Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 05/19/05


Total Messages Posted: 24



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     1. 02:55 AM - Re: FLYING FOR FUN /PFA Rally, 1st to 3rd July 2005 (G-IANI)
     2. 03:19 AM - First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! (g-self)
     3. 05:44 AM - Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh  (Jim Butcher)
     4. 06:25 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
     5. 06:25 AM - Re: Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh  (John & Amy Eckel)
     6. 07:02 AM - Re: Araldite 420 in the USA? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
     7. 07:23 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (Matthew Carpenter)
     8. 08:12 AM - Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! (Peter Rees)
     9. 08:33 AM - Re: Araldite 420 in the USA? (William Daniell)
    10. 08:41 AM - Overhead Vent Mod? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
    11. 09:03 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (Nigel Graham)
    12. 09:03 AM - Aileron trim motor (Erich Trombley)
    13. 09:28 AM - Mod 70 and turnbuckles (Alexander Kaarsberg)
    14. 09:29 AM - Re: Aileron trim motor (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
    15. 10:18 AM - Re: Overhead Vent Mod? (Gerry Holland)
    16. 10:34 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (Peter Rees)
    17. 11:34 AM - Re: Aileron trim motor (Ronald J. Parigoris)
    18. 12:27 PM - Re: Overhead Vent Mod? (EuropaForum)
    19. 01:03 PM - Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! (R.C.Harrison)
    20. 01:08 PM - Re: Mod 70 and turnbuckles (R.C.Harrison)
    21. 01:57 PM - Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! (Tim Ward)
    22. 03:17 PM - Re: FLYING FOR FUN /PFA Rally, 1st to 3rd July 2005 (Steven Pitt)
    23. 04:46 PM - Re: Mod 70 and turnbuckles (Kingsley Hurst)
    24. 04:51 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Motor (Jim Brown)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:55:26 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: FLYING FOR FUN /PFA Rally, 1st to 3rd July 2005
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> This year we need more volunteer than ever before! Not only do we have our commitment to help Europa(2004) run their stand but demonstration area in the PFA homebuilders tent. EUROPA(2004) STAND The Club will be supplying a display aircraft and Andy and John will be manning the stand. The Club stand is next to the Europa(2004) stand (which is at the end of a row and has plenty of space for display aircraft). The Club would like to provide two people for the period from 11.00 to 17.00 Friday and Saturday and from 11.00 to 16.00 Sunday. So proposed shift are 11.00 - 14.00 and 14.00 - 17.00. With the Europa staff present this should allow everyone time to talk to potential customers and have comfort breaks without feeling too overloaded. For anyone doing three hours or more you will receive a free ticket. Sorry no percentage on sales. If you can help us out, please contact me direct. Please give the hours you would be prefer to work and your home address (needed so tickets can be sent to you). I will then try and work out a timetable and contact all who have volunteered. COMPOSITE CONSTRUCTION DEMONSTRATION AREA Nev Eyre and I will be about to help out but we need are two people at a time to man the stand. So why not do it with a co-builder (or friend if you still have any). If you cannot persuade a friend I will be happy to pair you up with some other suitably insane aircraft builder. The proposed slot are 11.00 to 14.00 and 14.00 to 17.00 (16.00 on Sunday) on each of the three days (but we will try to arrange things to fit your attendance). The task will be to talk to those who visit the stand, answer questions and to demonstrate working in composites. We are not expecting you to be give a lecture on the subject just to talk to those attending about you experience. We will provide some example pieces in various states of construction and we expect to have a composite fuselage (probably a Bambi) that you can show visitors round. We will have available suitable moulds for joystick guards (needed at base of stick for stick boots), overhead cheese wedge panel (with curved sides which fit unlike the factory version) and maybe others. Please let me know if you want to make something else. This is a perfect opportunity for those of you who want to make something small but are deterred by having to buy new epoxy, glass etc. You will get free entry to the Rally (all days + camping if required) for doing a session. You will get to keep the beautiful demonstration piece you produce. Volunteers for less hours will be very welcome but PFA largess will not extend to free tickets. You do not have to make something specific but all the basis material and equipment will be to hand. We do suggest you bring your own gloves (for comfort but we will have disposables available if you forget), face masks, overalls and any favourite mixing sticks etc. Please give the hours you would be prefer to work and your home address (needed so tickets can be sent to you). I will then try and work out a timetable and contact all who have volunteered. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trig ear Europa Club Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk, or direct on g-iani@ntlworld.com 37 Willowmead Close, Woking, Surrey, GU21 3DN. Tel 01483 714096


