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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Batteries-Cold Starts (David Joyce)
2. 04:57 AM - Voltage Regulator Failure (David Joyce)
3. 04:59 AM - AW: Tailwheel Mod Adjustments (Europa (Alfred Buess))
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs (Paul McAllister)
5. 10:40 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 (Graham Singleton)
6. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 11:22 AM - ATP UltraBat-13 (Ronald J. Parigoris)
8. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs (KARL HEINDL)
9. 12:20 PM - My visit to the U.K. ()
10. 02:50 PM - Voltage Regulator Problem? (MJKTuck@cs.com)
11. 03:24 PM - Re: Batteries-Cold Starts (John & Paddy Wigney)
12. 03:26 PM - He who shall not be named appears again... (GTPowell)
13. 05:56 PM - Re: N166BB For Sale (Richard Sementilli)
14. 08:00 PM - For Sale (Robert Berube)
15. 08:03 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Failure (D Wysong)
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Subject: | Re: Batteries-Cold Starts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Kevin, My Odyssey 680 has been giving brilliant, first time start service in
my 914 Europa for nearly 4 yrs. David Joyce
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From: "Kevin And Ann Klinefelter" <kevann@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Batteries-Cold Starts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
<kevann@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Tim,
> I have been hearing positive comments about the Odyssey PC680 battery. I
> got one from: _www.batterymart.com_ for my yet to fly 914 mono xs.
> We have a subaru legacy wagon that needed a new battery, so I installed
> the PC680. It is performing well in the subaru. I plan to put a fresh
> battery in the Europa every two years because it is electricaly
> dependant. I 'll put the used one in the subaru and maybe my toyota truck.
>
> Kevin Klinefelter
> N211KA
> color sanding my amature paint job
> entire electrical system yet to go
>
> Tim Ward wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> >
> >Hi Europaeans,
> >Thinking of installing a Concorde RG battery for my Rotax 912S due to the
cold weather starts, downunder. Can anybody recommend what species of RG
batteries has worked well for them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Voltage Regulator Failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Just back from a great Europa Baltics trip, splendidly organised by Bob
Harrison & Ivor Phillips, and accompanied by challenging weather, and a
problem of intermittent charge, developing on the last leg home. The ammeter
would show a discharge related to however many items I had switched on, for
anything up to 40 mins and then have a spell of rapid recharging, gradually
coming back to zero, suggesting a fully recharged battery. Incidentally the
40 min bit coincided with the Channel crossing , which with a 914 made us
sit up and take notice!
I remember reading accounts of failing regulators previously but
paid less attention than I should have done! Is this intermittent failure
to charge the sort of symptom to be expected?
Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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Subject: | Tailwheel Mod Adjustments |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
Mike,
The amount of deflection depends on the distance between the CS29
pushrod attachment fitting (hole for the bolt) and the hinge line of the
rudder. If you have a deflection of less than 30 degrees this distance
is too long. If you cannot reposition CS29, you can also reduce the
diameter of the two stop bolts (thinner bolt sleeves or or no sleeves).
Regards,
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Juni 2005 18:53
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Tailwheel Mod Adjustments
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I've just temporarily attached the rudder and installed the pushrod to
the
Singleton Tailwheel Mod. At maximum deflection, I can only get the
rudder to
achieve about 28 degrees to either side of center. I've looked through
the
Forum archive but have drawn a blank about further adjustments to get
the called
for 30 degrees +2/-0. Should I adjust the rudder cables from the foot
pedals
to increase travel? Before doing this I wanted to ask those that have
already
accomplished this.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Installing the rudder, re enforcing the door sills,
still mulling over the trim motor installation,
and working on hanging the instrument module.
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Karl,
I am intrigued with the idea of fuel injecting my 914 as it potentially
offers the advantages improved fuel economy from correct timing, better fuel
atomization and correct metering of the fuel into each cylinder. I would
expect that the engine should run smoother as I would have less carburetor
balancing issues and the timing would be correct for all RPM & power
combinations.
BUT.....
- As near as I can tell there are no flying examples.
- I suspect that it is a small 2 man part time operation.
- The system does not have knock sensors (yet)
- It uses oxygen sensors that potentially will not co exist with leaded
fuel.
With all that said, if the guy can get it all sorted out then the potential
upside is worthwhile. This is what we all wish Rotax had done with the
engine in the first place, and RotaxKing have a large potential market.
I am going to watch this development over the course of the year and if it
looks like it makes sense then it will become my winter time project.
