Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:04 AM - Re: rudder stops (Raimo Toivio)
2. 08:05 AM - Re: ammeter wiring (Fred Fillinger)
3. 11:58 AM - pin holes (Paul Stewart)
4. 12:16 PM - Re: Top On! (Rowland Carson)
5. 12:37 PM - Re: Top On! (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 01:31 PM - Re: Through the firewall (Mike Gamble)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: pin holes (Stephan Cassel)
8. 03:50 PM - Re: pin holes (Paul Boulet)
9. 04:18 PM - Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold (Garry)
10. 04:19 PM - Re: pin holes (N55XS)
11. 04:29 PM - Looking for a prop (N55XS)
12. 04:30 PM - Re: pin holes (JEFF ROBERTS)
13. 06:03 PM - Re: pin holes (SPurpura@aol.com)
14. 07:28 PM - Re: pin holes (Steve Hagar)
15. 10:19 PM - Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold (Gerry Holland)
16. 11:39 PM - Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: rudder stops |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
I got yesterday a tip to look for
Europa News #39 page 14
and heureka there it was:
The perfect but human way to check
rudder travel. I completed it at once
and it took only 5 minutes to do the job.
I know accurately my rudder movings,
they are about symmetrical and am
happy enough now.
I recommed this Andys simple but
effective method for everyone.
Raimo
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417, 1047 hours so far
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder stops
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
>
> Dear Raimo,
> If you move the rudder an equal 30 out of the center line to both sides,
> than you have a bigger surface exposed to the airstream at the starboard
> side. Interesting to calculate and more than that is to consider what effect
> the slipstream and torque of the propeller have in this matter!
> Some thoughts for long winterevenings I think.
> Best greetings,
> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL waiting to execute mod 70.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder stops
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I have got plenty of great answers
> > from almost all the continents - I
> > thank all of you. Also, now I know
> > there must be Europas flying equipped
> > with all sorts of different rudder travels
> >
> > I noticed about 50% think rudder travel
> > should be measured from the centerline
> > and rest of the Europa-people think it
> > should measured via line from the hinge-line
> > to the trailing edge.
> >
> > Some people think it is good when "enough".
> >
> > I think the rudder movement should be
> > symmetrical for aircraft centerline and that is
> > why it is better to imagine the hinge-line is
> > in center.
> >
> > This is an interesting dilemma.
> > Please some public conversation more!
> > Neville - tell us the truth!
> >
> > Many thanks for all of you,
> > Raimo
> >
> > Raimo M W Toivio
> >
> > OH-XRT #417
> > OH-CVK
> > OH-BLL
> >
> > 37500 Lempaala
> > Finland
> > tel + 358 3 3753 777
> > fax + 358 3 3753 100
> > gsm + 358 40 590 1450
> >
> > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
> > www.rwm.fi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N55XS" <topglock@cox.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder stops
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Raimo,
> > > I don't know about perfect, but here's what I did. I took a 2x4 and
> > > stapled a piece of cardboard to it, then drew a line down the center.
> > > Using a protractor, I drew lines, each side, tangent to the center line,
> > > at 30 and 32 degrees. I then positioned the 2x4 under the aft end of
> > > the fuse, arranging the gizmo so that the board ran the center line of
> > > the fuse and the line intersections at the rudder hinge area. Swung the
> > > rudder each way and added the stops. Pretty simple, in application...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff - A055
> > > Finishing engine installation
> > > Waiting on a prop
> > > Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: ammeter wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> ...The directions with the UMA unit say to place the shunt
> between the voltage reg and the + side of the battery.
>
That will tell you whether the battery is being charged, but some may
prefer reading only total load on the bus. However, reading the
latter will not tell you if the battery is discharging because of too
much load vs. RPM. This can be dangerous for IFR at night in
instrument conditions, so I believe reading current in/out of the
battery is the common case in production planes.
In reading system load, even for just day VFR, you may never know when
the day will come the engine won't start at some little airport where
the facilities are closed. Although adding a voltmeter will tell us
something, but that requires interpretation since the voltage reading
can be a function of battery charge condition at any point in time.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'. I have small areas
which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a variety of ploys to
get rid of them:
1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still there
2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they are still there
3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass and starting again -
they are still there
What is particularly irritating is that most of the surface is fantastic
- only small localised areas are affected. Having now spent about 4
months filling and sanding the tail planes alone, the local asylum is
looking more inviting than the work shop. Any suggestions?
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-05-09 19:59 -0400 DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
>got the top on successfully.
>Now I come home, start going through the 300+ Europa Forum emails and see
>this Mod 70 thing pop up! Might I suggest to the powers that be, that if
>something like this is in the pipeline, maybe put out an advisory
>about the nature
>of the problem while you are still working on it so that people can adjust
>their schedule, or not, with this in mind.
