---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/21/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 AM - Re: Re: Funny fuel gauge (G-IANI) 2. 02:11 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (G-IANI) 3. 02:52 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (John Cliff) 4. 04:40 AM - Re: Funny fuel gauge (Ronald J. Parigoris) 5. 05:22 AM - Re: It finally got it's papers!! (Dean Seitz) 6. 07:17 AM - Pre-Oiling (EuropaForum) 7. 08:36 AM - Re: Pre-Oiling (Gerry Holland) 8. 09:22 AM - Re: Pre-Oiling (Gilles Thesee) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: Tyre fitting tips (Rowland Carson) 10. 04:01 PM - Re: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! (Rowland Carson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:47 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" Yes you need to flow meters on a 914. Fuel flow down the return line is controlled by the valve that the flow and return pipes connect to. You cannot measure the fuel going to the engine so you need to measure the flow and the return to get the difference which is what the engine is using. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear 914 Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Carpenter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter Did you have to put two fuel flow meters on your EIS?? I called them, and they said because it's a 914 and has return fuel that I needed two of them. Matt Carpenter ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:06 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" I have to agree with Simon. Mod 60 explicitly states that the sight gauge is to be retained. If you deletes the sight gauge a) you did not read the instruction and b) technically your permit to fly is invalid. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith Subject: RE: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" The pdf for mod 60 (fuel gauge) seems to suggest that it is not sufficient to only have the float gauge and that a second method of verification is required. See item 10 at http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2060.pdf Regards Simon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:44 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > So why now insist on two means of checking ? The traditional reason for requiring a secondary fuel gauge to a capacitance gauge, as I understand it, is that a capacitance gauge requires a supply of elecricity (which is not infallible) and that the embedded electronics are more or less complex and possibly prone to failure. I can't see that this implies that two gauges are needed in principle, regardless of type or that the PFA would drift to this opinion. A valuable back-up gauge we don't have, but many birds do, is the ability to peer into the top of the tank to see what's there. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:48 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Funny fuel gauge --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" "A valuable back-up gauge we don't have, but many birds do, is the ability to peer into the top of the tank to see what's there." Required or not, IMHO it is prudent to have a sight gauge to verify you are full. I have a Monowheel with fuel drains aft of the tank. I will have my sight gauge plumbed off the right drain up the right to the top ending at filler. Easy for left seat to see. Ron Parigoris A-265 N4211W ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:26 AM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: It finally got it's papers!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" Duane I didn't have any inspections while building. I had an eaa tech counselor come out and weigh it and look it over before I called for inspection. I had a DAR inspector do the final inspection. He checked for control movement and basically just looked over the engine and the rest of the plane. He had a woman filling out the papers and the whole thing took about 30 minutes. He said he does quite a few Europas. He just did another one in Zellwood FL the day before. I don't know who's it was though. Don't know about first flight yet. I'm gonna take it to the airport and do the running and the taxie testing first. I was gonna get John Hurst to do the first flight but he moved to Texas now. I have been flying the Diamond DA20 Eclipse which is close in flying to the Europa to get used to this type of plane. The first flight will be a couple weeks from now so I'll decide what I'm going to do by then. Dean -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: It finally got it's papers!! --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Dean, Did you have a DAR inspector for your project while you were building? What did the Inspector really look for during his inspection? How are you going to handle your first flight? Who will do it, is what I'm really asking? Still a ways away but curious. Mike Duane Redding, CA XS Conventional Gear ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:15 AM PST US From: EuropaForum Subject: Europa-List: Pre-Oiling --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum I was wondering what the clan thinks of pre-oilers? We installed one on the Cozy but the unit is BIG and heavy. I found this cursing the web. http://www.accusump.com/acc_products/acc_units.html The units are fairly small with no pumps or motors. I emailed the company and asked about installing on a rotax 914 or 912S and they said "yes this has been done many times,you will need to tap into a main oil galley, you can put a sandwich adapter between the oil filter or tap directly into the block." I will email Rotax dealer next, but thought this might be especially good for you turbo guys. Turbos take a beating until the oil get up to pressure... Chat later, Steved ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pre-Oiling From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Same site as Pre-Oilers. For those who cannot get that oil hot enough? http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/oil_cooler_thermostats/oil_cooler_thermo stats.html Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:02 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pre-Oiling --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee EuropaForum a crit : >--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum > >I was wondering what the clan thinks of pre-oilers? We installed one >on the Cozy but the unit is BIG and heavy. I found this cursing the web. >http://www.accusump.com/acc_products/acc_units.html >The units are fairly small with no pumps or motors. I emailed the >company and asked about installing on a rotax 914 or 912S and they >said "yes this has been done many times,you will need to tap into a >main oil galley, you can put a sandwich adapter between the oil >filter or tap directly into the block." I will email Rotax dealer >next, but thought this might be especially good for you turbo guys. >Turbos take a beating until the oil get up to pressure... > > Hi all, I'm wondering, how do you intend to install this system ? In a Rotax oil is SUCKED through the radiator before entering the oil pump, contrary to ordinary engines where oil is DRIVEN through the radiator downstream of the oil pump. I'm still puzzled as to how the donut thing could work in a Rotax where there is no radiator line near the oil filter. Any additional details ? If cold temperature is a problem, why not change to a lighter grade oil as per the Rotax book, and close the cowl flap ? To date we've had no problems starting at -10Celsius and warming up with a 914. Of course I've kept idling with flap closed until oil reaches 40-50C. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France 380 kg MCR 4S four seater, 157 kt TAS with Rotax 914 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:53 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tyre fitting tips --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-05-20 21:38 -0500 Paul McAllister wrote: >I have to fit a new inner tube to my monowheel. The tyre is a >McCleary airtrack and I seem to recall some folks having trouble >with the inner tubes pinching. I didn't do anything special first >time around, but I thought I'd ask. Paul - I've not had any experience yet of the Europa inner tube, but for us bicycle types who operate up around 80 PSI (5.5 bar) our biggest friend at tube re-fitting time is talcum powder. Coat the tube well with it to reduce friction. I generally apply just a few strokes of the pump before fitting, just enough to keep the tube in shape without really pressurising it. That helps to avoid getting anythin trapped between tyre & rim. Hope that helps. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 | 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:53 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight for G-SELF Completed!!!!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-05-19 10:18 +0000 g-self wrote: >our Europa >G-SELF finally took to the sky Eddie - congratulations and thanks for the comprehensive first-flight report. Only one thing more, can I have the empty weight for the record, please? regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website