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1. 12:08 AM - Equipment needs (ctsmallwood)
2. 12:51 AM - Re: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" (William Mills)
3. 12:51 AM - Re: Water flow (William Mills)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Equipment needs (Paul McAllister)
5. 06:40 AM - May 21 2005 Benton, Kansas USA (Mike Baker)
6. 07:36 AM - Things not to say : ( (EuropaForum)
7. 09:47 AM - Re: where to get 914 Semi Synthetic oil in US? (Paul McAllister)
8. 10:08 AM - Rotax Engines (Trevpond@aol.com)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Things not to say : ( (Paul Boulet)
10. 12:00 PM - Semi - synthetic oil (John & Paddy Wigney)
11. 05:52 PM - Re: Airmaster AC200 manual switch? (karelvranken)
12. 07:19 PM - Red Rockets (Cliff Shaw)
13. 07:33 PM - Good Rotax information, free and user friendly! (Ronald J. Parigoris)
14. 07:54 PM - Rotax Magnetic drain plug, Torx Plus not Torx (Ronald J. Parigoris)
15. 07:55 PM - All these access hatches and one "viewing" hole (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
16. 09:04 PM - Re: Rotax Engines (Paul Boulet)
17. 11:08 PM - SUNDAY 8th MAY -- DOTH (William Mills)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com>
Hi All
In the market for Headsets and a Rotax Tacho gauge
I will pay fair price and collect costs
Regards
Colin Smallwood
Kit 232
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing" |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Just to let you all know how Mod 70 installation went at Wombleton
yesterday.
Mine was the first one for Nev, so it took a little longer than necessary
and was a learning exercise for us both.
First it is a two man job and it would be easier for XS Europas than
Classics without the luggage bay extension (like mine).
Nev cut the cables close to the weight in case they were needed in future,
which was very fortuitous, because the weight was rubbing firmly on the port
side rubbing guide. As you could feel it through the stick and it felt
awful, we used the stb cable to pull the arm to the centre. It was
sufficient to tension the cable by hand and clamp it to the arm using a
jubilee clip through the access panel. It worked fine and the control feels
as before. No need to reduce the weight of the counter balance.
This first one was quite a struggle, but Nev intends to make up several
special tools which would make it a much easier exercise. With these tools,
Nev considers it should take no more than 2 hours.
Very many thanks to Neville, because I could never have done it myself. I
think I would have expired in the attempt.
If you are considering asking Nev to help you, please give him a few days
notice, because he is very busy.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 -- "thin, agile and willing"
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
>
> > > I'm worrying about finding a thin agile person willing and able to go
> > > down
> > > the back with a spanner (wrench!)
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Tim Houlihan ( one of the early ones!)
> >
> > Tim!
> > - and when you are finished with him - please wrap him up and send him
> > to Denmark in a hurry!
> > We have planned some serious flying for the next months.....
> > Regards Gert
>
> To the elderly, perhaps portly and less agile of us,
> I have found someone who will come to our rescue. He is not exactly thin,
> he is not exactly long, he is younger, he more agile and most importantly,
> he is very willing to crawl down the tail end of our Europas to fit Mod
70.
> "Who is he?" I hear you ask; well he is our one and only NEV.
> Seriously though, Nev is setting up a production line at Wombleton, with
all
> the necessary cushions, special tools and know-how to whip your old ones
out
> (balance arms) and put the new ones in. For those in need, may I suggest
> you call him on 01751 432850, or 07951141890.
> Good luck and best wishes,
> William
> Do not archive.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Richard,
There should be a reduced pressure in the return pipe from the radiators to
the water pump, so that sucks water from the stb side carb heater the small
pipe should be connected very near to the pump to maximise the depression)
Coolant flows from the port carb heater which is fed from the exit from No 1
cylinder, which should be hot. The trick is to ensure all the air is
evacuated from the carb heaters and associated pipes and make sure the carb
heaters get as hot as the No 1 cylinder return pipe. Hope that helps.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water flow
> --> Europa-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Cliff Shaw wrote:
>
> > The way I figured it out, the water is on its way back
> > when it goes to the little pot with the radiator cap.
> > That is the way I plumed up my "skydrive" carb heaters
> > .
>
> Rob Housman wrote
>
> > The "Operator's Manual for all versions of Rotax 914"
> > page 9-1 of version Dec 01/98 has a diagram (Fig. 4) at
> > the bottom of the page showing that the coolant flows
> > from the water pump UP to the cylinder heads, up to the
> > expansion tank, down to the radiator and back to the
> > pump.
>
>
> Thanks guys - you have confirmed what I thought. Which
> begs the question about the installation instructions for
> the carb heaters.
>
> As instructed the water starts from the water pump, goes
> through the starboard side carb, then through the port
> side carb and then to the header tank.
>
> HOWEVER. I see the starboard side as being the hotter side
> as the airflow is restricted by pipes and also by the oil
> dry sump tank, which itself is very hot. So the starboard
> side has a heat advantage already over the port side. So
> why doesn't the hotter water from the water pump get
> directed to the port side first and THEN to the starboard
> side ?
>
> I mention this as, even with the carb heat kit fitted, I
> am still getting the minor slight hiccups which I was
> getting before the kit was fitted and which I have decided
> (maybe wrongly) is carb icing. Today the outside temp was
> about 12 degrees C and I got the hiccups. I shall do some
> careful tests, recording ambient temps, carb body temp,
> and oil and CH temps in the cruise after settling down to
> see if there is any consistency about it.
>
> The hiccups are quite minor but I hate to hear anything
> which is not a continuous note from the engine.
>
> Richard
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment needs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Colin,
I have a Rotax tach, UMA Manifold pressure, EHT & CHT gauge if you
interested.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Equipment needs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com>
>
> Hi All
> In the market for Headsets and a Rotax Tacho gauge
> I will pay fair price and collect costs
> Regards
> Colin Smallwood
> Kit 232
>
>
>
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| Subject: | May 21 2005 Benton, Kansas USA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
It's time to help us celebrate the opening of the new
FBO! Please help us get the word out to as many
pilots as possible.
At 7AM it's a free all you can eat Breakfast.
Throughout the day we'll have Aviat Husky Performance
demonstrations by the best factory authorized dealer
in the lower 48, Diamond aircraft demonstration
flights, Cessna Aircraft on display, Vintage aircraft
fly-bys and Stearman charity rides piloted by an
astronaut/test pilot. If we have enough interest from
those that want to test their take-off and landing
skills, we'll have a short field take-off/landing and
spot landing contest in the afternoon.
At 5 we'll start serving the $5 a plate BBQ dinners
with all the fixens.
And around 7 or so, the Classic Rock Band will carry
us through the evening.
If you need a place to stay overnight, we have plenty
of wings you can sleep under and even a few hangars if
you're afraid to sleep outside.
We hope you can spend all day or at least part of the
day with us. It's gonna be fun!!!
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| Subject: | Things not to say : ( |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Over the years I've shared things that went well with the project and
things that didn't.
Here's a tip, "Don't try this at home!"
So far 2005 has been unproductive with the project. I've been away
from home for months at a time. Working extra hours at the mill. So a
lot of things have suffered along with the build. My wife has
declared Wednesday "date night" so that at least one night a week we
see each other and catch up. So this Wednesday it was, what are we
going to do? I really wanted to work on the gear. She suggested
dinner and some quite time at home. Great I said, "after dinner we
can come home and play Amelia Earhart and the nasty airplane
mechanic". With a coy smile she said "how do we do that?". (Here it
comes). I said, Here's what we do. I go in the garage and work on the
plane, and you get lost............. oh come on, that was funny!
dammed couch is lumpy.....
Steved
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: where to get 914 Semi Synthetic oil in US? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Rotax have recently added Pennzoil motorcycle oil to there recommended list.
It is a semi synthetic with a gear box additive. I got it from
http://www.oil-store.com/
Kerry at Lockwood aviation did express some concern about the Valvoline Dura
Blend coking up the turbocharger bearings, but I haven't seen anything
formally form Rotax on this.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Hi all,
Just come back from Nev Eyre's Workshop where he did the initial engine run
on a friends 914 Engined Europa. Oil system was pressurised, pulled through
by hand and then the engine started on the third blade! Temps and
pressures were perfect over half an hour up to 3000 rpm.
