---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/28/05: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - The Annual E-Mail plea (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: The Annual E-Mail plea (John & Amy Eckel) 3. 07:22 AM - The Annual E'mail Plea (Vaughn Teegarden) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO (William Mills) 5. 09:39 AM - Robert Henderson AWOL (Rowland Carson) 6. 10:02 AM - Re: The Annual E-Mail -Archive (Bryan Allsop) 7. 10:27 AM - DOTH Suggestions ? (Alan Burrows) 8. 10:30 AM - Mod70 update from the Factory (davebuzz) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: The Annual E-Mail -Archive (Matt Dralle) 10. 11:48 AM - UK Ferry Flight required Sun/Mon to Kemble (Tim Butterworth) 11. 01:36 PM - Kit No 15 Flies at Last (Edward Gladstone) 12. 02:07 PM - Re: The Annual E-Mail plea (NevEyre@aol.com) 13. 02:11 PM - Fw: Kit No 15 Flies at Last (Rowland Carson) 14. 02:22 PM - Let me think... (Fergus Kyle) 15. 02:38 PM - Re: Let me think... (Rowland Carson) 16. 03:11 PM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO (Duncan McFadyean) 17. 08:33 PM - Re: Let me think... (Fergus Kyle) 18. 11:17 PM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO (William Mills) 19. 11:52 PM - Re: Kit No 15 Flies at Last (Steven Pitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 05/28/2005 09:01:52 AM, Serialize complete at 05/28/2005 09:01:52 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Gentlemen(mostly) I applaud the recent triumph over both the forces of evil greed and corporate inertia. Could we all please stop quoting entire prior emails (which in turn quote prior emails, etc) lest our stacks overflow and expose yet another vunerability. Seriously, the size of the digest is getting enourmous and the fraction of new information getting vanishingly small. Thank you! Ira N224xs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:24 AM PST US From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" The best way to reduce the amount of stuff that is archived that is not necessary is to add do not archive to your email. John, A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > Gentlemen(mostly) > > I applaud the recent triumph over both the forces of evil greed > and corporate inertia. > > Could we all please stop quoting entire prior emails (which in turn > quote prior emails, etc) lest our stacks overflow and expose yet another > vunerability. Seriously, the size of the digest is getting enourmous > and the fraction of new information getting vanishingly small. > Thank you! > > Ira N224xs > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:01 AM PST US From: "Vaughn Teegarden" Subject: Europa-List: The Annual E'mail Plea clamav-milter version 0.80j on cassiopeia --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" HEAR! HEAR! Is there an easy way for the computer illiterate and lazy to copy the subject line to a new message so that the aforementioned need not resort to the "reply" button. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA XS mono Ready to bond top but waiting for Mod 70 Working on panel, Parts in hand ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:10 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" Duncan has proposed a DOTH on Sunday to Truro which is the Devon Strut Fly-in. We should have the best of the weather in the west. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Venues > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > > Really sorry about that William. I did change it on Monday night, but the > e-mails seem to have a delay in getting through sometimes. It certainly > caused a problem with this one. > > How about you doing one next week? > > Cheers Bryan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Mills" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: The price of Bacon Butties > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > > > > > Hi Bryan, > > I'm afraid you changed the DOTH venue too late for Rick Morris and me. We > > went to Panshanger as arranged and enjoyed a very pleasant and healthy > > lunch. I can confirm, as previously reported by Paddy, that the > > restaurant > > and menu at Panshanger is very good and I have to say is much better than > > at > > Enstone. > > How many went to Enstone? > > Best wishes, > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bryan Allsop" > > To: > > Subject: Europa-List: The price of Bacon Butties > > > > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > > > >> > >> Sorry Fergus! The exchange rate may not be good, but my bacon butty and > >> coffee cost less than two pounds on Wednesday. > >> > >> Cheers, Dother Bryan. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Fergus Kyle" > >> To: "EUROPALIST" > >> Subject: Europa-List: off topic - PFA > >> > >> > >> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > >> > > >> > Folks - > >> > Those of you involved in the UK in the firm's writhings are > >> > undoubtedly sincere in the intensity of your attitudes. One can sense > > that > >> > readily. > >> > However for those of us (touched or not by Nameless' > >> > indiscretions) who abide on the outer fringes - NA, SA, AFR, ASIA and > >> > AUS - > >> > the results are variously distant, comic, distressing or in one or two > >> > cases, infuriating. Perhaps you can see the attitudes of several > > hundred > >> > fellow builders being affected by an essentially local event - as is > >> > photgraphy for a national publication. > >> > This is countered here by following the DOTH series for the > >> > pleasure of seeing good friends enjoying their hundred-pound > >> > butties........ > >> > which distance may stifle here. > >> > Nevertheless, please consider making your campaign on > >> > another > >> > URL, or at least on a lesser address list. This will serve to prevent > >> > polarising a fairly cohesive group - to the detriment of us all. > >> > E&OE > >> > Cheers, Ferg > >> > PS: It appears that PFA is an association which has legal and > > procedural > >> > powers which transcend the term. It is interesting to see the different > >> > impressions various members reveal of the establishment. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:15 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: Robert Henderson AWOL --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson I've just had Robert Henderson's copy of Europa Flyer #44 returned as undeliverable with forwarding expired. He was in Everett, Washington, USA. Robert, if you're on this list, please contact me at - please don't reply to the list - I'm sure they don't all need to know your new address! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:45 AM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail -Archive --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Is it possible to request archiving, rather than "do not archive". That way we would avoid storing any useless chatter without inhibiting the group. Cheers, Bryan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" > > The best way to reduce the amount of stuff that is archived that > is not necessary is to add > do not archive > to your email. > John, A230 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu >> >> Gentlemen(mostly) >> >> I applaud the recent triumph over both the forces of evil greed >> and corporate inertia. >> >> Could we all please stop quoting entire prior emails (which in turn >> quote prior emails, etc) lest our stacks overflow and expose yet another >> vunerability. Seriously, the size of the digest is getting enourmous >> and the fraction of new information getting vanishingly small. >> Thank you! >> >> Ira N224xs >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:06 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Suggestions ? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" As Monday is a bank holiday and the weather looks ok anyone know of a good fly in or place to visit ? Alan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:38 AM PST US From: "davebuzz" Subject: Europa-List: Mod70 update from the Factory --> Europa-List message posted by: "davebuzz" **This message sent as a bcc to Europa Club Members and to the Matronics Europa Email list - You may wish to forward the information to any 'non-internet-enabled' Europans you know** Andy from Europa Aircraft 2004 has requested that the Club pass on the following information. Following representations from several individuals, and based on a design by Roger Cullum and Bob Harrison, EA2004 have agreed to the provision of a 'Spacer with butterfly wings welded on' (best description I can come up with) for those Europa owners who require to retain their cables. The holes in the 'wings' are at a similar length as the present cable setup and the fitting sits behind the weights. This will be an extra chargeable part in addition to Mod70, available on request only. The cost and availability have not yet been finalised, but I would hope that parts would be available within two to three weeks. ************************************** However, Andy advises that you check the Factory website: http://www.europa-aircraft.biz where details will be made available when known. ************************************** To sum up - if you wish to retain your present TP18 cables and turnbuckles when fitting Mod70, you will need to order this 'Cable retainer fitting for Mod70' as an extra item. And whilst I have the opportunity.. The Club AGM, at Kemble (UK) during the PFA Flying for Fun rally, on Saturday 2 July, around 1730 as usual, will I hope be very well attended. I look forward to some useful and practical proposals from Members to help take the Club forward. All the best to you, Dave Bosomworth Europa Club Chairman ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:46 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail -Archive --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle The "Do archive" flag logic has been tried in the past but it proved to be rather useless as almost nobody used it and there were no messages in archive. Everyone needs to just be extra cognizant of their "replying" habits and make sure that they clean up the previous message. This is spelled out specifically in the List Usage Guidelines. Its the law... :-) Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin At 09:54 AM 5/28/2005 Saturday, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > >Is it possible to request archiving, rather than "do not archive". That way >we would avoid storing any useless chatter without inhibiting the group. > >Cheers, Bryan. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:23 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: UK Ferry Flight required Sun/Mon to Kemble From: "Tim Butterworth" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" Evening everyone, For any UK pilots planning on a flight over the bank holiday ..... A long story in terms of changed plans for the weekend, but I have a Europa which is currently sitting at Kemble. I am normally based at Liecester and so I need a hand getting from Liecester to Kemble to pick the plane up. I'll cover the fuel/landing fees if anyone fanices picking me up at Leicester and popping me to Kemble so I can fly back. Obviously very late notice for Sunday but either Sunday or Monday would be fine. Any takers, probably easiest to call me direct on 07879 256094. Regards Tim Butterworth ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:14 PM PST US From: Edward Gladstone Subject: Europa-List: Kit No 15 Flies at Last --> Europa-List message posted by: Edward Gladstone Hi Everyone On the 24th May 2005 our Classic Europa Monowheel G-ZTED finally took to the air at Wombleton in the capable hands of Andy Draper. After 11 years can we claim the record for the slowest build ? Andy stated that she flew beautifully with no adverse tendencies. However, during a few flights to adjust the fine & course pitch stops on the Airmaster prop and to investigate our numerous modifications, ( Different Main Wheel operating lever, Electric Flaps, Electric Outriggers, an adaptation of the Nigel Charles parallel fuel system, Cowl Flaps, Throttle Levers on each side of the cockpit, Third door shoot bolt, Gas Strut containment levers, Secret catches on Oil, & Water inspection doors and Fuel Filler, Long Wing Root Fairings, and a cool air and demist system integrated into the dashboard - - - - - can we also claim the record for the most mods ? ) he started to experience coughing and spluttering from the engine. This always occurred about 1minute after opening the throttle to full power for take off and was accompanied with a massive drop in the EGT on the port side. This could normally be stopped by throttling back slightly and then opening the throttle again and it was OK for he rest of the flight. The spluttering appeared to last longer on each flight despite our checks on the fuel flow and even changing the fuel pump until, on one flight, our heart stopped as we watched him disappearing down behind the trees when the engine did not pick up again. He did, in fact, get it back to the airfield as it eventually picked up out of our earshot and we were able to breath again. The rest of the tests were carried out on the ground at full power with the tailwheel tied to my car. It was eventually solved when I removed the port carb, removed the float chamber bowl and did a fuel flow test by catching the fuel coming out the float needle valve. It was more than adequate but in the bottom of the catch bowl was a tiny chip of what looked like epoxy resin. It had either blocked the flow to the needle valve or prevented the needle valve from closing properly ( after one test the carb had obviously flooded as there was fuel dripping out the drain hole in the bottom of the plenum chamber ) but as to why it only happened after 1 minute at full power and at no other time is still a mystery. A further three flights were carried out on Friday 27th and she performed flawlessly during which I and my co-builder Justin were able to act as on board observers ! ! We returned home to Edinburgh late last night but I am not sure if we have returned to earth yet !!!!! The fuel problem meant that the full test program could not be completed and, as this a Bank Holiday weekend, we will have to return to Kirkbymoorside next week to continue the tests. Those of you still building - - - - stick at it - - - - it's worth it in the end. Ted & Justin ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:43 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Annual E-Mail plea --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Ira [ and Gentlemen] Is this a victory ? The copy of Graham Newby's letter that Mike Parkin shared with us read......''We are listening to the membership and will be sourcing other photo's for the magazine in the future'', He [GN] never said they wouldn't be useing KW 's photo's, just that they would look for others. Also , GN used the company initials of one of KW 's Companies, no mention of KW personally. KW is officially involved in more than 20 Companies, so I am told, so GN has left the way open for photo's to still come from KW via a different