Europa-List Digest Archive

Sun 06/12/05


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 04:44 AM - Re: Batteries-Cold Starts (David Joyce)
     2. 04:57 AM - Voltage Regulator Failure (David Joyce)
     3. 04:59 AM - AW: Tailwheel Mod Adjustments (Europa (Alfred Buess))
     4. 08:16 AM - Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs (Paul McAllister)
     5. 10:40 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 (Graham Singleton)
     6. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
     7. 11:22 AM - ATP UltraBat-13 (Ronald J. Parigoris)
     8. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs (KARL HEINDL)
     9. 12:20 PM - My visit to the U.K. ()
    10. 02:50 PM - Voltage Regulator Problem? (MJKTuck@cs.com)
    11. 03:24 PM - Re: Batteries-Cold Starts (John & Paddy Wigney)
    12. 03:26 PM - He who shall not be named appears again... (GTPowell)
    13. 05:56 PM - Re: N166BB For Sale (Richard Sementilli)
    14. 08:00 PM - For Sale (Robert Berube)
    15. 08:03 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Failure (D Wysong)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:44:49 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Batteries-Cold Starts
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Kevin, My Odyssey 680 has been giving brilliant, first time start service in my 914 Europa for nearly 4 yrs. David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin And Ann Klinefelter" <kevann@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Batteries-Cold Starts > --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net> > > Hi Tim, > I have been hearing positive comments about the Odyssey PC680 battery. I > got one from: _www.batterymart.com_ for my yet to fly 914 mono xs. > We have a subaru legacy wagon that needed a new battery, so I installed > the PC680. It is performing well in the subaru. I plan to put a fresh > battery in the Europa every two years because it is electricaly > dependant. I 'll put the used one in the subaru and maybe my toyota truck. > > Kevin Klinefelter > N211KA > color sanding my amature paint job > entire electrical system yet to go > > Tim Ward wrote: > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> > > > >Hi Europaeans, > >Thinking of installing a Concorde RG battery for my Rotax 912S due to the cold weather starts, downunder. Can anybody recommend what species of RG batteries has worked well for them? > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail is protected from spam and viruses > > Doctors.net.uk - the network of 114,000 UK doctors > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:57:02 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Voltage Regulator Failure
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Just back from a great Europa Baltics trip, splendidly organised by Bob Harrison & Ivor Phillips, and accompanied by challenging weather, and a problem of intermittent charge, developing on the last leg home. The ammeter would show a discharge related to however many items I had switched on, for anything up to 40 mins and then have a spell of rapid recharging, gradually coming back to zero, suggesting a fully recharged battery. Incidentally the 40 min bit coincided with the Channel crossing , which with a 914 made us sit up and take notice! I remember reading accounts of failing regulators previously but paid less attention than I should have done! Is this intermittent failure to charge the sort of symptom to be expected? Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:59:38 AM PST US
    From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
    Subject: Tailwheel Mod Adjustments
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch> Mike, The amount of deflection depends on the distance between the CS29 pushrod attachment fitting (hole for the bolt) and the hinge line of the rudder. If you have a deflection of less than 30 degrees this distance is too long. If you cannot reposition CS29, you can also reduce the diameter of the two stop bolts (thinner bolt sleeves or or no sleeves). Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von DuaneFamly@aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Juni 2005 18:53 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Tailwheel Mod Adjustments --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Good day All, I've just temporarily attached the rudder and installed the pushrod to the Singleton Tailwheel Mod. At maximum deflection, I can only get the rudder to achieve about 28 degrees to either side of center. I've looked through the Forum archive but have drawn a blank about further adjustments to get the called for 30 degrees +2/-0. Should I adjust the rudder cables from the foot pedals to increase travel? Before doing this I wanted to ask those that have already accomplished this. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Installing the rudder, re enforcing the door sills, still mulling over the trim motor installation, and working on hanging the instrument module.


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:16:14 AM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Karl, I am intrigued with the idea of fuel injecting my 914 as it potentially offers the advantages improved fuel economy from correct timing, better fuel atomization and correct metering of the fuel into each cylinder. I would expect that the engine should run smoother as I would have less carburetor balancing issues and the timing would be correct for all RPM & power combinations. BUT..... - As near as I can tell there are no flying examples. - I suspect that it is a small 2 man part time operation. - The system does not have knock sensors (yet) - It uses oxygen sensors that potentially will not co exist with leaded fuel. With all that said, if the guy can get it all sorted out then the potential upside is worthwhile. This is what we all wish Rotax had done with the engine in the first place, and RotaxKing have a large potential market. I am going to watch this development over the course of the year and if it looks like it makes sense then it will become my winter time project. Paul