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    Time: 03:19:08 AM PST US
    From: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com>
    Subject: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> Hi Everyone After 9 years and 1 day since the first entry in our build book (possibly the slowest build on record) our Europa G-SELF finally took to the sky at Lydd Airport early yesterday afternoon 18/05/2005 in the very capable hands of Steve Lamb (G-EMIN). It is powered by the Jabiru 3300 with a Jabiru 48" pitch 62" prop. This prop is probably a bit fine so it is likely to be swapped for a courser pitch prop at a later date. It lept off the ground and appeared to climb at a vast rate. As you may know we had struggled with engine cooling ( as have many others with this engine) and only a total redesign of the cooling duct system has pretty much fixed the problem. We now have plenums as is typical for aero engines rather than ram air ducts. We are pretty happy with the results with just a small improvement needed on CYL2. Hopefully a small deflector will bring it in line with the others. It was pushing the redline on climb out. Steve figured that he would take off with the intention of performing just a circuit unless he was confident with the head temps on the downwind. Once downwind he was happy that everything was as it should be and took her up to about 3000' to do some stall tests. He appeared very happy with the performance of the aircraft and so having done some upper air work, performed 2 touch and go's before landing. After landing and checking all the connectors under the cowling, he flew it back to Rochester where it is based. We will keep you updated of all the performance figures as we carry out the complete test schedule. So I would like to thank, in no particular order, our inspector Don Foreman and the PFA, Europa Aircraft staff, Jabiru Australia and ST aviation, Steve Lamb our test pilot along with my build partners Nick Crisp and Bill Lams and everyone of you who helped and gave support either in person or online on this forum. And you know, it IS all worth it! Cheers Eddie Hatcher G-SELF Europa Classic with XS mods Powered by Jabiru 3300 South East London Flying Group G-SELF, South East London Flying Group Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk


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    Time: 05:44:10 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> I have scheduled a Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh. EAA has assigned us Tuesday, July 26 from 4:00 pm to 5:15 pm in Plaza 02. There is no particular program, just a chance for questions and answers and sharing of experiences. Hope to see you all there. Jim & Heather Butcher A185


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    Time: 06:25:40 AM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Funny fuel gauge
    --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 5/18/2005 4:16:16 PM Central Standard Time, peter.rees05@ntlworld.com writes: We had the Avalec capacitance gauge - by their own figures, it could give errors of 10% plus from one type of avgas to another and 50% plus if you use Mogas. 50% error?!!! And how is this better than the factory sight tube? Has anyone else had this problem with the Princeton model? I had planned on ordering mine this month! < It's always something> Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 06:25:40 AM PST US
    From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> Thanks Jim, I look forward to seeing you there. John Eckel, A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> > > I have scheduled a Europa Builders Owners Forum at Oshkosh. EAA has > assigned us Tuesday, July 26 from 4:00 pm to 5:15 pm in Plaza 02. There > is no particular program, just a chance for questions and answers and > sharing of experiences. > > Hope to see you all there. > > Jim & Heather Butcher A185 > > >


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    Time: 07:02:48 AM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Araldite 420 in the USA?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Mike: While at Sun N Fun I spoke with Andy and the rep at AeroPoxy. < You will have to contact then for the name as I cant remember :)> They have a new adhesive that Andy is in the process of testing. It looks promising. In addition there were much longer expiration dates. Dean Sietz has already used this stuff with great results. Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 07:23:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Funny fuel gauge
    From: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com> That brings up a question.. What is the proper way to calibrate the float type? On top are two POTs, a "Full" and an "Empty". I have drained the tank, and set the empty. Then fill the tank and set the full. But, when I empty the tank again, the Empty mark will be way off. Is there an easer way to do this? Matt Carpenter N138WJ Dean Seitz wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com> > >Did you do the calibration on the sensor? After calibrating the gauge >should go to empty then to full and then to the correct level when turned >on. They must be calibrated before they will read correct. > > >Dean Seitz >N284A > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sven den Boer >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> > >Guys, > >I have a Westach fuel gauge in combination with a Princeton capacitive fuel >level probe. >When switching power on, the fuel gauge gives about 2 seconds of correct >indication and the needle falls back to zero. >Already tried another fuel gauge. > >Any Ideas ? > >Best Regards > >Sven den Boer > > > >


