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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/28/05 (William Mills)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: The Annual E-Mail plea (Alan Burrows)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: DOTH Suggestions ? (Alan Burrows)
4. 11:01 AM - First flight G-TOPK (David Watts)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: First flight G-TOPK (Duncan McFadyean)
6. 11:39 AM - Re: Fw: Kit No 15 Flies at Last (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 01:22 PM - Build hours (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
8. 01:42 PM - Re: First flight G-TOPK (Rowland Carson)
9. 02:09 PM - Rotax problem (c w)
10. 02:46 PM - Re: First flight G-TOPK (David Watts)
11. 06:05 PM - Re: Build time (KARL HEINDL)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/28/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Ira and Graham,
Unless I am very much mistaken, you have both forgotten to add the phrase
"Do not archive" to your messages, so they will be kept forever!!
In regard to the order of messages, I personally prefer to view the new
message, or response, first and then refresh myself, if necessary, of the
previous message that is being answered. I think it would save time in the
long run.
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/28/05
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> Could we all please stop quoting entire prior emails (which in turn
> quote prior emails, etc) lest our stacks overflow and expose yet another
> vulnerability. Seriously, the size of the digest is getting enourmous
> and the fraction of new information getting vanishingly small.
>
> Ira N224xs
>
> Ira & everyone
> Can I add that it is very tedious scrolling past yards of emails that have
been scrolled past several times before.
> Also unfair on Matt Draille, his stack must be gigantic
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | The Annual E-Mail plea |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Remind me never to upset you Nev..:-)
Alan
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Ira [ and Gentlemen]
Is this a victory ?
The copy of Graham Newby's letter that Mike Parkin shared with us
read......''We are listening to the membership and will be sourcing
other photo's for
the magazine in the future'',
He [GN] never said they wouldn't be useing KW 's photo's, just that they
would look for others.
Also , GN used the company initials of one of KW 's Companies, no
mention
of KW personally. KW is officially involved in more than 20 Companies,
so I am
told, so GN has left the way open for photo's to still come from KW via
a
different route, perhaps without a KW credit?
I will only believe it when a statement is published in the PF magazine
publically recognising the despicable deeds of KW, and advising the
entire P.F.A.
Membership of the vetoing of his work.
During the next week, I will be making enquiries to see if the
constitution
of the PFA allows for a member to be permanently barred, if someone
proposes
that at [ before ?] the AGM, and it is carried by members present ?
I am also looking into the ''hire and reward'' aspects of useing
Permit, and
Private Cat' CAA aircraft for aerial work.
Much as I would love to ''interface'' KW's head and a baseball bat, I
think
there is scope within the legal [ and moral ?] rules and regulations to
make
it uncomfortable for him, at the very least !
Cheers,
Nev.
PS Ira, are you still after the R/C plans for a Europa, I found a set ?
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| Subject: | DOTH Suggestions ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
No sorry none at all, so I just "went local"
Hi Alan,
Got any takers for a Monday Doth?
Bryan
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| Subject: | First flight G-TOPK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Yesterday at 09.30 am Peter Kember made the first flight on his second Europa G-TOPK,
followed by 2 more flights.
This aircraft is a hi-top Tri-gear XS/NG kit no. 1000 (for those unaware, the NG
was to be supplied completely molded, although in the end Pete had to use foam
cored flaps/ailerons/rudder).
The aircraft has a Rotax 912S with Airmaster prop and Grand Rapids EFIS and EIS
and came in at 872 lbs.
As most of you will know Pete had the first customer completed Europa to fly monowheel
G-OPJK which he sold ready to start the build of this new aircraft which
he started at the end of March last year.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
P.S. He got his permit to test from the PFA by return of post from submission of
final inspection paperwork. Well done the PFA, let's hope you can keep it up.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight G-TOPK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
So, NG is to mean "No Glue"?
Duncan Mcf.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: First flight G-TOPK
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
>
> Yesterday at 09.30 am Peter Kember made the first flight on his second
> Europa G-TOPK, followed by 2 more flights.
>
> This aircraft is a hi-top Tri-gear XS/NG kit no. 1000 (for those unaware,
> the NG was to be supplied completely molded, although in the end Pete had
> to use foam cored flaps/ailerons/rudder).