Mike - I don't think I have any powers, but I did make a posting
about this some time ago:
At 2004-12-17 12:00 +0000 Rowland Carson wrote:
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:00:07 +0000
>To: Europa e-mail list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>Subject: Europa-List: fitting the fuselage top
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
>I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
>and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
>Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
>
>This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during flight.
>
>I expect there will be some sort of fix recommended (or even
>mandated) for this.
>
>I note some folk recently asking questions like "what should I do
>before sticking the top on?". If you can afford to wait until
>whatever fix is announced before you bond the fuselage top on, you
>might save yourself a lot of uncomfortable wriggling later.
>
>regards
>
>Rowland
>--
>
>| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
>| 740 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
There were several follow-up messages from various people.
Sorry if you didn't notice this at the time.
regards
Rowland
PS yes, the signature lines are correct - I have only managed 10
hours building since then :-(
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Rowland,
Mia Culpa. My Bad. My really big Bad! I guess it's my fault that I didn't
pickup on the very type of post that I asked for. So I guess I'll just swallow
my pride and get on to fixing it.
Thanks for the heads up.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Through the firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Thanks gentlemen. Food for thought and very useful seeing how others meet
the challenge.
Mike
XS 440 mono
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Paul,
When I did the tail plane I used Hibuild primer from SP System +
expancel, not too much just a small portion and a thin steal squeezer.
All pin hole was removed in no time. I did this between primer layers. I
will get rid of
all pin holes before the first primer layer on flaps/aileron/rudder.
If this works with superfil I do not know but with the epoxy/expancel
mixture it works perfect
Hope you get rid of your pin holes.
Stephan.
Engine and instrument panel stage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: pin holes
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'. I have small areas
which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a variety of ploys to
get rid of them:
1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still there
2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they are still there
3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass and starting again -
they are still there
What is particularly irritating is that most of the surface is fantastic
- only small localised areas are affected. Having now spent about 4
months filling and sanding the tail planes alone, the local asylum is
looking more inviting than the work shop. Any suggestions?
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
FWIW I had about 60-70 hours into filling and sanding
the tailplanes- they still are not perfect. I used a
primer after I was satisfied and that filled the
pinholes. don't ask me the brand of primer....it was
one they use at Phoenix Composites.
Paul Boulet, N914PB
"Plane in test flight stage"
--- Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'.
> I have small areas
> which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a
> variety of ploys to
> get rid of them:
>
> 1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still
> there
>
> 2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they
> are still there
>
> 3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass
> and starting again -
> they are still there
>
> What is particularly irritating is that most of the
> surface is fantastic
> - only small localised areas are affected. Having
> now spent about 4
> months filling and sanding the tail planes alone,
> the local asylum is
> looking more inviting than the work shop. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Since I am electronically "challenged", is there any manufacturer out there
who makes an auto pilot altitude hold, with a bolt-on, right out of the box
product? I don't want to have to fiddle with reprogramming the software or
rewiring the circuit boards. I take it the EZ-Trim isn't for me?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Matt
>
> Yes
>
> That is how it works. That is one of the things that made me decide to use
> it. I did not have to add another device to the elevator system.
>
> I have a relay board so the control stick and the EZ Trim operate the
> relays
> and the relays run the motor in the servo. This is required if you
> install
> the EZ Trim . It's output is made to energies relays.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
> ( I should be doing something rather than sitting her righting Email)
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I already have a nice AutoPilot installed, but does not support Altitude
>> Hold (well it can for an extra 1000.00$).
>> If I build one of these EZ trim, would I need to install a new servo? I
>> have a trim servo and its LEDs, and switch all working
>> great. Can the EZ trim also use the same servo? And use the already
>> built in switch as a manual override?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt Carpenter
>> A138
>> Amarillo Texas
>> N138WJ
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Paul Stewart wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
>A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'. I have small areas
>which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a variety of ploys to
>get rid of them:
>
>1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still there
>
>2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they are still there
>
>3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass and starting again -
>they are still there
>
>What is particularly irritating is that most of the surface is fantastic
>- only small localised areas are affected. Having now spent about 4
>months filling and sanding the tail planes alone, the local asylum is
>looking more inviting than the work shop. Any suggestions?
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>G-GIDY
>
>
>
Paul,
I had much the same turmoil, when priming my wings. My solution was to
dab in a little primer with a toothpick. Took forever, but did the job...
--
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| Subject: | Looking for a prop |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Guys and Gals,
I'm currently wrapping up my project and find myself without a prop.