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:40:08 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> I've just temporarily attached the rudder and installed the pushrod to the Singleton Tailwheel Mod. At maximum deflection, I can only get the rudder to achieve about 28 degrees to either side of center. I've looked through the Forum archive but have drawn a blank about further adjustments to get the called for 30 degrees +2/-0. Should I adjust the rudder cables from the foot pedals to increase travel? Before doing this I wanted to ask those that have already accomplished this. Mike Duane A207 Mike have you adjusted the tips of the tail wheel horn to allow more deflection? You need to file a little off to let the tailwheel turn some more Graham


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:13:52 AM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/11/05
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Graham, I noticed the limiting being done by the tailwheel horn, so I temporarily removed it to check "full" deflection. I figure to exceed the called for deflection and then use the filing of the tailwheel horn bring it in to spec. But I'm still working on the "full" deflection so far. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Installing the rudder, re enforcing the door sills, still mulling over the trim motor installation, and working on hanging the instrument module.


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:22:03 AM PST US
    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: ATP UltraBat-13
    0.01 URI_REDIRECTOR Message has HTTP redirector URI --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Is anyone flying with a ATP Ultrabat-13? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/atphighpwr.php http://www.recreationalmobility.com/cgi-bin/recreation/27923.html thx. Ron Parigoris N4211W


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:48:28 AM PST US
    From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Injected Rotaxs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com> Paul, I shouldn't have involved myself, as I don't have a clue about fuel injections. Your BUTs are the relevant concerns. My common sense tells me that all these claims, including all these car engine and diesel alternatives should be treated with extreme caution. Something may be proven to work on a test stand, but will it work under all flying conditions, and for hundreds of hours without fail ? And will the Company producing it still be around in ten year's time ? Why do Companies like Bosch spend tens of millions developing injection systems, and they are just for cars, when a couple of bright engineers can do it in their workshop ? RELIABILITY is more important than anything else. The 914 is already complicated enough for an aircraft engine. Karl do not archive >From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: <europa-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Injected Rotaxs >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:14:33 -0500 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" ><paul.mcallister@qia.net> > >Karl, > >I am intrigued with the idea of fuel injecting my 914 as it potentially >offers the advantages improved fuel economy from correct timing, better >fuel >atomization and correct metering of the fuel into each cylinder. I would >expect that the engine should run smoother as I would have less carburetor >balancing issues and the timing would be correct for all RPM & power >combinations. > >BUT..... > >- As near as I can tell there are no flying examples. >- I suspect that it is a small 2 man part time operation. >- The system does not have knock sensors (yet) >- It uses oxygen sensors that potentially will not co exist with leaded >fuel. > >With all that said, if the guy can get it all sorted out then the potential >upside is worthwhile. This is what we all wish Rotax had done with the >engine in the first place, and RotaxKing have a large potential market. > >I am going to watch this development over the course of the year and if it >looks like it makes sense then it will become my winter time project. > >Paul > >


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:20:57 PM PST US
    From: <clevelee@earthlink.net>
    Subject: My visit to the U.K.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <clevelee@earthlink.net> You Gents certainly know how to make a fellow feel welcome! Hope any or all of it works out. Look forward to meeting 'you's all' (corrupting he English language from a page from the southern portion of the colonies) I travel with my Passport all the time. No Problem. . .and my notebook so that I can be brought up to speed on the latest. Thank you gentlemen, for any part of the day that may work out. Cleve Lee A198 Mono XS Detroit, MI


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:50:53 PM PST US
    From: MJKTuck@cs.com
    Subject: Voltage Regulator Problem?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, The last two or three times I have gone flying I have experienced a problem with the 5A ALT FIELD circuit breaker popping. The solution at first seemed easy just push it back in and all is well. It occurs usually at start up soon after I turn on the radio panel circuit. A couple of flights ago it popped a couple more times in the cruise and I reset it with no further problems. Yesterday however it popped quite a number of times (5 or 6) and only settled down after I had turned the radio master off and back on again. I don't see how turning the radios off would affect the ALT circuit breaker except I suppose they use the most load. Looking at the circuit the breaker is located between output C on the voltage regulator and the main power bus (and thus the battery positive). Very simple. The only thing I can think of is that the voltage regulator is spiking at more than 5 amps until it 'warms up' or reaches some kind of battery charged point after the battery has been used after start (although the engine typically fires after just a few turns). Any ideas and/or solutions as to what the problem might be would be appreciated. I would like to trouble shoot before replacing the regulator but do not want to remove the panel unless I really have to. P.S I usually turn on (both) the split master/alt switch - perhaps I should only turn on the alternator after engine start? I have close to 200 hours flying time on the aircraft so again this is a doubtful cause. Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:24:28 PM PST US
    From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re: Batteries-Cold Starts
    --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net> Hi Tim, FWIW, I have had very good experience with the Odyssey PC545 sealed battery which was supplied by the original Florida Europa sales office. Despite weighing only 11 lbs, it has always cranked and fired my 912S with the standard starter within a few blades. The factory claim good performance down to -20 degC and it has never given me trouble on cold mornings (5 degC say). see http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc545.htm The battery is primarily sold for motorcycle use and should be purchased as the PC545 without the MJ (metal jacket) option which adds weight and is unnecessary. Odyssey also sell a battery specifically for certified use on Piper Super Cubs but this is larger and heavier. Cheers, John Mono XS, 912S, N262WF Mooresville, North Carolina Time: 04:44:37 AM PST US From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Europa-List: Batteries-Cold Starts Hi Europaeans, Thinking of installing a Concorde RG battery for my Rotax 912S due to the cold weather starts, downunder. Can anybody recommend what species of RG batteries has worked well for them? Can not install the more powerful starter due to being a Monowheel classic. Cheers, Tim