Paul
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
I've just temporarily attached the rudder and installed the pushrod to the
Singleton Tailwheel Mod. At maximum deflection, I can only get the rudder to
achieve about 28 degrees to either side of center. I've looked through the
Forum archive but have drawn a blank about further adjustments to get the called
for 30 degrees +2/-0. Should I adjust the rudder cables from the foot pedals
to increase travel? Before doing this I wanted to ask those that have already
accomplished this.
Mike Duane A207
Mike
have you adjusted the tips of the tail wheel horn to allow more deflection? You
need to file a little off to let the tailwheel turn some more
Graham
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Graham,
I noticed the limiting being done by the tailwheel horn, so I temporarily
removed it to check "full" deflection. I figure to exceed the called for
deflection and then use the filing of the tailwheel horn bring it in to spec.
But
I'm still working on the "full" deflection so far.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Installing the rudder, re enforcing the door sills,
still mulling over the trim motor installation,
and working on hanging the instrument module.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Is anyone flying with a ATP Ultrabat-13?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/atphighpwr.php
http://www.recreationalmobility.com/cgi-bin/recreation/27923.html
thx.
Ron Parigoris
N4211W
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Paul,
I shouldn't have involved myself, as I don't have a clue about fuel
injections. Your BUTs are the relevant concerns. My common sense tells me
that all these claims, including all these car engine and diesel
alternatives should be treated with extreme caution. Something may be proven
to work on a test stand, but will it work under all flying conditions, and
for hundreds of hours without fail ? And will the Company producing it still
be around in ten year's time ?
Why do Companies like Bosch spend tens of millions developing injection
systems, and they are just for cars, when a couple of bright engineers can
do it in their workshop ?
RELIABILITY is more important than anything else. The 914 is already
complicated enough for an aircraft engine.
Karl do not archive
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Injected Rotaxs
>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:14:33 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Karl,
>
>I am intrigued with the idea of fuel injecting my 914 as it potentially
>offers the advantages improved fuel economy from correct timing, better
>fuel
>atomization and correct metering of the fuel into each cylinder. I would
>expect that the engine should run smoother as I would have less carburetor
>balancing issues and the timing would be correct for all RPM & power
>combinations.
>
>BUT.....
>
>- As near as I can tell there are no flying examples.
>- I suspect that it is a small 2 man part time operation.
>- The system does not have knock sensors (yet)
>- It uses oxygen sensors that potentially will not co exist with leaded
>fuel.
>
>With all that said, if the guy can get it all sorted out then the potential
>upside is worthwhile. This is what we all wish Rotax had done with the
>engine in the first place, and RotaxKing have a large potential market.
>
>I am going to watch this development over the course of the year and if it
>looks like it makes sense then it will become my winter time project.
>
>Paul
>
>
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Subject: | My visit to the U.K. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <clevelee@earthlink.net>
You Gents certainly know how to make a fellow feel welcome!
Hope any or all of it works out. Look forward to meeting 'you's all'
(corrupting he English language from a page from the southern portion of the
colonies)
I travel with my Passport all the time. No Problem. . .and my notebook so
that I can be brought up to speed on the latest.
Thank you gentlemen, for any part of the day that may work out.
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS
Detroit, MI
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Subject: | Voltage Regulator Problem? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
Hi Folks,
The last two or three times I have gone flying I have experienced a problem
with the 5A ALT FIELD circuit breaker popping. The solution at first seemed
easy just push it back in and all is well. It occurs usually at start up soon
after I turn on the radio panel circuit.
A couple of flights ago it popped a couple more times in the cruise and I
reset it with no further problems.
Yesterday however it popped quite a number of times (5 or 6) and only settled
down after I had turned the radio master off and back on again. I don't see
how turning the radios off would affect the ALT circuit breaker except I
suppose they use the most load.
Looking at the circuit the breaker is located between output C on the voltage
regulator and the main power bus (and thus the battery positive). Very
simple.
The only thing I can think of is that the voltage regulator is spiking at
more than 5 amps until it 'warms up' or reaches some kind of battery charged
point after the battery has been used after start (although the engine typically
fires after just a few turns).
Any ideas and/or solutions as to what the problem might be would be
appreciated. I would like to trouble shoot before replacing the regulator but do
not
want to remove the panel unless I really have to.
P.S I usually turn on (both) the split master/alt switch - perhaps I should
only turn on the alternator after engine start? I have close to 200 hours
flying time on the aircraft so again this is a doubtful cause.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Batteries-Cold Starts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Tim,
FWIW, I have had very good experience with the Odyssey PC545 sealed
battery which was supplied by the original Florida Europa sales office.