I've decided on the Airmaster, but am on a waiting list which may be two
months or more. I know there are other CS props out there, but I've
decided on the Airmaster, soooo... might there be someone, in the US,
who has upgraded to a CS, who has an old Warp Drive laying around,
gathering dust, that they might be tempted to part with, at a reasonable
price. Thanks in advance...
Do not archive
--
Jeff - A055
Almost there...
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hi Paul,
I too used the epoxy & expancel that came with the kit. I had a lot of
pinholes and used high build primer from PPG called K38. It filled most
of them once I blocked sanded the primer down. What ever remaining ones
left I hit with some thinly mixed expancel and it finished them off.
Another shot of primer then re-sanded with 300 to 400 grit and the
primer looks almost as good as a finish. I've been told the better the
preparation the less paint used and the better the finished paint will
look. All pinholes are gone but not without a lot of effort. Keep at
it, you'll be rewarded with a finish that blows the riveted metal plane
away.
Jeff
A258
Still waiting for the best painter in Tennessee to get freed up!
On May 11, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Stephan Cassel wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel"
> <cassel@sensewave.com>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> When I did the tail plane I used Hibuild primer from SP System +
> expancel, not too much just a small portion and a thin steal squeezer.
> All pin hole was removed in no time. I did this between primer layers.
> I
> will get rid of
> all pin holes before the first primer layer on flaps/aileron/rudder.
>
> If this works with superfil I do not know but with the epoxy/expancel
> mixture it works perfect
>
> Hope you get rid of your pin holes.
>
> Stephan.
> Engine and instrument panel stage
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Stewart
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: pin holes
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'. I have small
> areas
>
> which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a variety of ploys to
> get rid of them:
>
> 1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still there
>
> 2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they are still there
>
> 3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass and starting again
> -
>
> they are still there
>
> What is particularly irritating is that most of the surface is
> fantastic
>
> - only small localised areas are affected. Having now spent about 4
> months filling and sanding the tail planes alone, the local asylum is
> looking more inviting than the work shop. Any suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
IF YOU ARE USING THE SUPERFILL FINISHING SYSTEM,THEN USE THEIR
SUPERPRIME AS IT WILL FILL THOSE PIN HOLES IF YOU
ROLL ON PER INSTRUCTIONS. IT WORKED GREAT FOR ME.
SAM N77EU
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I used the smoothe prime over the superfill by rolling then spraying
thinned smoothe prime over the sanded base. The resulting surface
couldn't be better.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2005 11:56:32 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: pin holes
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> A plea for help from anyone who has used 'Superfil'. I have small areas
> which are riddled with pin holes and have tried a variety of ploys to
> get rid of them:
>
> 1. Filling them with more superfil - they are still there
>
> 2. Using a brushing pin hole filler (Aerodur) - they are still there
>
> 3. Taking all the affected filler back to the glass and starting again -
> they are still there
>
> What is particularly irritating is that most of the surface is fantastic
> - only small localised areas are affected. Having now spent about 4
> months filling and sanding the tail planes alone, the local asylum is
> looking more inviting than the work shop. Any suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Garry Hi!
> Since I am electronically "challenged", is there any manufacturer out there
> who makes an auto pilot altitude hold, with a bolt-on, right out of the box
> product?
Yes and No. The simplicity of the EZ-TRIM approach is that the little box of
electronics controls or tries to hold the height through TRIM Circuit after
pressing a button to hold the altitude at that moment. TruTrak and others
make a great Altitude hold but it needs a Servo added to Tailplane mechanics
and costs about $1800.
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsproducts.html#Altrak
I believe TRIO Systems are also about to start delivery same sort of thing.
Again about $1800. Try: http://www.trioavionics.com/alt_hold.htm
The EZ-TRIM costs $100 and perspiration!
> I don't want to have to fiddle with reprogramming the software or
> rewiring the circuit boards. I take it the EZ-Trim isn't for me?
The EZ-TRIM could be for you if you can get hold of Circuit Board. The
soldering of components needs care and the hardest problem for me was simply
eyesight limited by declining years. Magnifying glass a must! As for the
programming. It's an easy task as the Programme is available and just needs
uploading to Circuit board through a serial port from a programme running on
your PC or Mac. Cliff commented that getting it set up correctly needs a
little effort but we are building a Europa...... that has been challenging a
few times!
Both the Trio and Trutrak look very capable products and with hindsight and
a later start on the build I would have chosen one of them as the Servo
could have been added easier.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder.
PSS AoA Fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
Mobile: +44 7808 402404
WebFax: +44 870 7059985
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-TRIM Altitude Hold |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
So how does one get a hold of an EZ Trim kit? Or schematic?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Top On! Now going forward by working in the aft portion of the fuselage.
I am so glad I built that shelf behind the BB bulkhead.
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