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    Time: 08:12:43 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> Congratulations Eddie, Bill and Nick I thought you were destined to be in the workshop at the back of the hanger until the end of time. The aeroplane looks great - its good to hear that it flies just as well. What did the weight come in at? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> Subject: Europa-List: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! > --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> > > Hi Everyone > > After 9 years and 1 day since the first entry in our build > book (possibly the slowest build on record) our Europa > G-SELF finally took to the sky at Lydd Airport early > yesterday afternoon 18/05/2005 in the very capable hands of > Steve Lamb (G-EMIN). > > It is powered by the Jabiru 3300 with a Jabiru 48" pitch 62" > prop. This prop is probably a bit fine so it is likely to be > swapped for a courser pitch prop at a later date. It lept > off the ground and appeared to climb at a vast rate. > > As you may know we had struggled with engine cooling ( as > have many others with this engine) and only a total redesign > of the cooling duct system has pretty much fixed the > problem. We now have plenums as is typical for aero engines > rather than ram air ducts. We are pretty happy with the > results with just a small improvement needed on CYL2. > Hopefully a small deflector will bring it in line with the > others. It was pushing the redline on climb out. > > Steve figured that he would take off with the intention of > performing just a circuit unless he was confident with the > head temps on the downwind. Once downwind he was happy that > everything was as it should be and took her up to about > 3000' to do some stall tests. > > He appeared very happy with the performance of the aircraft > and so having done some upper air work, performed 2 touch > and go's before landing. > > After landing and checking all the connectors under the > cowling, he flew it back to Rochester where it is based. > > We will keep you updated of all the performance figures as > we carry out the complete test schedule. > > So I would like to thank, in no particular order, our > inspector Don Foreman and the PFA, Europa Aircraft staff, > Jabiru Australia and ST aviation, Steve Lamb our test pilot > along with my build partners Nick Crisp and Bill Lams and > everyone of you who helped and gave support either in person > or online on this forum. > > And you know, it IS all worth it! > > Cheers > > Eddie Hatcher > > G-SELF Europa Classic with XS mods > Powered by Jabiru 3300 > South East London Flying Group > > G-SELF, South East London Flying Group > Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams > Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered > Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk > > >


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    Time: 08:33:44 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Araldite 420 in the USA?
    FILETIME=[756D9270:01C55C88] --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> If you want to go this route there is a really helpful and patient guy in Aeropoxy called Scot Stettler [sstettler@ptm-w.com]. I almost went this route because of not being able to get Araldite in the US. Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420 in the USA? --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Mike: While at Sun N Fun I spoke with Andy and the rep at AeroPoxy. < You will have to contact then for the name as I cant remember :)> They have a new adhesive that Andy is in the process of testing. It looks promising. In addition there were much longer expiration dates. Dean Sietz has already used this stuff with great results. Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 08:41:55 AM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Overhead Vent Mod?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Builders and Riders. I received my Club magazine this week. There was a list of mods that were expected to be or are in the process of being approved for you boys that live across the pond. Of particular interest to me was an over head vent modification. Any information / photos on this would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 09:03:57 AM PST US
    From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
    Subject: Re: Funny fuel gauge
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com> Whoaa there! the facts are getting lost in the "Chinese Whispers". Capacitance gauges can be very accurate but you need to know how they work to get the best out of them. The Avelec, along with all other capacitance probes work by correlating the capacitance at the probe to a given volume of fuel using a programmable "look-up table". This gives another advantage that the fuel indication can be "linearized" to compensate for odd shaped tanks (i.e. the Europa tank). Since different fuels (Mogas, Avgas etc) have different dielectric constants, a capacitance gauge calibrated for one type of fuel will not give the correct reading if a different fuel is used - and that is the %age "error" quoted by Avelec. Get water in the tank and the gauge will read zero. If you regularly use the same fuel (as most Rotax drivers tend to) and don't fill up with water too often, you will not have a problem. If you do want the flexibility to change fuels - go for a magnetic-float-and-reed-switch type gauge. Either is preferable to the sight tube "attitude indicator" (IMHO of course ;-) Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 5/18/2005 4:16:16 PM Central Standard Time, peter.rees05@ntlworld.com writes: We had the Avalec capacitance gauge - by their own figures, it could give errors of 10% plus from one type of avgas to another and 50% plus if you use Mogas. 50% error?!!! And how is this better than the factory sight tube? Has anyone else had this problem with the Princeton model? I had planned on ordering mine this month! < It's always something> Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 09:03:57 AM PST US
    From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
    Subject: Aileron trim motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com> Mike wrote: "Wanted to make sure my placement is right before I cut the skin dig and out the blue foam to set the motor for the aileron trim. Starboard aileron, MAC servo unit, between weights but closer inboard, 2" X 8" tab extending up, 18 gauge wire, with power cutoff switch on the panel." Mike, I would suggest locating the trim tab and motor on the port wing. This allows for visual inspection of tab position during flight, thus eliminating the need for position indicator gauge in the cockpit. Also I ran 20 AWG wire instead of 18 AWG as it is lighter and their is not a lot current. I also dispensed with the cutoff switch on the panel. The plane is easily managed with full aileron trim in either position thus if you encounter runaway trim it is no big deal. Saves with the wiring, hardware, and weight. As I am at work at the moment so I am unable to verify the tab dimensions although that seems to be close to what I have. Closer inboard is preferable due to the increased thickness of the aileron (easier to install the motor). Well that's my two cents. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono - 914 Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today!


