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1. 12:30 AM - Re: A question of Victory (to Nev) (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
2. 12:42 AM - Annual Plea Redux (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
3. 01:42 AM - Re: Build time (Jeremy Davey)
4. 07:45 AM - exhuast springs (steve v.)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: exhuast springs (Cliff Shaw)
6. 08:18 AM - Exhaust springs (Peter Field)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: exhaust springs (Gerry Holland)
8. 09:59 AM - Re: exhuast springs (Terry Seaver (terrys))
9. 10:06 AM - Re: exhuast springs (N55XS)
10. 10:18 AM - Re: Paint Scheme (N55XS)
11. 12:29 PM - Re: Paint Scheme ()
12. 12:45 PM - DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head (Duncan McFadyean)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head (Bryan Allsop)
14. 03:50 PM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head (Duncan McFadyean)
15. 03:57 PM - Re: exhuast springs (steve v.)
16. 04:17 PM - Baggage Bay (Marty Mason)
17. 09:48 PM - Re: Baggage Bay (DuaneFamly@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: A question of Victory (to Nev) |
05/31/2005 03:29:33 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/31/2005 03:29:33 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hey Nev!
I admit, the recent victory was a small one.
I can't see that banning KW from the PFA would bother him very much.
He would just turn to rooking another group of innocents.
Is there not a barrister among the legion of Europa Builders?
By definition ( ;-) ) anyone building an aircraft has an excess of free
time!
Is there no reasonable case to be made for a civil action against KW,
perhaps a class action for fraud?
Ira N224XS
muffler found to be cracked in several places around the two aft inlet
mounts!
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| Subject: | Annual Plea Redux |
05/31/2005 03:41:53 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/31/2005 03:41:53 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All!
Guten Tag from Wien!
There seems to be a misunderstanding about my prior message regarding
E-Mail.
I was referring specifically to the use of quoted prior messages. Nothing
to do with "Archive"
As an example in the 05/28/2005 Digest, William Mills sends a TWO Line
message followed
by about ONE HUNDRED Lines of THREE Levels of Prior Quoted messages.
Therefore the Signal to Noise ratio is 20Log10(2/102).
Please do not tack one endless quotes of prior junk. People who are
following your thread will
already know the prior info.
If it is essential to refer to some prior text, please do not be lazy,
please cut out the mass
of extraneous junk to reveal only the key point. Learn to use your E-Mail
software and be
friendly to everyone else.
Thank you again for your indulgence!!
Ira
N224XS Down for Annual Inspection after about 130 hrs
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
I guess I'm slow then... :-( 1400hrs in, top going on in the next 20 hours
or so... But I have been modding hard!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1400 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build time
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
That seems a long time for an XS, but you are probably making a lot of
mods, which can be a real time killer. I didn't count the hours, as that
seemed a pointless exercise, but it took me 2 yrs and 9 months. During that
time I also had a bad case of epoxy allergy for 6 months, and I had to work
for a living. I farmed out the instrument module to a so called
'professional up in Yorkshire (England), but then spent many hours
correcting about 7 wiring faults. I also had he seat cushion covers done by
someone else. I had no prior experience and always worked on my own (except
when bonding in the cockpit module). I made anumber of minor mods, but
nothing like what many of you guys in the States are doing to your Europas.
It then took another 18 or so months before first flight, but that delay was
not due to any build reasons, but waiting for the winter to pass, waiting
for an inspector, waiting for a test pilot, moving countries etc. etc..
Karl, XS Trigear 392 C-FIRS
>
>This brings a question to mind. I know one of the shortest builds was 18
>months from a pair of gentlemen just south of me (Terry & Dave) and now we
>know
>what has been the longest, 11 years for you. But I wonder if anyone has an
>average time to build? Not only in calendar time but build log. I've been
>at it
>alone for 967 hours over 2 1/2 years. And just got the top on.
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi all , ive got the usual rotax 912S with the standard supplied stainless exhaust
, trouble is i can only get 3 out of the 8 springs to fit . ive welded up
a spring puller and even using that tool with the springs fully compressed they
are about 1/4" ( 5mm ) too short to reach over the tangs. europa refered me
to the manufacturer - they tell me that the springs should be fitted with the
pipe off the cylinder head , and then lever the pipe in to place - it sounds like
a potch . has any one any light to throw on this as leavering a pipe with
2 springs on it against alloy sounds like a nice set of gouge marks at the end
.
cheers , steve # 573
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| Subject: | Re: exhuast springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
I had that problem too. I finely decided to fix the problem once and for
all. I cut off the upper end of the spring attachment hooks on the header
pipes. (simple) They were too long in the first place.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
> hi all , ive got the usual rotax 912S with the standard supplied stainless
> exhaust , trouble is i can only get 3 out of the 8 springs to fit .
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <Peter.Field@hgfield.co.uk>
We too had a lot of fun with the exhaust springs and encountered very
similar problems. We made up a tool for pulling the springs and we found
that even fully compressed they would not hook onto the tangs.
We decided to make up a new inner for one of the springs (making it that
much longer) and fitted it on. As if by magic the other springs started
to fit one by one until we we had them all fitting. We then replaced the
original inner and that fitted as well. I think it is all to do with the
position of the exhaust tubes bedding properly into the exhaust box.
Persevere and I think you will eventually get them to fit.
I remember my co builder presenting me with the problem and at the time
it appeared insurmountable - as with many things Europa it worked out
okay in the end!!
Peter Field
Kit 566 - trying a bit of filling (deep joy)
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Steve Hi!>
> Has any one any light to throw on this as levering a
> pipe with 2 springs on it against alloy sounds like a nice set of gouge marks
> at the end .
It's no problem at all. No gouging.... Just place pipe so springs can be
attached and then move to approximate position for mating! Great word!
Regards
Gerry
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Steve,
Here are a few things that may help:
1) We install the springs with the muffler and header pipes in place,
but with the header pipes loose enough to move the muffler back and
forth, left to right side. Moving the muffler to one side reduces the
distance the spring keepers need to compress the spring.
2) Use a length of safety wire looped around the top spring keeper.
Attach the bottom keeper to the muffler, then pull up on the safety wire
with safety wire pliers to get the top spring keeper over the header
pipe spring retainer.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v.
Subject: Europa-List: exhuast springs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi all , ive got the usual rotax 912S with the standard supplied
stainless exhaust , trouble is i can only get 3 out of the 8 springs to
fit . ive welded up a spring puller and even using that tool with the
springs fully compressed they are about 1/4" ( 5mm ) too short to reach
over the tangs. europa refered me to the manufacturer - they tell me
that the springs should be fitted with the pipe off the cylinder head ,
and then lever the pipe in to place - it sounds like a potch . has any
one any light to throw on this as leavering a pipe with 2 springs on it
against alloy sounds like a nice set of gouge marks at the end .
cheers , steve # 573
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| Subject: | Re: exhuast springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
steve v. wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
>
>hi all , ive got the usual rotax 912S with the standard supplied stainless exhaust
, trouble is i can only get 3 out of the 8 springs to fit . ive welded up
a spring puller and even using that tool with the springs fully compressed they
are about 1/4" ( 5mm ) too short to reach over the tangs. europa refered me
to the manufacturer - they tell me that the springs should be fitted with the
pipe off the cylinder head , and then lever the pipe in to place - it sounds
like a potch . has any one any light to throw on this as leavering a pipe with
2 springs on it against alloy sounds like a nice set of gouge marks at the end
.
>
> cheers , steve # 573
>
>
>
>
Steve,
What worked for me was to insert the springs, before pulling the tubes
into the sockets. Obviously, this must be done before mounting the
exhaust, but it was really pretty simple. Good luck...
Jeff - A055
Prop should be on it's way in a day or two...
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Scheme |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Steve Crimm wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
>Does anyone have the URL for the software program that helps you design your
>paint scheme?
>
>Steve
>
>
Designed mine using a scanner and drawing program. Corel Draw would be
fine, though I used my sign making software. Simply scan the tech
drawings from the front of the manual and use the scanned picture as a
template to draw on top of. If doing some wild graphics, the vector
artwork is actually usable by a vinyl cutter, who could reproduce the
graphics for you. Good luck...
Jeff - A055
Almost done...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Steve
I think the paint scheme designer program is likely:
http://www.schemedesigners.com/
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Paint Scheme
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Steve Crimm wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
>--> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
>Does anyone have the URL for the software program that helps you design
>your paint scheme?
>
>Steve
>
>
Designed mine using a scanner and drawing program. Corel Draw would be
fine, though I used my sign making software. Simply scan the tech
drawings from the front of the manual and use the scanned picture as a
template to draw on top of. If doing some wild graphics, the vector
artwork is actually usable by a vinyl cutter, who could reproduce the
graphics for you. Good luck...
Jeff - A055
Almost done...
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| Subject: | DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Anyone up for the Devon Strut fly-in at Bolt Head (near Salcombe) this
Sunday? It's probably one of the better places to be in the UK weather-wise
on that day.
Details at:
http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/airfields/bolthead.htm
This is in the top three of the best of hte Devon Strut events.
Options on arrival:
1. Stand around and yak about 'aircraft' to people that will actually listen
to you!
2. Go for a cliff top walk, or longer.
3. Best option: Walk down in to Salcombe, lots to see and do (yachting
activity, fish restaurants, Devon ice cream), take water taxi one-way down
the Sound to Whitesands, walk back up to hte cliff tops via the National
Trust tropical gardens (worth a detour), back to airfield, optional yak
about airplanes, home for tea.
Duncan McF.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Might just try for that if SWMBO allows it.
Bryan
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Anyone up for the Devon Strut fly-in at Bolt Head (near Salcombe) this
> Sunday? It's probably one of the better places to be in the UK
> weather-wise
> on that day.
> Details at:
> http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/airfields/bolthead.htm
> This is in the top three of the best of hte Devon Strut events.
>
> Options on arrival:
> 1. Stand around and yak about 'aircraft' to people that will actually
> listen
> to you!
>
> 2. Go for a cliff top walk, or longer.
>
> 3. Best option: Walk down in to Salcombe, lots to see and do (yachting
> activity, fish restaurants, Devon ice cream), take water taxi one-way down
> the Sound to Whitesands, walk back up to hte cliff tops via the National
> Trust tropical gardens (worth a detour), back to airfield, optional yak
> about airplanes, home for tea.
>
> Duncan McF.
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Why not take her? There's much else for aerophobes.
DMcF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH SUNDAY 5th June: Bolt Head
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Might just try for that if SWMBO allows it.
>
> Bryan
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: exhuast springs |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
a big thanks for all the tips - not just me then ! , ive now put the angle grinder
away ! i will tackle it again next time the lower cowling is off ,
steve # 573
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Marty Mason <captainmarty@bellsouth.net>
Can someone direct me to the manual section that describes the installation of
the baggage bay bulkhead. I can't seem to find it anywhere. What am I missing?
Thanks
Marty Mason
Kit A291 XS Mono 914 Airmaster C/S
Working on Canoe - Rudder done - Tailplane Next
Norcross, GA USA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In my book it's page 28-13.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Top On! Now going forward by working in the aft portion of the fuselage.
I am so glad I built that shelf behind the BB bulkhead.
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