV
>> contender?
>>
>> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | High Oil temperature |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Yet again on the scrounge for some advice:
When we run HI at 5000rpm, the oil temperature frequently gets above 130
(though we always throttle back before it gets any higher) - we often have
to pull it back to 4500 to keep the temp down - this only returns about
100kts.
The oil tank has been fitted such that the return pipe passes straight over
the exhaust - could this be increasing the oil temp significantly?
The prop (warpdrive) is quite coarse - could this be putting a heavy load on
the 80hp 912?
I have tried blocking the bottom of the cowl out by about 5mm - this seems
to have dropped a few C but still not enough.
Should I try blocking the bottom of the cowl out further? Should I block the
small gap above the rad on the stbd side to force the air through the rad?
Any other suggestions would be more than welcome as I should imagine its
cooking the oil quite nicely (we are changing it every 25hrs). Anyone know
where I can get some longer csk screws for the bottom of the cowl?
Peter
G-MFHI
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| Subject: | Swaging those cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
I cut mine with a bolt cutter no tape - nuffink - worked fine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Swaging those cables
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
All thgose grinding wheels and cutoff appliances seem like a lot
of trouble. I used masking tape around the wire, centred about the expected
cut. Then, thanks to advice from an old hand in the trade, gave it a quick
whack with a small hammer and a 2-inch chisel against pig-iron. It then slid
conveniently into the hardware and peeled the tape since it would be covered
by transparent heatshrink ( to honour the inspector) and then a second
coloured heatshrink for coding and finish. Not an electric tool in sight.
Happy landings,
Ferg
PS: ....all in Crixbinfield as Bob Harrison directs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bish" <DanBish@norwalktucson.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Swaging those cables
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <DanBish@norwalktucson.com>
|
| Jeremy,
|
|
| Give the cable end a brief buffing on your grinder wheel at an angle.
| That'll clean it up so it'll slip right through the hardware.
|
|
| Dan
|
| A144, Tucson AZ
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Access and Mod 70 ...no joke ! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> PS Did I hear correctly that you have some Aussies over there
teaching your
blokes how to play Cricket ?
>Ever hear of the Rugby World Cup?
>My understanding, Kingsley, is that they're here learning how to be
gentlemen and sportsmen. The plan is for them to teach your PM what they
learn ready for when you next host the Rugby World Cup Final :-)
Well I must not have heard correctly hey ? Thought you would have
forgotten that Rugby fluke by now !!
Do not archive
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Replacing Rotax starter |
mk-nntest-1.uk.intranet
autolearn=no version=3.0.2
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
I am in the process of installing the XS firewall forward spec to my Classic.
I can see no reason why the starter cannot be removed with the engine in
situ. This is another reason to upgrade from the Classic spec as to remove
the starter on a Classic means removing the engine mount frame as well as
removing the engine - not easy if the starter lets you down away from main
base.
Nigel Charles
>>Inquiring minds would like to know:
>>Can the Rotax 912S starter on an XS mono-wheel be replaced with the
>>Heavy Duty one without removing the engine?
>>
>>regards,
>>Terry Seaver
>>A135 / N135TD
Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/
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| Subject: | LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Nooooooo! ACS(E) are no more, dead, deceased, pushing up the daisies...
LCS have struck a deal with ACS where you CAN (not MUST!) buy ACS parts from
them, ACS ship to LCS twice a week, LCS then forward your bits to you...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1390 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAS taking on ACS orders in the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> LAS are Light Aero Spares. I usually do as you do - go direct via the ACS
> Web Site and take delivery when in the US on business (about 6 times a
> year).
>
> Unfortunately every so often I need a small part or two reasonably
quickly,
> so LAS are the only option I know. They're utterly incompetent, in my
> experience - so them taking over the ACS(E) arrangements is something of a
> concern!
I didn't know ACS (E) had any such arrangements. In the
past I havee ordered through ACS (E) and the stuff has
been delivered direct. Has this changed ? As I, the
customer, am paying the individual shipping charges from
ACS to me I don't see the advantage to ACS of delivering
via LAS, especially if there are large mark-ups by the
middle man.
Are you saying that if you order from ACS via the web-site
and put your address in as the UK the delivery is shipped
to LAS who then on-ship it to you ? Thus incurring two
lots of delivery charges, and of course the certainty of
being charged VAT ?
If you do this - does the web-site tell you that there is
a middle man in the process ?
All ACS deliveries come with a "Tell us how well we
processed this order" postcard. Perhaps a few of these
returned to ACS with negative comments about the
involvement of LAS would change their minds.
Actually my experience of LAS for stuff in their catalogue
is quite reasonable. I ordered a water/fuel separator
funnel once which came with ACS stickers but at a price
less than the ACS catalogue price - (old stock ??)
Richard
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