Despite weighing only 11 lbs, it has always cranked and fired my 912S
with the standard starter within a few blades. The factory claim good
performance down to -20 degC and it has never given me trouble on cold
mornings (5 degC say). see
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc545.htm
The battery is primarily sold for motorcycle use and should be purchased
as the PC545 without the MJ (metal jacket) option which adds weight and
is unnecessary. Odyssey also sell a battery specifically for certified
use on Piper Super Cubs but this is larger and heavier.
Cheers, John
Mono XS, 912S, N262WF
Mooresville, North Carolina
Time: 04:44:37 AM PST US
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Europa-List: Batteries-Cold Starts
Hi Europaeans,
Thinking of installing a Concorde RG battery for my Rotax 912S due to the cold
weather starts, downunder. Can anybody recommend what species of RG batteries
has worked well for them? Can not install the more powerful starter due to being
a Monowheel classic. Cheers, Tim
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Subject: | He who shall not be named appears again... |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "GTPowell" <georgepowell@hotmail.com>
The July 2005 Kitplanes magazine has a cover story on the comparison between the
Europa and the Liberty XL certified aircraft. Who do you suppose supplied the
photos for the cover and the inside pages?
How does this guy keep making a living in the aviation industry?
I followed the recent thread where members of the PFA started an email campaign
to make sure that he doesn't continue to profit from his involvement with Europa.
Perhaps a similar email campaign to Kitplanes will stop them from publishing
his work in the future. The Editor-In-Chief is Marc Cook and his email address
is:
editorial@kitplanes.com
I personally will express my displeasure to him, and I encourage anyone else to
do so as well.
George Powell
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
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Subject: | Re: N166BB For Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Sementilli <rsementi@gmail.com>
Bob - what his asking price for theEuropa?
On 6/11/05, Robert Berube <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Europa Group,
>
>
> Some of you may recall about a year ago I listed my Europa Conventional
> Taildragger for sale and did sell it but it was not delivered and remained
> in my hangar flown periodically. This week the owner came to fly it home
> but the weather was not cooperating. As we pondered the situation, he
> became more and more enamored by the RV series aircraft that we have at our
> shop along with the multitude of Europa's. To make a long story short, he
> has elected to have us assist him in building an RV-10 and listing the
> Europa for sale. Anyone interested, can contact me off list for details and
> photos.
>
>
> Photos will be on the Flight Crafters web site soon.
>
>
> Bob Berube N166BB Conventional Taildragger
>
> Flight Crafters
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Sorry folks, I failed to give the web site address where a photo of interior
and exterior of N166BB can be seen. Our web site is www.flightcrafters.com
<http://www.flightcrafters.com/> Additional photos and information can be
obtained by e-mailing me offline.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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Subject: | Re: Voltage Regulator Failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Hello David -
I posted your issue on the Aeroelectric list to see what they'd say
about it. The Rotax 914 regulator/rectifier has been discussed over
there before, although I have yet to see much in the way of failure
modes. The only recommendations I've seen are "keep it cool" and
"don't load it over 12 Amps." Anyhow, here are Bob Nuckolls'
comments:
"The charging system could become intermittent either because
of some condition inside the regulator/rectifier -OR- wiring
external to the regulator that carries output power or control
signals to the regulator.
Sounds like it's consistent enough to instrument and go catch
the problem during a test flight. I'd look at AC voltage into
the regulator, DC voltage out of the regulator, control voltage(s)
to the regulator and bus voltage in addition to what appears
to be the battery ammeter.
Observations taken on these readings during a 'brown out' will
be important clues as to how one would proceed.
Bob . . ."
As a potential 914 user and someone that has been looking for a
suitable replacement for the Ducati regulator/rectifier I'd certainly
be interested in your findings.
Happy hunting!
D Wysong
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On 6/12/05, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Just back from a great Europa Baltics trip, splendidly organised by Bob
> Harrison & Ivor Phillips, and accompanied by challenging weather, and a
> problem of intermittent charge, developing on the last leg home. The ammeter
> would show a discharge related to however many items I had switched on, for
> anything up to 40 mins and then have a spell of rapid recharging, gradually
> coming back to zero, suggesting a fully recharged battery. Incidentally the
> 40 min bit coincided with the Channel crossing , which with a 914 made us
> sit up and take notice!
> I remember reading accounts of failing regulators previously but
> paid less attention than I should have done! Is this intermittent failure
> to charge the sort of symptom to be expected?
> Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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