---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/09/05:16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - Fw: Air-Britain Fly-In 2005 (Rowland Carson) 2. 12:58 PM - Through the firewall (Mike Gamble) 3. 01:34 PM - Re: Through the firewall (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 4. 02:05 PM - Help with oil hose (N55XS) 5. 02:17 PM - rudder stops (Raimo Toivio) 6. 04:52 PM - Re: rudder stops (N55XS) 7. 04:59 PM - Top On! (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 8. 06:16 PM - Waht is your favorite way of locking door? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 9. 07:05 PM - Re: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? (Cliff Shaw) 10. 07:10 PM - Re: Top On! (Cliff Shaw) 11. 07:25 PM - Re: Help with oil hose (Craig Ellison) 12. 07:41 PM - Re: Through the firewall (Cliff Shaw) 13. 08:48 PM - Re: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? (Fergus Kyle) 14. 09:17 PM - Re: Help with oil hose (N55XS) 15. 10:03 PM - Re: Top On! (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 16. 11:07 PM - EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold (Gerry Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:33 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Air-Britain Fly-In 2005 --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson Forwarded FYI: >From: "Philip Kemp" >Subject: Air-Britain Fly-In 2005 >Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:35:11 +0100 >Status: U > >AIR-BRITAIN CLASSIC FLY-IN > >NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD > >18-19 June 2005 > > >Dear PFA Strut and PFA associated type-group Secretaries, > > >Air-Britains, the worlds leading aviation >historian and enthusiasts association (see >) is holding its >26th Classic aircraft Fly-In at North Weald over >the weekend of 18-19 June 2005 (see >www.air-britainflyin.co.uk) > > >This year for our main theme we are marking the >70th anniversary of the Boeing PT13 Stearman and >the 60th anniversary of the first flights of the >Beech V35 Bonanza, Cessna 120/140 and Pitts >Special. With our "Classic" title we would also >like as many aircraft that fall under the >"Classic" heading to join us for our event. > > >While we have personally invited the owners of >the above types from across Europe to join us we >are pleased to welcome any aircraft and its >occupants - we do not discriminate by age or >nationality, either of aircraft or aviators! >Air-Britain would therefore like to extend an >open invitation to all your members to our event. > > >Airborne arrivals are STRICTLY PPR and arrival >arrangements must be made in advance through The >Squadron/North Weald Flying Services on 01992 >524510 > > >As usual, we will be offering our traditional >friendly hospitality for both days and a number >of awards will be given out to visiting >aircraft. Catering will be available all day and >on Saturday evening a Giant stir-fry meal is >being cooked on site, so why not stay over and >enjoy the hospitality of the Squadron. Basic >overnight camping facilities are available for >those wishing to stay for the weekend and we >have also put reservations on some rooms at the >nearby Harlow Moat House Hotel. Details of local >accommodation is available from our website. > > >Our annual Fly-In has established a reputation >for being a friendly event that brings together >pilots, enthusiasts and historians to exchange >experiences and knowledge in a relaxed >atmosphere. We sincerely hope that you and your >colleagues will be able to join us and also help >us show that there continues to be an aviation >need for the development-threatened North Weald >airfield. > > >I would be grateful if you could communicate >this invitation and publicise our event to your >members. If you or any of your members require >any further information please do not hesitate >to contact me on the numbers below. > > >Many thanks for your cooperation and I hope you >and your members can join us in June. > > >Yours sincerely, > > > Phil Kemp > >Air-Britain Fly-In Director > > >Telephone: 01376 344441 (after 8pm weekdays please) > >E-mail: philipdkemp@btinternet.com I guess the Classic theme excludes the XS ........ :-) regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:02 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Europa-List: Through the firewall --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" To those that have done it from those that are trying to do it. Is there another place to mount the fuel pump to avoid feeding pipework back to the baggage bay then forward again? How have people routed the fuel pipe from the pump to the engine ? Manual says run the pipe under the brake cylinder forward but this would put it too close to the wheel and the flap tube. Why should we mount the battery in the stb compartment of the baggage bay and then route the cables up the port side to the panel? How are you running the battery cables forward? How do we get the fuel pipes and the cables through the firewall? Help. Mike Gamble XS 440 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Through the firewall From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Mike, Please see my answers inline; Terry Seaver A135 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gamble Subject: Europa-List: Through the firewall --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" To those that have done it from those that are trying to do it. Is there another place to mount the fuel pump to avoid feeding pipework back to the baggage bay then forward again? Answer: We stuck with the factory suggested locations. How have people routed the fuel pipe from the pump to the engine ? Manual says run the pipe under the brake cylinder forward but this would put it too close to the wheel and the flap tube. Answer: We stuck with the factory suggested routing, as I recall. We deviated from this initially, then had to redo it to the suggested locations when we fit the air brake lever for the long wings. Why should we mount the battery in the stb compartment of the baggage bay and then route the cables up the port side to the panel? How are you running the battery cables forward? Answer: We mounted the battery under the stb baggage bay access panel, routed 4-gauge wire up the stb side to a mechanical contactor on the rear face of the passenger head rest, and then on up the stb side to the bolts in the stb side of the firewall (see below on the bolts). We used a mechanical contactor rather than a contactor relay to save 1 amp of precious electrical power budget. How do we get the fuel pipes and the cables through the firewall? Answer: The fuel lines run forward thru the tunnel, then through a hole or slot in the stainless piece of the firewall that you fabricate