route, perhaps without a KW credit? I will only believe it when a statement is published in the PF magazine publically recognising the despicable deeds of KW, and advising the entire P.F.A. Membership of the vetoing of his work. During the next week, I will be making enquiries to see if the constitution of the PFA allows for a member to be permanently barred, if someone proposes that at [ before ?] the AGM, and it is carried by members present ? I am also looking into the ''hire and reward'' aspects of useing Permit, and Private Cat' CAA aircraft for aerial work. Much as I would love to ''interface'' KW's head and a baseball bat, I think there is scope within the legal [ and moral ?] rules and regulations to make it uncomfortable for him, at the very least ! Cheers, Nev. PS Ira, are you still after the R/C plans for a Europa, I found a set ? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:52 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Kit No 15 Flies at Last --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson Good news from Ted Gladstone (who has been so busy he didn't notice the Europa list hasn't been at the address he used for over 2 years ....) >Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:24:25 -0400 >From: Edward Gladstone >Subject: Kit No 15 Flies at Last >Sender: Edward Gladstone >To: Europa List > > >Hi Everyone > >On the 24th May 2005 our Classic Europa Monowheel G-ZTED finally took to >the air at Wombleton in the capable hands of Andy Draper. > >After 11 years can we claim the record for the slowest build ? > >Andy stated that she flew beautifully with no adverse tendencies. >However, during a few flights to adjust the fine & course pitch stops on >the Airmaster prop and to investigate our numerous modifications, ( >Different Main Wheel operating lever, Electric Flaps, Electric Outriggers, >an adaptation of the Nigel Charles parallel fuel system, Cowl Flaps, >Throttle Levers on each side of the cockpit, Third door shoot bolt, Gas >Strut containment levers, Secret catches on Oil, & Water inspection doors >and Fuel Filler, Long Wing Root Fairings, and a cool air and demist system >integrated into the dashboard - - - - - can we also claim the record for >the most mods ? ) he started to experience coughing and spluttering from >the engine. This always occurred about 1minute after opening the >throttle to full power for take off and was accompanied with a massive drop >in the EGT on the port side. This could normally be stopped by >throttling back slightly and then opening the throttle again and it was OK >for he rest of the flight. The spluttering appeared to last longer on >each flight despite our checks on the fuel flow and even changing the fuel >pump until, on one flight, our heart stopped as we watched him disappearing >down behind the trees when the engine did not pick up again. He did, in >fact, get it back to the airfield as it eventually picked up out of our >earshot and we were able to breath again. The rest of the tests were >carried out on the ground at full power with the tailwheel tied to my car. > It was eventually solved when I removed the port carb, removed the float >chamber bowl and did a fuel flow test by catching the fuel coming out the >float needle valve. It was more than adequate but in the bottom of the >catch bowl was a tiny chip of what looked like epoxy resin. It had either >blocked the flow to the needle valve or prevented the needle valve from >closing properly ( after one test the carb had obviously flooded as there >was fuel dripping out the drain hole in the bottom of the plenum chamber ) >but as to why it only happened after 1 minute at full power and at no other >time is still a mystery. > >A further three flights were carried out on Friday 27th and she performed >flawlessly during which I and my co-builder Justin were able to act as on >board observers ! ! > >We returned home to Edinburgh late last night but I am not sure if we have >returned to earth yet !!!!! > >The fuel problem meant that the full test program could not be completed >and, as this a Bank Holiday weekend, we will have to return to >Kirkbymoorside next week to continue the tests. > >Those of you still building - - - - stick at it - - - - it's worth it in >the end. > > >Ted & Justin Hearty congratulations to Ted & Justin! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:38 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Let me think... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Who was it who was crying for a progress photo for a publication? I have one now. Ferg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:25 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Let me think... --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-05-28 17:22 -0400 Fergus Kyle wrote: >Who was it who was crying for a progress photo for a publication? I have one >now. Ferg - welcomes that sort of thing. regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:12 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Just in case anyone is considering this, tonight's F215 says: Outlook for 29/5 12.00Z "Thickening cloud and rain reaching the far SW", despite the otherwise good general situation. Other venues could be PFA strut fly-ins at Shobdon and Redhill. Also Glenforsa (!!). All dressed up and no place to go! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > > Duncan has proposed a DOTH on Sunday to Truro which is the Devon Strut > Fly-in. We should have the best of the weather in the west. > Best wishes, > William > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:42 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Let me think... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" | --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson | At 2005-05-28 17:22 -0400 Fergus Kyle wrote: | >Who was it who was crying for a progress photo for a publication? I have one | >now. | Ferg - welcomes that sort of thing. | regards | Rowland Rowland Your sugestion is my command. Ferg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:17 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" In that case I will go to Shobdon. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 29th MAY - TRURO > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > Just in case anyone is considering this, tonight's F215 says: > Outlook for 29/5 12.00Z "Thickening cloud and rain reaching the far SW", > despite the otherwise good general situation. > Other venues could be PFA strut fly-ins at Shobdon and Redhill. Also > Glenforsa (!!). > All dressed up and no place to go! > > Duncan McF. > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:32 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kit No 15 Flies at Last --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" Well done to you and thanks for the encouragement. As I sat yesterday with fuel dripping down my arms from a leaking fuel strainer I did wonder whether it was really worth it after 7 years! Regards Steve Pitt #403 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Gladstone" Subject: Europa-List: Kit No 15 Flies at Last > --> Europa-List message posted by: Edward Gladstone > > > Hi Everyone > > On the 24th May 2005 our Classic Europa Monowheel G-ZTED finally took to > the air at Wombleton in the capable hands of Andy Draper. > > After 11 years can we claim the record for the slowest build ? > > Andy stated that she flew beautifully with no adverse tendencies. > However, during a few flights to adjust the fine & course pitch stops on > the Airmaster prop and to investigate our numerous modifications, ( > Different Main Wheel operating lever, Electric Flaps, Electric Outriggers, > an adaptation of the Nigel Charles parallel fuel system, Cowl Flaps, > Throttle Levers on each side of the cockpit, Third door shoot bolt, Gas > Strut containment levers, Secret catches on Oil, & Water inspection doors > and Fuel Filler, Long Wing Root Fairings, and a cool air and demist system > integrated into the dashboard - - - - - can we also claim the record for > the most mods ? ) he started to experience coughing and spluttering from > the engine. This always occurred about 1minute after opening the > throttle to full power for take off and was accompanied with a massive drop > in the EGT on the port side. This could normally be stopped by > throttling back slightly and then opening the throttle again and it was OK > for he rest of the flight. The spluttering appeared to last longer on > each flight despite our checks on the fuel flow and even changing the fuel > pump until, on one flight, our heart stopped as we watched him disappearing > down behind the trees when the engine did not pick up again. He did, in > fact, get it back to the airfield as it eventually picked up out of our > earshot and we were able to breath again. The rest of the tests were > carried out on the ground at full power with the tailwheel tied to my car. > It was eventually solved when I removed the port carb, removed the float > chamber bowl and did a fuel flow test by catching the fuel coming out the > float needle valve. It was more than adequate but in the bottom of the > catch bowl was a tiny chip of what looked like epoxy resin. It had either > blocked the flow to the needle valve or prevented the needle valve from > closing properly ( after one test the carb had obviously flooded as there > was fuel dripping out the drain hole in the bottom of the plenum chamber ) > but as to why it only happened after 1 minute at full power and at no other > time is still a mystery. > > A further three flights were carried out on Friday 27th and she performed > flawlessly during which I and my co-builder Justin were able to act as on > board observers ! ! > > We returned home to Edinburgh late last night but I am not sure if we have > returned to earth yet !!!!! > > The fuel problem meant that the full test program could not be completed > and, as this a Bank Holiday weekend, we will have to return to > Kirkbymoorside next week to continue the tests. > > Those of you still building - - - - stick at it - - - - it's worth it in > the end. > > > Ted & Justin > >