>
> The aircraft has a Rotax 912S with Airmaster prop and Grand Rapids EFIS
> and EIS and came in at 872 lbs.
>
> As most of you will know Pete had the first customer completed Europa to
> fly monowheel G-OPJK which he sold ready to start the build of this new
> aircraft which he started at the end of March last year.
>
> Dave Watts
> G-BXDY
>
> P.S. He got his permit to test from the PFA by return of post from
> submission of final inspection paperwork. Well done the PFA, let's hope
> you can keep it up.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kit No 15 Flies at Last |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Ted & Justin,all,
Congratulations on hanging in there to completion. Now is the time for you
to sit back, in the cockpit of course, and enjoy the fruits of your long
labors.
This brings a question to mind. I know one of the shortest builds was 18
months from a pair of gentlemen just south of me (Terry & Dave) and now we know
what has been the longest, 11 years for you. But I wonder if anyone has an
average time to build? Not only in calendar time but build log. I've been at it
alone for 967 hours over 2 1/2 years. And just got the top on.
Now actually it was my wife that posed the question but I was just wondering.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Top On! Now going forward by working in the aft portion of the fuselage.
I am so glad I built that shelf behind the BB bulkhead.
Do Not Archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Mike,
You wrote re. your build hours:
> - - - -I've been at it alone for 967 hours over 2 1/2 years. And just got
> the top on.
>
Actually, I think you have done well!
I began filling and sanding "some hours ago", having completed all building
but the wing-to-fuselage fairings, and now have 2040 hours over 3 1/2 years.
XS trigear, including all of the factory mods introduced after I purchased
the kit 4 years ago, plus some (among which are cockpit air extraction vent
and BoomBeam landing light in front of lower cowling - will report after
airborn some time next year). My experience is that the private mods (which
are permitted in Norway without CAA approval as long as stucture or flying
characteristics are not compromised - "this is why it is called
'experimental'", they replied to a question I had on one issue recently)
takes much longer time than first envisaged, but are so much more rewarding
to do, too! Should admit, though, that I have saved myself many, many hours
by having had the panel completely outfitted and tested by an avionics shop.
Regards,
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Re: First flight G-TOPK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-05-30 19:00 +0100 David Watts wrote:
>Yesterday at 09.30 am Peter Kember made the first flight on his second Europa
Dave - congratulations to Peter! I'm guessing that Laddingford is a
bit small for first flights - was it at Rochester?
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: c w <pilotcraig2001@yahoo.com>
Hello all
I am usually on the engine and yak list. I have a
friend that has a steme motor glider with a rotax
914 f engine in it. The engine list people said go
here as you guys are the experts in 914.
The problem with this engine is It starts with full
choke on but quites after it is warmed up when you
pull
the choke off. Sometimes i can get it started after
the warm up with the choke off but now it only
produces
about 75 percent power on climb out. If any of you
guys have any suggestions on where to start on trouble
shooting this problem i would apreciate it.
There seems to be noting in the manuals I have
with this airplane.
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Re: First flight G-TOPK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
No, Laddinford was just fine
Dave
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
That seems a long time for an XS, but you are probably making a lot of
mods, which can be a real time killer. I didn't count the hours, as that
seemed a pointless exercise, but it took me 2 yrs and 9 months. During that
time I also had a bad case of epoxy allergy for 6 months, and I had to work
for a living. I farmed out the instrument module to a so called
'professional up in Yorkshire (England), but then spent many hours
correcting about 7 wiring faults. I also had he seat cushion covers done by
someone else. I had no prior experience and always worked on my own (except
when bonding in the cockpit module). I made anumber of minor mods, but
nothing like what many of you guys in the States are doing to your Europas.
It then took another 18 or so months before first flight, but that delay was
not due to any build reasons, but waiting for the winter to pass, waiting
for an inspector, waiting for a test pilot, moving countries etc. etc..
Karl, XS Trigear 392 C-FIRS
>
>This brings a question to mind. I know one of the shortest builds was 18
>months from a pair of gentlemen just south of me (Terry & Dave) and now we
>know
>what has been the longest, 11 years for you. But I wonder if anyone has an
>average time to build? Not only in calendar time but build log. I've been
>at it
>alone for 967 hours over 2 1/2 years. And just got the top on.
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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