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    Time: 09:28:21 AM PST US
    Received-SPF: pass (moroto.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.154.55.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.154.55.144; envelope-from=kaarsber@terra.com.br; helo=terra.com.br; (authenticated user kaarsber)
    Subject: Mod 70 and turnbuckles
    From: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br> For all those turnbuckle fans out there, has anybody ever thought about how much tension you can put on those wires just by turning the turnbuckle with one hand? There is no way of seeing how much tension is on it, other than playing guitar with the cables and I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more said on this from the factory...at least you can't overtension them when pulled by hand?? Alex, kit 529- apparently dormant while waiting for engine to materialise...


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    Time: 09:29:09 AM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Aileron trim motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Hi Erich, With the motor on the port wing, then the actuator rod being on the underside of the aileron would have to pull the tab down in order to compensate for no passenger? Am I right in my thinking? Is this as effective as a clean tab being pushed up on the starboard aileron? Mike Duane


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    Time: 10:18:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Overhead Vent Mod?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> Brian Hi from UK Paddy Clarke and I borrowed the design for this from Nigel Charles. It is an excellent facility with cool air duct out from eyeball Vents at point of need.....the head!!! I'll post some photos that will help manufacture. Paddy did his after 4 years of flying G-KIMM and made an excellent job with no peripheral damage to paintwork! Wont be long. Having some food! Regards Gerry


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    Time: 10:34:31 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Funny fuel gauge
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com> Thats exactly the problem we had. Problem is that the gauge was calibrated for Avgas - when we changed to Mogas, the gauge said that the tank was always 3/4 full. If we had it re-calibrated for Mogas, when out touring, we would have to put Avgas in and hence, have no reliable fuel indication. I think that if this type of gauge is fitted, the AC should be placarded to warn the pilot that the reading on the gauge may be wildly in accurate. The Europa float gauge is already corrected for non linearity due to the tank shape (by the position of the reed switches) and seems to work a treat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" > <nigel_graham@btclick.com> > > Whoaa there! the facts are getting lost in the "Chinese Whispers". > Capacitance gauges can be very accurate but you need to know how they work > to get the best out of them. > The Avelec, along with all other capacitance probes work by correlating > the > capacitance at the probe to a given volume of fuel using a programmable > "look-up table". This gives another advantage that the fuel indication can > be "linearized" to compensate for odd shaped tanks (i.e. the Europa tank). > Since different fuels (Mogas, Avgas etc) have different dielectric > constants, a capacitance gauge calibrated for one type of fuel will not > give > the correct reading if a different fuel is used - and that is the %age > "error" quoted by Avelec. Get water in the tank and the gauge will read > zero. > > If you regularly use the same fuel (as most Rotax drivers tend to) and > don't > fill up with water too often, you will not have a problem. > If you do want the flexibility to change fuels - go for a > magnetic-float-and-reed-switch type gauge. > > Either is preferable to the sight tube "attitude indicator" (IMHO of > course > ;-) > > Nigel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/18/2005 4:16:16 PM Central Standard Time, > peter.rees05@ntlworld.com writes: > We had the Avalec capacitance gauge - by their own figures, it could give > errors of 10% plus from one type of avgas to another and 50% plus if you > use > Mogas. > > > 50% error?!!! And how is this better than the factory sight tube? Has > anyone > else had this problem with the Princeton model? I had planned on ordering > mine this month! > < It's always something> > > Brian Skelly > Texas > Europa # A276 TriGear > See My build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > >


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    Time: 11:34:06 AM PST US
    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: Re: Aileron trim motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello Mike I am not flying short wings yet. I talked to factory a while ago, and they thought the place for a trim would be outboard on the aileron. I did not get an answer why. I liked the idea of cutting up the aileron where there is little torsional force. (At root you need to transmit full aerodynamic force of aileron the the control horn, not my first choice where to cut out structure. that said i see a number of folk flying who seem happy doing this). I put on the port wing so can eyeball position. I made it a hinge that is 10 inches long, and rounded the edge so it fairs a bit right to the tip of the wing. This may be a little less aerodynamic effective, but hurting someone walking by is a lot less likely. I used a small ray allen servo, it is the one without a indicator. What i did was flush mounted the servo with the aileron, where the bottom of the servo will be painted and will be the cover all in 1! It just so happens when you mount the servo in this fashion the angle is pretty straight push to the tab horn. I have switch/switches on stick for pitch, roll and prop with ability to transfer from pilot to co-pilot. Side note, a bit off subject, but when wiring my pitch and roll, i will incorporate electric motor braking. Easy to do, just connect the 2 leads going to motor and you have brake! OK here is how you do it: (BTW supplied switch that i will not be using from europa can do this) You start with 2 SPDT switches. Connect the motor leads to the comm. Now connect + to both NO, and (-) to both NC. Got it?? Motor leads both connected to ground when you release switches (Brake). If you push both switches at the same time, both motor leads connected to + (Brake), push 1 switch and motor will run 1 way, push other switch and motor will run the other way. Ron Parigoris A-265 N4211W monowheel


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    Time: 12:27:24 PM PST US
    From: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Overhead Vent Mod?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > I'll post some photos that will help manufacture. Thanks Gerry, The photos are now at: http://www.europaowners.org/RoofVents Chat later, Steved


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    Time: 01:03:28 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Congratulations Eddie and associates. So pleased you have now made it and that it looks good on "P's and T's" It would be a bonus to fly G-PTAG alongside and compare performances with your prop and my MT CS Version. I'll be watching your space for details ! Have you "ramped" the intake to cyl #2 ? that may help the whole of the port side bank? regards Bob Harrison MKI Europa /Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of g-self Subject: Europa-List: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> Hi Everyone After 9 years and 1 day since the first entry in our build book (possibly the slowest build on record) our Europa G-SELF finally took to the sky at Lydd Airport early yesterday afternoon 18/05/2005 in the very capable hands of Steve Lamb (G-EMIN). It is powered by the Jabiru 3300 with a Jabiru 48" pitch 62" prop. This prop is probably a bit fine so it is likely to be swapped for a courser pitch prop at a later date. It lept off the ground and appeared to climb at a vast rate. As you may know we had struggled with engine cooling ( as have many others with this engine) and only a total redesign of the cooling duct system has pretty much fixed the problem. We now have plenums as is typical for aero engines rather than ram air ducts. We are pretty happy with the results with just a small improvement needed on CYL2. Hopefully a small deflector will bring it in line with the others. It was pushing the redline on climb out. Steve figured that he would take off with the intention of performing just a circuit unless he was confident with the head temps on the downwind. Once downwind he was happy that everything was as it should be and took her up to about 3000' to do some stall tests. He appeared very happy with the performance of the aircraft and so having done some upper air work, performed 2 touch and go's before landing. After landing and checking all the connectors under the cowling, he flew it back to Rochester where it is based. We will keep you updated of all the performance figures as we carry out the complete test schedule. So I would like to thank, in no particular order, our inspector Don Foreman and the PFA, Europa Aircraft staff, Jabiru Australia and ST aviation, Steve Lamb our test pilot along with my build partners Nick Crisp and Bill Lams and everyone of you who helped and gave support either in person or online on this forum. And you know, it IS all worth it! Cheers Eddie Hatcher G-SELF Europa Classic with XS mods Powered by Jabiru 3300 South East London Flying Group G-SELF, South East London Flying Group Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk


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    Time: 01:08:11 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Mod 70 and turnbuckles
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Alexander. You make a good point however I'd suggest common sense should prevail and test the arm for side load feel as you tighten. However should any wear occur it will always be caused by compression of the arm and wear will ensue towards the "more metal scenario" rather than making the bolt hole surround less and closer to the "fresh air" end of perspective! There was no signs of wear as to how my turnbuckles were tightened originally. As an aside when my original arm was removed the only sign of distress was that the main tube drive end was crushed out of round due to it having been tightened with the stiff nut blind so who knows when to stop in that respect? I have made provision to include a solid core in the drive end of the new rod so when tightening it can't be crushed. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Kaarsberg Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 and turnbuckles --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br> For all those turnbuckle fans out there, has anybody ever thought about how much tension you can put on those wires just by turning the turnbuckle with one hand? There is no way of seeing how much tension is on it, other than playing guitar with the cables and I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more said on this from the factory...at least you can't overtension them when pulled by hand?? Alex, kit 529- apparently dormant while waiting for engine to materialise...


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    Time: 01:57:52 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Congratulations Eddie and colleagues. Great feeling and achievement. Enjoy the flying as it's a real sports aircraft! Cheers, Tim from downunder Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> Subject: Europa-List: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! > --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> > > Hi Everyone > > After 9 years and 1 day since the first entry in our build > book (possibly the slowest build on record) our Europa > G-SELF finally took to the sky at Lydd Airport early > yesterday afternoon 18/05/2005 in the very capable hands of > Steve Lamb (G-EMIN). > > It is powered by the Jabiru 3300 with a Jabiru 48" pitch 62" > prop. This prop is probably a bit fine so it is likely to be > swapped for a courser pitch prop at a later date. It lept > off the ground and appeared to climb at a vast rate. > > As you may know we had struggled with engine cooling ( as > have many others with this engine) and only a total redesign > of the cooling duct system has pretty much fixed the > problem. We now have plenums as is typical for aero engines > rather than ram air ducts. We are pretty happy with the > results with just a small improvement needed on CYL2. > Hopefully a small deflector will bring it in line with the > others. It was pushing the redline on climb out. > > Steve figured that he would take off with the intention of > performing just a circuit unless he was confident with the > head temps on the downwind. Once downwind he was happy that > everything was as it should be and took her up to about > 3000' to do some stall tests. > > He appeared very happy with the performance of the aircraft > and so having done some upper air work, performed 2 touch > and go's before landing. > > After landing and checking all the connectors under the > cowling, he flew it back to Rochester where it is based. > > We will keep you updated of all the performance figures as > we carry out the complete test schedule. > > So I would like to thank, in no particular order, our > inspector Don Foreman and the PFA, Europa Aircraft staff, > Jabiru Australia and ST aviation, Steve Lamb our test pilot > along with my build partners Nick Crisp and Bill Lams and > everyone of you who helped and gave support either in person > or online on this forum. > > And you know, it IS all worth it! > > Cheers > > Eddie Hatcher > > G-SELF Europa Classic with XS mods > Powered by Jabiru 3300 > South East London Flying Group > > G-SELF, South East London Flying Group > Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams > Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered > Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk > > >


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    Time: 03:17:42 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: FLYING FOR FUN /PFA Rally, 1st to 3rd July 2005
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Count me in Ian. I shall be at the show all 3 days so fit me in where necessary. Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: FLYING FOR FUN /PFA Rally, 1st to 3rd July 2005 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> > > > This year we need more volunteer than ever before! > > Not only do we have our commitment to help Europa(2004) run their stand but > demonstration area in the PFA homebuilders tent. > > EUROPA(2004) STAND > > The Club will be supplying a display aircraft and Andy and John will be > manning the stand. The Club stand is next to the Europa(2004) stand (which > is at the end of a row and has plenty of space for display aircraft). The > Club would like to provide two people for the period from 11.00 to 17.00 > Friday and Saturday and from 11.00 to 16.00 Sunday. So proposed shift are > 11.00 - 14.00 and 14.00 - 17.00. With the Europa staff present this should > allow everyone time to talk to potential customers and have comfort breaks > without feeling too overloaded. > > For anyone doing three hours or more you will receive a free ticket. Sorry > no percentage on sales. > > If you can help us out, please contact me direct. Please give the hours you > would be prefer to work and your home address (needed so tickets can be sent > to you). I will then try and work out a timetable and contact all who have > volunteered. > > > COMPOSITE CONSTRUCTION DEMONSTRATION AREA > > Nev Eyre and I will be about to help out but we need are two people at a > time to man the stand. So why not do it with a co-builder (or friend if you > still have any). If you cannot persuade a friend I will be happy to pair > you up with some other suitably insane aircraft builder. The proposed slot > are 11.00 to 14.00 and 14.00 to 17.00 (16.00 on Sunday) on each of the three > days (but we will try to arrange things to fit your attendance). > > The task will be to talk to those who visit the stand, answer questions and > to demonstrate working in composites. We are not expecting you to be give a > lecture on the subject just to talk to those attending about you experience. > We will provide some example pieces in various states of construction and we > expect to have a composite fuselage (probably a Bambi) that you can show > visitors round. We will have available suitable moulds for joystick guards > (needed at base of stick for stick boots), overhead cheese wedge panel (with > curved sides which fit unlike the factory version) and maybe others. Please > let me know if you want to make something else. This is a perfect > opportunity for those of you who want to make something small but are > deterred by having to buy new epoxy, glass etc. > > You will get free entry to the Rally (all days + camping if required) for > doing a session. You will get to keep the beautiful demonstration piece you > produce. Volunteers for less hours will be very welcome but PFA largess > will not extend to free tickets. > > You do not have to make something specific but all the basis material and > equipment will be to hand. We do suggest you bring your own gloves (for > comfort but we will have disposables available if you forget), face masks, > overalls and any favourite mixing sticks etc. > > Please give the hours you would be prefer to work and your home address > (needed so tickets can be sent to you). I will then try and work out a > timetable and contact all who have volunteered. > > > Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trig ear > Europa Club Mods Rep > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk, or direct on g-iani@ntlworld.com > 37 Willowmead Close, Woking, Surrey, GU21 3DN. Tel 01483 714096 > >


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    Time: 04:46:39 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: Mod 70 and turnbuckles
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> > For all those turnbuckle fans out there, has anybody ever thought about how much tension you can put on those wires just by turning the turnbuckle with one hand? There is no way of seeing how much tension is on it, other than playing guitar with the cables and I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more said on this from the factory...at least you can't overtension them when pulled by hand?? Alex, Your comments are quite true but just remember that turnbuckles are MADE FOR TIGHTENING CABLES and are used in thousands of aircraft for just this purpose. In almost all cases, it would be possible to over tighten these cables but good engineering practices ensure they are not. Also consider that on the Europa, every bolt and nut can also be over tightened and I'm sure there are many that have been. Has no one ever crushed a piece of plywood, a piece of foam laminate, deformed a metal tube or stripped a thread in their lifetime ? In the case of the mass balance weight cables and turnbuckles, as with everything else, common sense should prevail and the turnbuckles should only be used to obtain enough tension to centre and restrain the arm. It is a disappointment to me that those with turnbuckles who advocated the retaining of the cables on Mod 70 were seen as being ANTI Mod 70 rebels. This was simply not true but to each his own I guess. Regards Kingsley


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    Time: 04:51:07 PM PST US
    From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Trim Motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> Mike I put mine on the left side, to make it easy for me to see. I find I always take a look at it before takeoff.( My son flies the the plane a lot and he trims differently than I do). Jim Brown N398JB DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good day All, > > Wanted to make sure my placement is right before I cut the skin dig and out > the blue foam to set the motor for the aileron trim. Just for level flight > when no passengers. The Forum archive has a lot of discussion but couldn't find > placement info. And Bob Jacobson's website isn't up any longer. > > Starboard aileron, MAC servo unit, between weights but closer inboard, 2" X > 8" tab extending up, 18 gauge wire, with power cutoff switch on the panel. > > Kind feedback gratefully accepted. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > Top On! Now going forward by working in the aft portion of the fuselage. > I am so glad I built that shelf behind the BB bulkhead. >




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