for the area between the footwells. Using the factory wiring option, the 4-gauge battery cables come up the starboard side of the fuselage to the firewall, where they connect to copper (or brass?) bolts/nuts thru the firewall, with 4-gauge wires on the engine side connecting to the starter relay (+) and one of the engine mounting bolts (-). Connecting to the bolts on the inside are lugs for the 10-gauge wires for the +12V and ground to the panel. Help. Mike Gamble XS 440 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:46 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Europa-List: Help with oil hose --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS I'm having trouble finding the "conti" oil tube called for in the engine manual. Apparantly Rotax no longer ships the hose with the engines. Anyone have a source, part number or specs on this hose? All help appreciated... -- Jeff A055 Trying to finish the engine installation... Waiting on a prop -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:25 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: rudder stops --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Hi All! I want to establish my rudder stops. The rudder movement should be 30-32 degrees per side. Noticed it is not easy to measure accurately: I have made templates, calculated triconometrically, completed geometric examinations etc but not happy enough. Have you got any perfect but human way to do it? Thanks, Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417, 1044 hours so far OH-CVK OH-BLL 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:47 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder stops --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Raimo Toivio wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" > >Hi All! > >I want to establish my rudder stops. >The rudder movement should be 30-32 degrees per side. >Noticed it is not easy to measure accurately: >I have made templates, calculated triconometrically, >completed geometric examinations etc but not happy enough. > >Have you got any perfect but human way to do it? > >Thanks, >Raimo M W Toivio > >OH-XRT #417, 1044 hours so far >OH-CVK >OH-BLL > >37500 Lempaala >Finland >tel + 358 3 3753 777 >fax + 358 3 3753 100 >gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > >raimo.toivio@rwm.fi >www.rwm.fi > > > > Raimo, I don't know about perfect, but here's what I did. I took a 2x4 and stapled a piece of cardboard to it, then drew a line down the center. Using a protractor, I drew lines, each side, tangent to the center line, at 30 and 32 degrees. I then positioned the 2x4 under the aft end of the fuse, arranging the gizmo so that the board ran the center line of the fuse and the line intersections at the rudder hinge area. Swung the rudder each way and added the stops. Pretty simple, in application... -- Jeff - A055 Finishing engine installation Waiting on a prop Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:33 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Top On! --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Good day all, Well, I was going away for a three week vacation and really wanted to have the top on before I left so it would have the three weeks to cure undisturbed. Got all the last minute things done that I had planned to do. With the help of my wife and son (home from Iraq for good) we went through all the moans and groans but got the top on successfully. Now I come home, start going through the 300+ Europa Forum emails and see this Mod 70 thing pop up! Might I suggest to the powers that be, that if something like this is in the pipeline, maybe put out an advisory about the nature of the problem while you are still working on it so that people can adjust their schedule, or not, with this in mind. Anyway, the top is on. I will decide what to do about the Mod 70 later. For now I want to ask a question in order to not redo things later. After the top is on, we are supposed to put re enforcing BID strips from the seat up the sidewall to the door frame in order to spread out the stress from the landing gear. The instructions call for two plies of BID over a 7 mm piece of fitted foam. This would cover the bolt heads of the front wing bracket. So a simple question.....Wouldn't the sidewall be stronger without the foam? What am I missing? Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Top on....but too late for Mod 70! Damn! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:16 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" What is your favorite way of locking your door on europa? I kinda like the idea of using a pip pin on the right door, where does it go? Between the inner handle and guard? I do have a set of locks from John Hurst, but they are kinda cheesy, have read that if someone leverages the handle hard when locked by the rear pushrod it does bad things. Any thoughts on using a torx safety set screw (Torx with pin in center, not many folks happen to have one) that lives in the handle, and when you want to lock, just screw it into a hardpoint in door? thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:11 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Door Locks Now this is a new topic !!!!!! I abide by the theory that a "bad guy" will get in anyway. The locks system I make is the type that makes the good guys stay out. The bad guys will get in by braking some thing anyway. I installed key lock units that rotate a bar inside the door 90 degrees. This bar blocks the movement of the shoot bolt. The door handle feels stiff and is not going to move without a very heavy pull. Thus the good guy will not get in !!!! Just a note: Here in the USA, the TSA has made several attempts to require us to have two locks / security devises on our planes. My door locks are the second. The hanger door lick is the first. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > What is your favorite way of locking your door on europa? > > > thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:09 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top On! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Mike I thought the idea was to make this a structural thing. Like the hull of our plane, the foam core is a way to get a stronger structure with less weight. I know that 2 ply of foam on each side of the foam is much stiffer than 4 ply alone. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > Wouldn't the sidewall be stronger without the foam? What am I > missing? > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > Top on....but too late for Mod 70! Damn! > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Help with oil hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" Jeff, I had the same question when I couldn't find the "conti" oil hose. I called Europa and indeed Rotax does not ship engines at least stateside with the tube. Andy said he could ship one but suggested I sourse one on this end which I did at my local Napa store with much cost savings. craig ellison A205 working through FWF ----- Original Message ----- From: "N55XS" Subject: Europa-List: Help with oil hose > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > > I'm having trouble finding the "conti" oil tube called for in the engine > manual. Apparantly Rotax no longer ships the hose with the engines. > Anyone have a source, part number or specs on this hose? All help > appreciated... > > -- > Jeff A055 > Trying to finish the engine installation... > Waiting on a prop > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:51 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Through the firewall --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Mike The fuel pump and gas collator could be installed in the tunnel if you are building a trigear. On a Mono, the fuel lines run nicely in the top corner of the tunnel. They will have to go into the Engine compartment through the Stainless Steel unless you bring them inside the cockpit and then through the firewall with a bulkhead fitting. I did it both ways, first through the SS on Bob's Mono, and then into the cockpit at the very front of the tunnel and then through the firewall. This last method allows for a very nice way to connect the engine fuel hoses to a solid fitting. Battery Not everyone puts the batter in the back. I have mine in the engine compartment ware it belongs. Yes it moves the CG foreword. That is not all bd. The way my plane came out, it would take a very heavy load of baggage to get an aft CG. I don't think a foreword Cg is bad. Most Europas require nose down trim when in cruse anyway. Remember, I am "amanature builder" Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > To those that have done it from those that are trying to do it. > Is there another place to mount the fuel pump to avoid feeding pipework > back to the baggage bay then forward again? > How have people routed the fuel pipe from the pump to the engine ? > Manual says run the pipe under the brake cylinder forward but this would > put it too close to the wheel and the flap tube. > Why should we mount the battery in the stb compartment of the baggage bay > and then route the cables up the port side to the panel? > How are you running the battery cables forward? > How do we get the fuel pipes and the cables through the firewall? > Help. > Mike Gamble > XS 440 > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:35 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" I think my first 'barrier' is a magnetic release. Somewhere about a foot back of the top back corner of the door will be a secret spot where a magnet sits, ready to flip a relay which permits the door lever to turn. Its companion magnet is in the palm of my hand, so that when I unobtrusively lean on the spot to turn the lever, my hand sits just where the magnet is. I will palm the hand magnet. A buddy uses these to release the headrest panels and says they have no effect on the compass......... Anyway that's the plan. Ferg A064 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Waht is your favorite way of locking door? | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" | | | Door Locks Now this is a new topic !!!!!! | | | I abide by the theory that a "bad guy" will get in anyway. The locks system | I make is the type that makes the good guys stay out. The bad guys will get | in by braking some thing anyway. | | I installed key lock units that rotate a bar inside the door 90 degrees. | This bar blocks the movement of the shoot bolt. The door handle feels stiff | and is not going to move without a very heavy pull. Thus the good guy will | not get in !!!! | | Just a note: Here in the USA, the TSA has made several attempts to require | us to have two locks / security devises on our planes. My door locks are | the second. The hanger door lick is the first. | | | Cliff Shaw | 1041 Euclid ave. | Edmonds, WA 98020 | 425 776 5555 | http://www.europaowners.org/WileE | | | > What is your favorite way of locking your door on europa? | > | > | > thx. | > Ron Parigoris | > | > | > | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:25 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Help with oil hose --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Craig Ellison wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > >Jeff, > >I had the same question when I couldn't find the "conti" oil hose. I called >Europa and indeed Rotax does not ship engines at least stateside with the >tube. Andy said he could ship one but suggested I sourse one on this end >which I did at my local Napa store with much cost savings. > >craig ellison >A205 > Craig, thanks for the response. Do you have any specs (type) for the hose you bought? Is it a high pressure hose, brade reinforced, etc? I have no idea what, exactly I'm looking for... Jeff - A055 Finishing up on engine install Waiting for a prop Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:25 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top On! --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Cliff, I just looked at the top panel for the wing and realized what they are going for with the foam core. Now I understand the concept. As a side note, are you going to be at Arlington this year? My wife and I are doing a loop trip up through Oregon, Washington, Canada, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Nevada, and back to Calif. So we decided (I decided, she'll come along) to stay at Arlington for the whole show. I hope to see a few Europas while there. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Top On! Now going forward by working in the aft portion of the fuselage. I am so glad I built that shelf behind the BB bulkhead. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Hi! Whilst waiting to lose weight for Mod 70 I decided to do something constructive.....well maybe! I=B9ve assembled the EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold Module that was talked over a couple of years ago and after classic errors in polarity of capacitors and diodes have a Unit that no longer self destructs. It=B9s now time to upload the Basic programme but I have Comm errors. I=B9ve connected the programming port to BS2 pins 1 to 4 via D9 socket. Some questions: Should I get any indication on Unit that it is really alive? (Volts all present) Any peculiarities regarding the Programme Port handshaking? Is anyone using the Unit and is it worth the trouble in a Europa? Many Thanks Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com