Nev's comment: "Why do people p***s about with any other engine? Look at
that, straight out of the box and it start's third blade!"
Trev Pond
Kit 598
being painted!
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| Subject: | Re: Things not to say : ( |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
That was VERY funny lol
Paul Boulet, N914PB....been there, done that!
do not archive
--- EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum
> <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
>
> Over the years I've shared things that went well
> with the project and
> things that didn't.
> Here's a tip, "Don't try this at home!"
>
> So far 2005 has been unproductive with the project.
> I've been away
> from home for months at a time. Working extra hours
> at the mill. So a
> lot of things have suffered along with the build. My
> wife has
> declared Wednesday "date night" so that at least one
> night a week we
> see each other and catch up. So this Wednesday it
> was, what are we
> going to do? I really wanted to work on the gear.
> She suggested
> dinner and some quite time at home. Great I said,
> "after dinner we
> can come home and play Amelia Earhart and the nasty
> airplane
> mechanic". With a coy smile she said "how do we do
> that?". (Here it
> comes). I said, Here's what we do. I go in the
> garage and work on the
> plane, and you get lost............. oh come on,
> that was funny!
>
> dammed couch is lumpy.....
>
>
> Steved
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Semi - synthetic oil |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Ron,
FWIW, I have used the Rotax recommended semi-synthetic Valvoline
Durablend 10W-40 from day 1. I buy it at my local Autozone store. I
change it at the recommended 50 hour intervals and it is apparently
doing its job since the oil is always quite grey with lead in
suspension. Most of my running time is with 100LL.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 400 hours
Mooresville, North Carolina
<<<<<<<
Time: 04:46:34 AM PST US
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: where to get 914 Semi Synthetic oil in US?
Rotax SI-18 recommendation for 914UL that will use 100LL once in a while is a semi
synthetic SG motorcycle oil with gear additive.
What brand is available and from where in US?
I saw on CPS site they offer AV-9, but also read that it had shown some foaming
in testing and was supposed to be reformulated.
Lockwood recommends mobile 1 MX4-T, and change it at 25 hours, but that is a pure
synthetic.
For most part I will probably use mogas, but on trips, 100LL.
thx. Sincerely Ron Parigoris
>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster AC200 manual switch? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
And Cliff, most of us who appreciate your contribution to the list are only
amateurs. Even though the red rockets under the wings of Wile E Coyote look
very impressive; I think there is no market for armament of our peaceful
bird.
What's in a word?
With great affection and friendship.
Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster AC200 manual switch?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Thx. Terry and Cliff
>
> I had in mind:
> To verify operation before take off
> Go Course to keep things cool on ground
> When making long, shallow fast descents, go course
> When fooling with favorite hold settings (manual switch controls hold as
well)
> Since not sure best way to warm motor after in-flight start with a cold
motor, it
> will be played with in both hold and manual mode
> I read the manual, and seems if the AC200 quits, for any number of
reasons, the
> manual switch will get a workout
> I forget just how useful the Manual switch is for Feather/Unfeather
operations.
> I am not sure if Course will make for an easier air start, which will
require
> manual
>
> Cliff admits "Just my opinion. Remember "I am an armature"
>
> I am far worst, just a ARMCHAIR READER!
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Karel
Thanks for the kind words. I seem to spend too much time in front of this
computer now that my Europa is flying. (If the wind and clouds would go
away I would be flying)
The rockets made for a lot of fun the first time I showed the plane. It had
only 10 hours on it and Bob and I parked side by side. Wile E. Coyote and
RoadRunner. I don't think there will me much need for them any more now
that Bob is flying a Moonie. (different class)
There was a mod that we talked about that made machinegun noise over the
radio when you pressed a button. I never got around to building it, even
though I got every thing ready for it. I am not the "Killer" type, I guess
!!!!
Thanks again and I will keep reading Email and answering question when I
can.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
do not archive
> And Cliff, most of us who appreciate your contribution to the list are
> only
> amateurs. Even though the red rockets under the wings of Wile E Coyote
> look
> very impressive; I think there is no market for armament of our peaceful
> bird.
> What's in a word?
> With great affection and friendship.
> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL
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| Subject: | Good Rotax information, free and user friendly! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I downloaded all the information from Kodiac. It is not very user friendly,
you really have to study and organize to make sort of sense of it in
practical terms.
I just stumbled on some easy to read and understand Rotax speak.
go to
www.sportpilot.org/
then type in their search box:
rotax power on phil lockwood
For those a bit computer compromised, click on View as HTML and you can look
quick at what the result contains, then click your back button and click PDF
to download, then you can print from there
Worth the read on the March 2005 getting started on the right Horsepower
even though it pertains to 2 strokes, at least read on the exhaust basics.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Rotax Magnetic drain plug, Torx Plus not Torx |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
For what it is worth, looking at a 912S Magnetic plug, I noticed the shape of
the points did not look like traditional torx. It looked a little like my Dads
old work on IBM Selectric typewriter Bristol wrench teeth, kinda sortta
squarish.
I looked up on http://www.mcmaster.com/
search torx plus
result torx plus socket bits.
Yup that's it.
You can use regular torx T-40 but it will apply 25% less torque.
On the 912S I looked at, the IP-40 should be a perfect fit. Snap-On sells them
as well.
"Use Torx-Plus bit sockets for increased surface contact and 25% more
torque on Torx-Plus fasteners. Sockets are heat-treated, chrome-plated alloy
steel and have black or gray bits. Note: These are compatible only with
Torx-Plus fasteners."
You can use a Torx on a torx Plus fastener, but not vise versa.
I don't know if all Rotax 4 strokes come with them, but I suspect the new 914UL
does. Someone said he thought on 912 Katanas, they just used allens, just
repeating what i heard.
Warm up motor, even heat case with heat gun to get loose first time, (aluminium
expands more than steel) could even give the plug a good whack to break it free
a bit.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | All these access hatches and one "viewing" hole |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
E builders and riders:
I am muddling through chapter 23 right now. Busy cutting out the access
hatches and the "viewing hole" in the rear of the fuselage. I'm considering the
hole locations and how "handy" they really are in their stated locations.
One of the main reasons I think they are necessary is for the replacement of
the trim motor. < Adjustment of the balance weight as well to be sure>
The ability to replace the trim motor has always been a concern of mine.
Knowing full well that all things electrical can give up the ghost. In addition,
a
few of you fine lads have already had the pleasure of replacing and or
fiddling with said motor.
The way I see it, the task of servicing the trim motor would still be
impossible with the access holes cut per manual instructions. The viewing hole
appears to be much too small to get a hand or screwdriver in our the motor out!
The forward hatch is too far away. At this time, I have no idea why the lower
hatch is even necessary.
Am I missing something here? Have any of you considered enlarging the
viewing hole for easier access to the things that will need future attention?
Perhaps I am missing some revelation a few chapters away?
You comments and wisdom please!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engines |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Wellllll...in the U.S. a 914 Rotax now will set you
back some $25,000.... that's a boatload of money!
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Europa XS with Rotax 914, Malibu,
California
flying off 30 more of the requisite 40 hours
--- Trevpond@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just come back from Nev Eyre's Workshop where he did
> the initial engine run
> on a friends 914 Engined Europa. Oil system was
> pressurised, pulled through
> by hand and then the engine started on the third
> blade! Temps and
> pressures were perfect over half an hour up to 3000
> rpm.
>
> Nev's comment: "Why do people p***s about with any
> other engine? Look at
> that, straight out of the box and it start's third
> blade!"
>
> Trev Pond
> Kit 598
> being painted!
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | SUNDAY 8th MAY -- DOTH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi All DOTHers,
There will be a DOTH to Lands End today for anyone who would like to join us.
Free landing voucher in "Flyer".
Meet for lunch at about 12.30 for 13.00.
Best wishes,
William
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