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:26:04 PM PST US
    Subject: He who shall not be named appears again...
    From: "GTPowell" <georgepowell@hotmail.com>
    1.64 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty 0.10 TO_EMPTY To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "GTPowell" <georgepowell@hotmail.com> The July 2005 Kitplanes magazine has a cover story on the comparison between the Europa and the Liberty XL certified aircraft. Who do you suppose supplied the photos for the cover and the inside pages? How does this guy keep making a living in the aviation industry? I followed the recent thread where members of the PFA started an email campaign to make sure that he doesn't continue to profit from his involvement with Europa. Perhaps a similar email campaign to Kitplanes will stop them from publishing his work in the future. The Editor-In-Chief is Marc Cook and his email address is: editorial@kitplanes.com I personally will express my displeasure to him, and I encourage anyone else to do so as well. George Powell ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:56:34 PM PST US
    From: Richard Sementilli <rsementi@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N166BB For Sale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Sementilli <rsementi@gmail.com> Bob - what his asking price for theEuropa? On 6/11/05, Robert Berube <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> > > Europa Group, > > > Some of you may recall about a year ago I listed my Europa Conventional > Taildragger for sale and did sell it but it was not delivered and remained > in my hangar flown periodically. This week the owner came to fly it home > but the weather was not cooperating. As we pondered the situation, he > became more and more enamored by the RV series aircraft that we have at our > shop along with the multitude of Europa's. To make a long story short, he > has elected to have us assist him in building an RV-10 and listing the > Europa for sale. Anyone interested, can contact me off list for details and > photos. > > > Photos will be on the Flight Crafters web site soon. > > > Bob Berube N166BB Conventional Taildragger > > Flight Crafters > > > > > > >


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:00:47 PM PST US
    From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: For Sale
    0.00 HTML_NONELEMENT_00_10 BODY: 0% to 10% of HTML elements are non-standard --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> Sorry folks, I failed to give the web site address where a photo of interior and exterior of N166BB can be seen. Our web site is www.flightcrafters.com <http://www.flightcrafters.com/> Additional photos and information can be obtained by e-mailing me offline. Bob Berube Flight Crafters


    Message 15


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:03:25 PM PST US
    From: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Voltage Regulator Failure
    --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com> Hello David - I posted your issue on the Aeroelectric list to see what they'd say about it. The Rotax 914 regulator/rectifier has been discussed over there before, although I have yet to see much in the way of failure modes. The only recommendations I've seen are "keep it cool" and "don't load it over 12 Amps." Anyhow, here are Bob Nuckolls' comments: "The charging system could become intermittent either because of some condition inside the regulator/rectifier -OR- wiring external to the regulator that carries output power or control signals to the regulator. Sounds like it's consistent enough to instrument and go catch the problem during a test flight. I'd look at AC voltage into the regulator, DC voltage out of the regulator, control voltage(s) to the regulator and bus voltage in addition to what appears to be the battery ammeter. Observations taken on these readings during a 'brown out' will be important clues as to how one would proceed. Bob . . ." As a potential 914 user and someone that has been looking for a suitable replacement for the Ducati regulator/rectifier I'd certainly be interested in your findings. Happy hunting! D Wysong ----------------------------------- On 6/12/05, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > Just back from a great Europa Baltics trip, splendidly organised by Bob > Harrison & Ivor Phillips, and accompanied by challenging weather, and a > problem of intermittent charge, developing on the last leg home. The ammeter > would show a discharge related to however many items I had switched on, for > anything up to 40 mins and then have a spell of rapid recharging, gradually > coming back to zero, suggesting a fully recharged battery. Incidentally the > 40 min bit coincided with the Channel crossing , which with a 914 made us > sit up and take notice! > I remember reading accounts of failing regulators previously but > paid less attention than I should have done! Is this intermittent failure > to charge the sort of symptom to be expected? > Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > > > > >




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   europa-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
  • Full Archive Search Engine
  •   http://www.matronics.com/search
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list
  • Browse Europa-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contributions

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --